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Cosmo wrote:
I wouldn't really call that a gimmick, per se...

I respectfully disagree, and elaborating on the reasons for it would not result in a productive thread.


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Cosmo wrote:
Hi!

I wonder what level of summon monster would be appropriate for happiness-inducing imps. They sound fun. :3

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Shifty wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
They kind of frown on that in the army.
Pfft #2 cuts are only for basic... I roll with an outrageous #3 now.
I stick with #1 because I can go two weeks between cuts that way. Saves me 50% on the barber every year.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!


Ashiel, that is probably the most off topic thing that I have seen you post.


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Ashiel wrote:
Cosmo wrote:
Hi!
I wonder what level of summon monster would be appropriate for happiness-inducing imps. They sound fun. :3

3.5 had a euphoric imp iirc.

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Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

But did it show up on summon monster lists?

Paizo Employee Director of Sales

Well, I do have 15 HD and class levels. So there's that.

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Grimmy wrote:

@Arcane: It is very interesting, Abraham Spalding hinted that it was a little social experiment, I think.

A female Ashiel might be threatening to someone who wants that kind of system mastery to remain a boys club. For someone else a female Ashiel might be an ultimate Nerd Fantasy. What does it say about you if you assume Ashiel must be male? If you would be freaked out to learn Ashiel is male? And so on.

Why can't someone just let the ideas speak for themselves? Wouldn't the Internet be one of the few scenarios where that's possible? Apparently if you have something noteworthy to say, people want to know.

Like you said, let the guessing continue. Or maybe better yet, let it stop.

THE FREAKY GIANT BUNNY-THING IS TALKING!!!

[said the Cthulhu spawn]


Arcane Knowledge wrote:

Ashiel, that is probably the most off topic thing that I have seen you post.

Ashiel is wondering what spell he needs to cast to summon Cosmo in game (as he is a Happiness-Inducment Imp).

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Kthulhu wrote:


THE FREAKY GIANT BUNNY-THING IS TALKING!!!

[said the Cthulhu spawn]

Fear the bunny...


Cosmo wrote:
Well, I do have 15 HD and class levels. So there's that.

Hmmm, rough estimate says it's around Astral Deva point. Around CR 12-13, I reckon. That would make it would need to be summon monster IX, unless those class levels are NPC class levels. Then we could probably squeeze the awesome into summon monster V or higher. I wonder, are happiness inducing Imps considered evil? If so, Abyssal Sorcerers + that one feat that provides extra critters when you summon 2 or more, then we'd have thrice the fun. :3


ciretose wrote:
Fear the bunny...

That pic, not so bad. The one someone linked in the comments, AUGH! *shiver*


DeathQuaker wrote:
I tend to assume people look exactly like their forum avatars. Even when the avatar is of a monster. ]

EXCELLENT! Don't come all at once ladies! So my avatars a sea hag. B%@!$es love sea hags, right?


Twigs wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:
I tend to assume people look exactly like their forum avatars. Even when the avatar is of a monster. ]
EXCELLENT! Don't come all at once ladies! So my avatars a sea hag. B$#$%es love sea hags, right?

*cackles* Wow, I've gotten a lot of laughs out of this thread. ^.^

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Twigs wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
I tend to assume people look exactly like their forum avatars. Even when the avatar is of a monster. ]
EXCELLENT! Don't come all at once ladies! So my avatars a sea hag. B&+$~es love sea hags, right?

Slight fix. That was Kthulhu who said that. :) (I gave a response)

And hell yeah b&~!@es love sea hags.

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ciretose wrote:
Fear the bunny...

BUNNY


BUNNY!


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Moro, if youre going to link to a site that has furry porn banners, please list it as NSFW.


Hmm...

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Interesting.
I share Ends concern about the 'ringer' review.

Perhaps a reminder that messageboard skills and system-mastery don't automatically translate to publishing.


Man that's a harsh review...

Makes me even more self-conscious about publishing my own adventure. :(

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GeraintElberion wrote:

Interesting.

I share Ends concern about the 'ringer' review.

Perhaps a reminder that messageboard skills and system-mastery don't automatically translate to publishing.

Or perhaps they do. As in if the skills are poor in one area, unsurprisingly...

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

He did say 'automatically'.

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Odraude wrote:

Man that's a harsh review...

