paizo.com Recent Posts in Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?paizo.com Recent Posts in Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?2012-06-20T01:24:43Z2012-06-20T01:24:43ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#292012-06-22T13:26:22Z2012-06-22T13:26:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">nosig wrote:</div><blockquote><p> the statement that "Base line idea is all feat are equal." is just not true. </p>
<p>The feat that removes the penility for fireing a crossbow when prone (realizing that there IS NO penility for fireing a crossbow when prone) is not equeal to Point Blank Shot. </blockquote><p>As in the impact they have one the game.
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Some feats give little bonus all the time
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Some feats give meduim bonus most of the time
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Some feat give big bonus small part of the time</p>
<p>small bonus ALL THE TIME
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Medium Bonus Most Of The Time
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BIG BONUS small part of time</p>
<p>It sliding scale of how big of bonus vs how offten you can use it.</p>nosig wrote:the statement that "Base line idea is all feat are equal." is just not true.
The feat that removes the penility for fireing a crossbow when prone (realizing that there IS NO penility for fireing a crossbow when prone) is not equeal to Point Blank Shot.
As in the impact they have one the game.
Some feats give little bonus all the time
Some feats give meduim bonus most of the time
Some feat give big bonus small part of the timesmall bonus ALL THE TIME
Medium Bonus Most Of The...Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)2012-06-22T13:26:22ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Bobsonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#282012-06-22T11:18:24Z2012-06-22T11:18:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tom S 820 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> 1 for 3 is not balenced it greater by 2. Simple. Base line idea is all feat are equal. Now you saying some not as good as others that only 1/3 feat. What this swap also skill focus is worth less that trait. So I should be abe to swap any feat for 3 skill focus feat. </p>
<p>All AP are priced the same so can get old one for 3 for price of 1.
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NO this dose not make sense.</p>
<p>Eye for Talent racial substitution is that same as alertness or any of +2/+2 feat. Just +2 goes to stat for pet/follower ect. It should most likey be clean up to say it can only be applyed to one not all. It would not be fair to 4 different one if made build, with Wizard/duird /sommer/ with leadership. That would be broke as well. </blockquote><p>I think you need to define what you're comparing it to when you decide whether it's balanced.
<p><span class=messageboard-bigger>Are you comparing the human's normal 1 feat with the alternate set of 3 feats? </span>In that scenario, the set of three <i>should</i> be better, <b>for characters that want skills</b>. If a substitution isn't better than the original for someone, then no one will ever choose it. For instance, consider a theoretical substitution: "You gain Endurance as a bonus feat. Thus racial trait replaces the bonus feat racial trait and skilled." No one would ever take this. They could just use their bonus feat to take Endurance, and not lose the skill points. What if it just replaced the bonus feat and left skilled alone? It still wouldn't be taken, because it's still useless. </p>
<p>A substitution <i>has</i> to be at least marginally better than what it's replacing, or it won't get used. So a replacement which gives you two bonus Skill Focus feats many levels down the line is better than a single feat of your choice, but <b>only</b> when you want skill focus in the first place, which many characters don't.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-bigger>Are you comparing 1 feat (regardless of what it is) to 3 feats (regardless of what they are)? </span>That's just silly. I'd much rather have a relevant Weapon Focus than Prone Shooter, Death from Above, and Field Repair. </p>
<p><span class=messageboard-bigger>Are you comparing what the human can get (3 skill focus feats) to what a half-elf can get (1 skill focus feat)? </span> Humans have always been more skill focused than half-elves. They've been able to take Skill Focus to match the half elf all along, plus they get the bonus skill point each level.</p>Tom S 820 wrote:1 for 3 is not balenced it greater by 2. Simple. Base line idea is all feat are equal. Now you saying some not as good as others that only 1/3 feat. What this swap also skill focus is worth less that trait. So I should be abe to swap any feat for 3 skill focus feat.
All AP are priced the same so can get old one for 3 for price of 1.
NO this dose not make sense.
Eye for Talent racial substitution is that same as alertness or any of +2/+2 feat. Just +2 goes to stat for...Bobson2012-06-22T11:18:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?nosighttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#272012-06-20T21:18:05Z2012-06-20T21:18:05Z<p>the statement that "Base line idea is all feat are equal." is just not true. </p>
<p>The feat that removes the penility for fireing a crossbow when prone (realizing that there IS NO penility for fireing a crossbow when prone) is not equeal to Point Blank Shot.</p>the statement that "Base line idea is all feat are equal." is just not true.
The feat that removes the penility for fireing a crossbow when prone (realizing that there IS NO penility for fireing a crossbow when prone) is not equeal to Point Blank Shot.nosig2012-06-20T21:18:05ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?thoynanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#262012-06-20T20:56:23Z2012-06-20T20:56:23Z<p>Makes a human beast bonded witch/fighter with a homuculous quite the beast, with his super HP, super stealh/ bluff/ etc beast just lurking around, haha. That familair can be flowing with feats, haha. Let alone splashing levels of classes that give feats lvl 1.</p>Makes a human beast bonded witch/fighter with a homuculous quite the beast, with his super HP, super stealh/ bluff/ etc beast just lurking around, haha. That familair can be flowing with feats, haha. Let alone splashing levels of classes that give feats lvl 1.thoynan2012-06-20T20:56:23ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#252012-06-20T20:24:16Z2012-06-20T20:24:16Z<p>1 for 3 is not balenced it greater by 2. Simple. Base line idea is all feat are equal. Now you saying some not as good as others that only 1/3 feat. What this swap also skill focus is worth less that trait. So I should be abe to swap any feat for 3 skill focus feat. </p>
<p>All AP are priced the same so can get old one for 3 for price of 1.
