He wouldn't make money that way, because you always sell items at half price. That rule is in place for a reason.You can more than double WBL through Item Creation Feats if there is downtime and the Wizard plays Merchant, he could craft a Wand for say... 8,000, sell it for 16,000, then craft two of the same wands, for 16,000 then sell those for 32,000, then make 4 wands....
As long as they change the type of wands periodically, to avoid flooding the market, it's easy to abuse the hell out of Item Creation.
That's why I mentioned playing Merchant, not Adventurer. A Merchant can sell things for full price, while an Adventurer can sell for half. Remember, I'm basing this off the assumption the player intends to abuse Item Creation, including selling for full price.
I'm gonna bet on 5 templates and obscure 3.5 material :O
it's either that or custom items.
stack the advanced creature template 5 times and you get +20 to all stats and +10 natural armor. with a +6 stat boosting item to every attribute. you can get 40+ with merely a 14, a 50 AC as a monk unbuffed.
My vote's on permanency spells on spells which really shouldn't be made permanent ;)
WE WANT THE SHEET
WE WANT THE SHEET
WE WANT THE SHEET
WE WANT THE SHEET
please
Oh at the GM here's a sure fire way to get them back on the ground.
Insert critical plot reason to go into a large dungeon, entire bottom dungeon is one massive anti-magic field :P
either that or create traps that rapid fire mage's disjunction spells en masse :)
I am assuming by now that he is not giving the sheet up. He has actually started a new game. That much I know for a fact.
This blows. Here we were all waiting for the shit and giggles such a sheet would provide.
I WANT MY MONEYS BACK!
This blows. Here we were all waiting for the s*** and giggles such a sheet would provide.
I WANT MY MONEYS BACK!
I WANT YOUR MONEYS BACK TOO!
This blows. Here we were all waiting for the s*** and giggles such a sheet would provide.
I WANT MY MONEYS BACK!
I WANT YOUR MONEYS BACK TOO!
I DON'T HAVE ANY! THEY TOOK THEM T3T.
I am assuming by now that he is not giving the sheet up. He has actually started a new game. That much I know for a fact.
You know for a fact? So you know the new game he mentioned has already started, and you've been in private correspondence with this guy?
Please, please, please.... for the love of god tell him to ditch those players ASAP. I don't care if there is not a single other gamer in the entire village he finds himself living in... putting up with that kind of desrespect and asshattery is not worth it.
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I know he started a new game. I am assuming the same players are in it. I was trying not to be too nosy, however.
I am only mentioning the game here, because I did not want you to wait for a response that might not come.
I don't know the details on the first game either, other than what he said here.
Out of respect I will keep the details we did discuss private, but it is not the same issue that was brought up here.
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Wraithstrike, that's why I have so much respect for you. Integrity is hard to come by especially online.
Kudos for helping him out. I hope all goes well.
Bummer, wanted a peek at that build.
You can more than double WBL through Item Creation Feats if there is downtime and the Wizard plays Merchant, he could craft a Wand for say... 8,000, sell it for 16,000, then craft two of the same wands, for 16,000 then sell those for 32,000, then make 4 wands....
As long as they change the type of wands periodically, to avoid flooding the market, it's easy to abuse the hell out of Item Creation.
As pointed out, the DM's answer can be one of two things to this:
1) "You can only sell for half price, as any other equipment. You make zero profit."
2) "Certainly. While you are busy crafting and trading, the rest of the party are going on an adventure. I assume you are stepping out of the rest of this session?"
My vote's on permanency spells on spells which really shouldn't be made permanent ;)
...and don't stack with enhancement items either.
Common Man, we won't judge you we really just wanna see at this point :)
You can more than double WBL through Item Creation Feats if there is downtime and the Wizard plays Merchant, he could craft a Wand for say... 8,000, sell it for 16,000, then craft two of the same wands, for 16,000 then sell those for 32,000, then make 4 wands....
As long as they change the type of wands periodically, to avoid flooding the market, it's easy to abuse the hell out of Item Creation.