Makes me even more self-conscious about publishing my own adventure. :(

It's the harshest thing that I have seen from End, he and DM are fantastic reviewers and I generally regard them as quite kind and supportive, sometimes they can be 3pp cheerleaders but... ouch.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Shifty wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
They kind of frown on that in the army.
Pfft #2 cuts are only for basic... I roll with an outrageous #3 now.
I stick with #1 because I can go two weeks between cuts that way. Saves me 50% on the barber every year.

Go slick bro, razor blades are cheaper than haircuts.

Also I do look like a less pissed off version of my avatar.


Can't imagine Ashiel would appreciate bring up something like this a year latter... *shrug*

Charlie Bell wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Shifty wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
They kind of frown on that in the army.
Pfft #2 cuts are only for basic... I roll with an outrageous #3 now.
I stick with #1 because I can go two weeks between cuts that way. Saves me 50% on the barber every year.

Go slick bro, razor blades are cheaper than haircuts.

Also I do look like a less pissed off version of my avatar.

I look exactly like my avatar. Including the constant surprised face.

Grand Lodge

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Charlie Bell wrote:
Go slick bro, razor blades are cheaper than haircuts.

I tried once. My head is entirely too egg-shaped for that. Also, my wife would leave me.

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Odraude wrote:
I look exactly like my avatar. Including the constant surprised face.

And all this time I thought that was your angry face.

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Grimmy wrote:

Funny you say that cirerose, I rented Atlas Shrugged last night, haven't watched it yet. Karl Marx is a prick.

Have you actually READ any Marx or Hegel? Or just taking a stance on faith from a capitalist viewpoint that Marx MUST be devilspawn because you've been told he is? There are major differences between Marx and Lenin after all, never mind the gulf between Marx and what Stalin sold as Marxism. Also keep in mind that during 1848 when the Communist Manifesto the Industrial Revolution capitalist nations by our standards were not very pleasant places to live in if you weren't of the guilded class. (that includes America by the way)

Also keep in mind that by the time of the Russian Revolution of the Bolsheviks, Marx had been dead for almost thirty years.


Lazar,
I am not informed enough to call Marx a prick so uncategorically and back it up at all. I mix up Marx and Lenin in my mind all the time, and I'm generally confused about the difference between socialism and communism. On the other hand I'm definitely not taking a stance on faith from a capitalist viewpoint. The few times I have made any effort to brush up on the subject of Marx, my bias if any was that I was trying to find something favorable. I was looking to play the devils advocate against some friends who were condemning the likes of Che Guevera. None of this is fresh on my mind but I remember after a cursory reading I had an unsettling impression of anti-semitism from Marx. I would be happy to be enlightened if I am in error.


GeraintElberion wrote:

Interesting.

I share Ends concern about the 'ringer' review.

Perhaps a reminder that messageboard skills and system-mastery don't automatically translate to publishing.

Just purchased, running tomorow!

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Marx is a philosopher whose observations of society continue to be important to this day, and founded a school of criticism that has dominated literary criticism for a century.

Rand wrote this.


MiB,
I remember I read Anthem as a kid and liked it enough to get Atlas Shrugged out of the library, but I got bored with that very fast, even though I had a fetish for huge books at that age.
I think with Anthem I only vaguely understood the allegorical, polisci level it was working on, I read it as a love story. But I Was 13 or 14. I probably thought Animal Farm was written by PETA or something.

I also rented Atlas Shrugged two nights ago and still haven't watched it.


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LazarX wrote:

Have you actually READ any Marx or Hegel? Or just taking a stance on faith from a capitalist viewpoint that Marx MUST be devilspawn because you've been told he is? There are major differences between Marx and Lenin after all, never mind the gulf between Marx and what Stalin sold as Marxism.

It's refreshing to hear someone point that out. The posthumous manipulation of Marx's critical and philosophical work into the bogeymen of 20th-century Western society is about on par with the posthumous antisemitic re-rendering done to Nietzsche.

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Grimmy wrote:

None of this is fresh on my mind but I remember after a cursory reading I had an unsettling impression of anti-semitism from Marx. I would be happy to be enlightened if I am in error.

Grimmy 38 minutes ago

If you read the Marx link that I included in the article you'll note that his father was a Jew who made a mandated conversion to Lutheran in order to maintain a livng in a country in which Jews were prohibited from many forms of work. If anything, Marx would have been sensitive to anti-semitism given how much his family was exposed to it. There was no evidence that he or anyone in his family's conversion to Lutheranism was anything but a face maneuver as no one actually practised it.

