So I've noticed that you can cast Invisibility on objects as well, and it can even be made permanent then. What I'm wondering is, what exactly would happen if you made a weapon invisible and attacked with it? Would you get any bonuses or something? Logically, I'd assume so, but I can't find anything about this RAW... or in fact, how invisibility specifically works on objects in any way.
I wouldn't allot bonuses for it as a gm.
most martial arts and weapon training courses teach you to fight the person, not the man, and most wielded weapons have a pretty unique stance that would let you know where the strike is coming from.
unusual weapons like a flail, maybe.
I can't think of a way to grant a bonus for attacking with an invisible weapon. I would impose a -4 to sunder attempts against it since it can't be targeted effectively, but for the attacker, no.
Like Weables was trying to say: you fight the wielder not the weapon. You're watching for movement in the hips and shoulders, not the tip of the blade or cudgel.
Invisible Weapon + Glove of Storing = MURDER
An invisible weapon would likely be nearly as dangerous to its wielder as to their opponent.
An invisible weapon would likely be nearly as dangerous to its wielder as to their opponent.
I assumed things weren't invisible to the person that made them invisible.
How else do spell casters find their components, scrolls, wands etc when they are casting invisibly?
I might grant a bonus to the roll to remain hidden after sniping if the sniper used invisible ammunition.
Sniping
If you've already successfully used Stealth at least 10 feet from your target, you can make one ranged attack and then immediately use Stealth again. You take a –20 penalty on your Stealth check to maintain your obscured location.
Invisible weapons, while not a wise idea from a common-sense standpoint, do have good precedent in pulp; Cf. Zelazny's "The Bells of Shoredan." You might give 'em a minor benefit, like +1d6 damage to sneak attacks made during the surprise round.
the weilder would need see invisiblity to treat is as a normal weapon/item.
Gotta wonder... Since it's 100lbs/level... Raging Hurling Barbarians + Invisible large objects?
An invisible weapon would likely be nearly as dangerous to its wielder as to their opponent.No, you do not use visisual information about your meele weapon when fighting with it, you watch your opponent. You know where the weapon is due to holding it and feeling its weight.
Exception would be in case of lack of training with the weapon, but they are anyway -4.
LOL, right. sure. No visual input needed to keep track of that razor sharp point. None at all.
LOL, right. sure. No visual input needed to keep track of that razor sharp point. None at all.
If your eyes are on your sword instead of the other guy, you're dead meat. If you're trained in using a weapon, you know exactly where it is based on the position of your body and the feel of the weapon in your hands.
There's no reason at all to need to be able to see your own weapon barring drawing it from somewhere other than a normal scabbard strapped to your body.
Kalshane, I am quite sure you BELIEVE this. That doesn't in any way convince me that it's TRUE. There is a reason people talk about seeing things "from the corner of their eye." Your brain can keep track of things unconsciously, but it helps to SEE it first. This is why you can blink without seeing what made you blink. Your brain registers it even if you don't realize it.
Update: Just to point out, I've seen people hit themselves with their own VISIBLE weapons. Even people who have been trained to use them.
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Firing an invisible bow or arrow would be impossible without the spell See Invisible. I think it would be very possible to use a light invisible weapon like a dagger without much difficulty.
Any bonuses to hit or damage, probably not.
Bonus to feint, or sleight of hand to conceal would be acceptable if I were behind the screen.
By RAW, there are no bonuses or penalties. If YOU are invisible, you only get a +2 and ignore their DEX bonus, but nothing noted for an invisible weapon.
I could see using an invisible weapon without penalty with blind-fight. The only mechanical advantage that would be fitting would be to negate some of your opponent's dodge bonus to AC. Maybe 2, but probably only 1.
Crossbows would be nearly impossible since you normally use sights that are on the weapon. Bows might not be. If you trained yourself to use the supporting arm as your reference for aiming, you could probably get the same level of accuracy as with a visible bow. However, by the same token, your opponent could easily see where you're aiming by the same methods, so no advantages there.
LOL, right. sure. No visual input needed to keep track of that razor sharp point. None at all.
If your eyes are on your sword instead of the other guy, you're dead meat. If you're trained in using a weapon, you know exactly where it is based on the position of your body and the feel of the weapon in your hands.
There's no reason at all to need to be able to see your own weapon barring drawing it from somewhere other than a normal scabbard strapped to your body.
Kalshane, I am quite sure you BELIEVE this. That doesn't in any way convince me that it's TRUE. There is a reason people talk about seeing things "from the corner of their eye." Your brain can keep track of things unconsciously, but it helps to SEE it first. This is why you can blink without seeing what made you blink. Your brain registers it even if you don't realize it.
Update: Just to point out, I've seen people hit themselves with their own VISIBLE weapons. Even people who have been trained to use them.
You may believe THAT, but I believe you place an over-abundance of important on peripheral vision in the case of using a weapon. No doubt it's invaluable in identifying weapons other than your own, but if yours is invisible, then you know when to duck or dodge.
I've never seen a blind-folded child hit himself whacking away at a pinata.
Can you hit yourself with your own weapon? Absolutely; I've done it too, in broad daylight, and with "simple weapons" even. Does being able to see it have anything to do with it? Not in the slightest.
As i pointed out in a thread about the fact that turning invisble makes your gear invisble.
When it comes to using a weapon nothing in the rules supports any penalties or bonuses that occur from the weapon being invisible (only from you yourself being so). In fact short of reading a scroll there isn't much down side to invisble gear other than finding it if it gets disarmed or dropped.