PCs sell items at half market price, period.
Things might be over but i still want to see the sheet out of curiosity.
Wow, did no one read my post almost immediately following that one? I know you only sell for half price, but if the caster is intending to abuse Item Creation, it's possible he talked the GM into allowing full price sales as part of 'his profession'.
I agree, Tels. I suspect he probably did, and even if he only allowed ten percent profit on each item, all the player then needed for their PC to break the game was time.
Don't overlook straight out cheating...
Even a simple accountability fix, like "write your memorized spells on this index card" goes a long way to keeping wizards honest.
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Wraith- your not talking for everyone on that thread, Ossian said many times there is no such thing as powergaming in PF because PF has no balance and therefore there cannot be imbalance. read all 500+ postings, guarentee you'll see a lot of that.
Isnt there a feat that causes dammage to a caster if you dispell one of their spells?
Whoa Whoa...Now I am getting tossed into fights in completely different threads using words put in my mouth that I never said. We are going back to what was said NUMEROUS times in the other thread where you should be confined to...links and proof or it didn't happen.
I NEVER said "powergaming" didn't exist...not once. I clearly stated on many occasions that there is a clear and distinct difference between "powergaming" and min/maxing. I also said that I didn't think your other player in your group was "powergaming"...he just made a better character than you.
Wraith- your not talking for everyone on that thread, Ossian said many times there is no such thing as powergaming in PF because PF has no balance and therefore there cannot be imbalance. read all 500+ postings, guarentee you'll see a lot of that.
Isnt there a feat that causes dammage to a caster if you dispell one of their spells?
Whoa Whoa...Now I am getting tossed into fights in completely different threads using words put in my mouth that I never said. We are going back to what was said NUMEROUS times in the other thread where you should be confined to...links and proof or it didn't happen.
I NEVER said "powergaming" didn't exist...not once. I clearly stated on many occasions that there is a clear and distinct difference between "powergaming" and min/maxing. I also said that I didn't think your other player in your group was "powergaming"...he just made a better character than you.
~Taps Ossian666 on the shoulder~
Um... I am fairly sure that you posted in the wrong forum with that.
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Wraith- your not talking for everyone on that thread, Ossian said many times there is no such thing as powergaming in PF because PF has no balance and therefore there cannot be imbalance. read all 500+ postings, guarentee you'll see a lot of that.
Isnt there a feat that causes dammage to a caster if you dispell one of their spells?
Whoa Whoa...Now I am getting tossed into fights in completely different threads using words put in my mouth that I never said. We are going back to what was said NUMEROUS times in the other thread where you should be confined to...links and proof or it didn't happen.
I NEVER said "powergaming" didn't exist...not once. I clearly stated on many occasions that there is a clear and distinct difference between "powergaming" and min/maxing. I also said that I didn't think your other player in your group was "powergaming"...he just made a better character than you.
~Taps Ossian666 on the shoulder~
Um... I am fairly sure that you posted in the wrong forum with that.
No no thats the problem...thats from page one of this thread! I am getting dragged not only through the mud but also into other disputes...I don't like being a source without proper linkage to my quotes!
Wow I had completely forgotten the argument had spilled over here. You've been gone too long. ;)
Ignore Baal... he's clearly trolling at this point, but I agree.... the whole thing started because he felt butthurt that someone made a better character than he did.
Feel like OP is probably trolling...
He wouldn't make money that way, because you always sell items at half price. That rule is in place for a reason.You can more than double WBL through Item Creation Feats if there is downtime and the Wizard plays Merchant, he could craft a Wand for say... 8,000, sell it for 16,000, then craft two of the same wands, for 16,000 then sell those for 32,000, then make 4 wands....