I'm going to give you the full version of his famous and often abused quote below.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions.

—Karl Marx, Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right


There are many posters I enjoy reading. I enjoy Ashiel's posts because they do introduce new thought experiments. I don't always agree with them and the conclusions she draws, but that is ok. I know what works for my game and her posts are one of many posters who get me to think about my game. (Especially when I am thinking about typing up case notes or discharges. Blech.)

Grand Lodge

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I don't think Paizo needs another consultant whose main contributions to this board are on how to break a game we already know has a built-in inescapable fragility due to it's d20 roots.

The game can't be made munchkin proof and retain any resemblance to what it was descended from. Quite frankly, the primary burden of balance and fair play has been, should, and will always be the Game Master.


A Man In Black wrote:


Rand wrote this.

Kids, eat your vegetables or Atlas Shrugged will be your bed time story, ....Again.


Grimmy wrote:
GeraintElberion wrote:

Interesting.

I share Ends concern about the 'ringer' review.

Perhaps a reminder that messageboard skills and system-mastery don't automatically translate to publishing.

Just purchased, running tomorow!

I hope you enjoy it. Endzeitgeist's review has been very helpful. I'll look to it frequently when working on other projects. A few things that I'd like to point out, that may make your play experience a little easier or better, that perhaps should have been noted more clearly during the actual adventure (in one way I appreciate Endzeitgeist's review is it shows what sort of details that are necessary).

Endzeitgeist wrote:
Sadly without providing any rules. The text states that the flowers work with fog-and cloud spells and alchemist items, that they can improve caster-level or DCs, but not by how much.

The fog lilies provide a +1 bonus. The exclusion of the bonus was an oversight.

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The only other information we get on the church is "This old church is built using an old style that is rarely used anymore." Ok. Which style? To which kind of god was this place once devoted? Should we assume a Judeo-Christian default? Why am I asking this?

The church is intended to be in a style subject to GM discretion. The adventure doesn't assume a particular campaign setting, so the overall appearance of the church and the religious ties of the church would likely change to reflect a deity appropriate to the GM's campaign (it might be a church of the Silver Flame if you're playing Eberron, or it might be Wee Jass or Boccob in Greyhawk, or it might be something entirely new).

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Well, there's a stone (900 GP worth, btw.) that can create up to 20 gallons of water per minute in the church. Decanter of endless water, anyone? I don't like the item due to creating water without a limit for 900 GP (somebody tell those nomads in the desert), but oh well.

The item that is mentioned uses create water for the effect. After a certain amount of time, excess water ceases to exist. Water that isn't caught by the clogged drain or the floor seeps through cracks in the walls, trickling down the hill (this is mentioned in the adventure but it could be clearer). This might be useful to know, if you were concerned about flooding. This is also a good indicator to me that I should not attempt another adventure-based product without maps. Initially the idea that an adventure that gave the freedom to build your own maps out of descriptions (I myself tend to draw out maps for the players on paper as the player's go, while I know some people who really like the little mapboards and map-kits you can get). However, a map of the church, the runoff points, and so forth might have avoided that portion of the review entirely.

Overall, the review has been a good one in my opinion. Not good in the traditional sense that we think of reviews (the other review is a "good" review in that sense), but a good one for learning. The adventure on the site was something entirely new for me. While I've helped other GMs in the past, given advice they appreciated, and have built some encounters and presented story ideas by request; this was the first time I ever sat down and made an attempt at writing an entire adventure from beginning to end solely for other peoples' use. As a product, it may actually be a failure, but it may be exactly what I needed.

In closing, I hope that the adventure works for you and is fun for you and your group.


LazarX wrote:
I don't think Paizo needs another consultant whose main contributions to this board are on how to break a game we already know has a built-in inescapable fragility due to it's d20 roots.

I don't think fragility is at all inescapable. Everything is a learning process. I'm a bit saddened to hear that my "main contribution" is instruction for how to break the game though. I surely didn't think that the case.

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The game can't be made munchkin proof and retain any resemblance to what it was descended from. Quite frankly, the primary burden of balance and fair play has been, should, and will always be the Game Master.

I must disagree with this. A well oiled machine just runs better. I'd rather not have a car that has a weird tapping under the hood, and have the mechanic say "Well, uhh, it should work if you don't go over 50 mph". I'd prefer a car that is well made that I could drive on the freeway, and not have to worry about it breaking down or having safety issues.