As long as they change the type of wands periodically, to avoid flooding the market, it's easy to abuse the hell out of Item Creation.
there are some traits and feats/abilities that allow items to be crafted cheaper then usually, what means they will get some proper profit from selling things, and I approve of that, otherwise a basic concept like a wandering merchant would be broken
there are some traits and feats/abilities that allow items to be crafted cheaper then usually, what means they will get some proper profit from selling things, and I approve of that, otherwise a basic concept like a wandering merchant would be brokenHe wouldn't make money that way, because you always sell items at half price. That rule is in place for a reason.You can more than double WBL through Item Creation Feats if there is downtime and the Wizard plays Merchant, he could craft a Wand for say... 8,000, sell it for 16,000, then craft two of the same wands, for 16,000 then sell those for 32,000, then make 4 wands....
As long as they change the type of wands periodically, to avoid flooding the market, it's easy to abuse the hell out of Item Creation.
Other than a trait (i don't remember the name now) that cuts 5% what else is there?
I believe only Mercantile, other than that I don't recall even Profession(Merchant) having a real, proper method for trade
...actually such an issue could be dismissed in pnp as a concern, but now that there is a Pathfinder MMO in the works it makes one wonder how crafting, pricing, and trading will work out
I believe trade and crafting should be looked at before the MMO forces to do it
Sheet or it never happened :P
*Animate Thread*
That's right. I went there.
Sheet Please!
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Hmmm assuming a level 20 campaign, lets see if we can do it. Assuming the +CR is the same as +LA in 3.5, and we use 25 point buy, I present to you:
Galadeus, Scourge of the Endless Seas
Advanced Merfolk (CR +1)/Half Dragon (CR +2)/Half Fiend (CR +2)/Half Celestial (CR +2)/Half Janni (CR +2)/Lycanthrope (Human Form) (CR+1)/Fey Creature (CR +1)
Monk 1/Barbarian 1/Alchemist (Mindchemist) 1/Wizard 6
Hit Dice: 6d6, 2d8, 1d12 Total: 9HD
Str: 10
10 Base
+4 Advanced
+8 Half Dragon
+4 Half Fiend
+4 Half Celestial
+2 Half Janni
+5 Tome
+6 Belt
+4 Rage
Total: 47
Dex: 16
16 Base
+4 Advanced
+2 Merfolk
+2 Half Fiend
+2 Half Celestial
+2 Half Janni
+4 Fey Creature
+5 Tome
+6 Belt
-2 Cognatagen
Total: 41
Con: 16
16 Base
+4 Advanced
+2 Merfolk
+6 Half Dragon
+2 Half Fiend
+2 Half Celestial
+5 Tome
+6 Belt
+4 Rage
+1 Level
Total: 48
Int: 10
10 Base
+4 Advanced
+2 Half Dragon
+4 Half Fiend
+4 Half Celestial
+2 Half Janni
+2 Fey Creature
+5 Tome
+6 Headband
+1 Level
Total: 40
Wis: 10
10 Base
+4 Advanced
+4 Half Fiend
+4 Half Celestial
+4 Half Janni
+2 Lycanthrope
+5 Tome
+6 Headband
+4 Cognatagen
Total: 41
Cha: 14
14 Base
+4 Advanced
+2 Merfolk
+2 Half Dragon
+2 Half Fiend
+2 Half Celestial
+4 Half Janni
-2 Lycanthrope
+2 Fey Creature
+5 Tome
+6 Headband
Total: 41
Armor Class
10 Base
+15 Dex
+15 Wisdom
+4 Natural Armor Half Dragon
+1 Natural Armor Half Fiend
+1 Natural Armor Half Celestial
+1 Natural Armor Half Janni
-1 Natural Armor Fey Creature
+2 Natural Armor Advanced
+8 Bracers of Armor
Total: 56
Galadeus, The Scourge of the Endless Seas was created by the greater gods at the time of creation. He was placed on the Material plane before it had been given form. He is the grandfather of every and all races, and to some he is also the bringer of the apocalypse.
Galadeus I believe fits the minimum requirements of the OPs super tough PC (40 All stats, 50+ AC, Mostly Wizard)I didn't spend alot of time working out the math, and I believe you could optimize him a hell of alot more, but, just as a warning to the OP, you shouldn't let your PCS play Galadeus.