I have no doubt the system can be balanced without it being 4E. The only people I've seen who argue the contrary or argue against progress seem to be the sort that like to use the term Munchkin like it was going out of style.


Lazar I hadn't noticed the link in your post, I'll read it later. Likewise, MiB, the apparently awful Rand link.
Right now I'm prepping the Forsaken Churchyard, so I'll read those later.

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Grimmy wrote:

Lazar I hadn't noticed the link in your post, I'll read it later. Likewise, MiB, the apparently awful Rand link.

Right now I'm prepping the Forsaken Churchyard, so I'll read those later.

You can skip the Galt monologue, it's cool.

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Ashiel wrote:
I have no doubt the system can be balanced without it being 4E.

Agreed. With the rather huge qualifier that 3.X and 4E are far from the only systems out there. In fact, I think the balance actually suffered with the move to 3.0/d20.

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Kthulhu wrote:
Ashiel wrote:
I have no doubt the system can be balanced without it being 4E.
Agreed. With the rather huge qualifier that 3.X and 4E are far from the only systems out there. In fact, I think the balance actually suffered with the move to 3.0/d20.

That's pretty much my point. 3.0 marks the explosion of player options and the shift in production from GM oriented content, i.e. scenarios,to player oriented content, (splatbooks) in the WOTC production line. With a monthly increase in player rules content, the game could not help but break.


Ashiel, I was thinking of having the Lilly's apply a meta magic effect.

The church is probably going to have belonged to Aiwa and the Triune Guardians of the Asha'arta ( Mitra, Aiwa and Astrior). Aiwa is the "Water of Life"' so it fits with the water stone very well. I don't like adventures to have details I can't fit intomy setting.

I'm glad there's no map because I have some Warhammer terrain I bought my little brother that he never used.

I'm going to spread out these pieces on a chessex mat.

The problems with Create Water are inherent in the spell, and magic in general. I don't see how the stone makes it worse. Someone tell those nomads in the desert about low level Clerics and Druids.

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Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Ashiel wrote:


I have no doubt the system can be balanced without it being 4E. The only people I've seen who argue the contrary or argue against progress seem to be the sort that like to use the term Munchkin like it was going out of style.

Balance is frequently in the eye of the beholder. To some, D20 is balanced for players who don't deliberately try to munchkin it. For others, the fact that it can be munchkined is proof of imbalance. The more options a game has, the more chances are that something will break.

Pathfinder is the direct descendent of an inherently breakable game. Unless you're going to make a claim that 3.5 was more balanced than Pathfinder is now. It's one thing to claim that the game can be "balanced" without being 4E. However that statement is empty unless you can prove how it can be done without making changes to the game that would be equally,if not more significant, than the transition from 3.X to 4.X.


Grimmy wrote:

Ashiel, I was thinking of having the Lilly's apply a meta magic effect.

The church is probably going to have belonged to Aiwa and the Triune Guardians of the Asha'arta ( Mitra, Aiwa and Astrior). Aiwa is the "Water of Life"' so it fits with the water stone very well. I don't like adventures to have details I can't fit intomy setting.

I'm glad there's no map because I have some Warhammer terrain I bought my little brother that he never used.

I'm going to spread out these pieces on a chessex mat.

The problems with Create Water are inherent in the spell, and magic in general. I don't see how the stone makes it worse. Someone tell those nomads in the desert about low level Clerics and Druids.

Why Clerics and Druids? Adepts fit the bill more and they also have 0 level spells, including create water.


Ok I wasn't sure and I didn't want to check so I didn't say adepts to be on the safe side.


LazarX wrote:

I don't think Paizo needs another consultant whose main contributions to this board are on how to break a game we already know has a built-in inescapable fragility due to it's d20 roots.

The game can't be made munchkin proof and retain any resemblance to what it was descended from. Quite frankly, the primary burden of balance and fair play has been, should, and will always be the Game Master.

As with any system, constantly pounding it and dissecting it to find its flaws is generally a good excercise if done in a constructive way. The idea is not to make the Pathfinder system munchkin-proof, but minimizing munchin-holes is never a bad thing.

I most certainly appreciate Ashiel's contributions in that department.


Adepts don't get unlimited 0-level spells, though, which is what the create water criticism usually centers on. They can only cast it a certain number of times per day.

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