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NO this dose not make sense.</p>
<p>Eye for Talent racial substitution is that same as alertness or any of +2/+2 feat. Just +2 goes to stat for pet/follower ect. It should most likey be clean up to say it can only be applyed to one not all. It would not be fair to 4 different one if made build, with Wizard/duird /sommer/ with leadership. That would be broke as well.</p>1 for 3 is not balenced it greater by 2. Simple. Base line idea is all feat are equal. Now you saying some not as good as others that only 1/3 feat. What this swap also skill focus is worth less that trait. So I should be abe to swap any feat for 3 skill focus feat.
All AP are priced the same so can get old one for 3 for price of 1.
NO this dose not make sense.
Eye for Talent racial substitution is that same as alertness or any of +2/+2 feat. Just +2 goes to stat for pet/follower ect. It...Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)2012-06-20T20:24:16ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#242012-06-20T17:59:25Z2012-06-20T17:59:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Drejk wrote:</div><blockquote> Skill Focus is much less useful than bonus <pick any you met prerequisites> feat. Of course even single Skill Focus is very useful for any seriously skill-oriented characters but how many PCs are actually build that way? Half? One-quarter?</blockquote><p>When I loaded up all of my old human characters to see which ones had taken skill focus in the past (and thus could now switch it out for two or three skill focuses) I found that about half of them benefited from the new rule. Many of them who had spent one or more general feats on Skill Focus, now got Skill Focus for free and were able to take other, more suitable general feats instead while also maintaining their character concept.
<p>For me it was a direct power increase.</p>Drejk wrote:Skill Focus is much less useful than bonus feat. Of course even single Skill Focus is very useful for any seriously skill-oriented characters but how many PCs are actually build that way? Half? One-quarter?
When I loaded up all of my old human characters to see which ones had taken skill focus in the past (and thus could now switch it out for two or three skill focuses) I found that about half of them benefited from the new rule. Many of them who had spent one or more general...Ravingdork2012-06-20T17:59:25ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Bobsonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#232012-06-20T17:20:42Z2012-06-20T17:20:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tom S 820 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Mortika wrote:</div><blockquote> Tom, does the delay in two of those skill focus feats till 8th and 16th level ameliorate the imbalance in your eyes? Or do you routinely start play at 16th level? </blockquote><p>No I do not start at level 16. I start level 2 and play till level
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18- 20.</p>
<p>But if compare Dwarf Rouge level 16 to Human rouge 16 who is better?
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The human by minimum +6 on skills. Really it is more same dwarf has to spend 3 feat to catch up. While the human can spend 2 more feat to +2/+2 to of the skills and +2 to the third. And with pathfinder 10 rank double rule means that is +2 more. Or it mean that human is more versatile skill wise than any one else.</p>
<p>Base line Idea of the game feat is a feat ie all feat are equal.
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Do you want 1 dollar now. Or 3 dollars? 3 is greater that one simple math. </p>
<p>Look at like this base line PC get 10 feat per 20 levels. Human got 1 more to make them flexible and playable vs the non humans. Now there get 13 vs dwarf with 10.</p>
<p>Would you let elf get Weapon Focus long bow for free level 1 and Weapon Focus Long sword level 8th and Weapon Focus Eleven Curve Blade at 16th. </p>
<p>If the human had to take skill focus at level on and give up there extra skill point at each level. Sure 20 skill point of versatile to 18 point ahead curve that seems even.
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</blockquote><p>It sounds to me that for any build that wants skill focus at 1st level, it's a great choice, and for any build that doesn't, it's a useless one. Which is exactly the same as every other racial substitution. For example, the Eye for Talent racial substitution is decent for any human who has a pet/minion, and useless for everyone else.
<p>If the concern is stepping on the half-elf's toes, humans could already do that by spending their free feat on Skill Focus. And even then, half-elves still would have <i>an</i> advantage because they could swap their skill focus for a proficiency feat that normally requires BAB +1, even if their starting BAB is +0.</p>
<p>Overall, it seems reasonably balanced to me.</p>Tom S 820 wrote:Chris Mortika wrote: Tom, does the delay in two of those skill focus feats till 8th and 16th level ameliorate the imbalance in your eyes? Or do you routinely start play at 16th level?
No I do not start at level 16. I start level 2 and play till level
18- 20.But if compare Dwarf Rouge level 16 to Human rouge 16 who is better?
The human by minimum +6 on skills. Really it is more same dwarf has to spend 3 feat to catch up. While the human can spend 2 more feat to +2/+2 to of...Bobson2012-06-20T17:20:42ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Cheapyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#222012-06-20T16:18:38Z2012-06-20T16:18:38Z<p>At level 16, I'd much rather have the +2 to most saving throws, thankyouverymuch.</p>At level 16, I'd much rather have the +2 to most saving throws, thankyouverymuch.Cheapy2012-06-20T16:18:38ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#212012-06-20T16:16:28Z2012-06-20T16:16:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Mortika wrote:</div><blockquote> Tom, does the delay in two of those skill focus feats till 8th and 16th level ameliorate the imbalance in your eyes? Or do you routinely start play at 16th level? </blockquote><p>No I do not start at level 16. I start level 2 and play till level
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18- 20.</p>
<p>But if compare Dwarf Rouge level 16 to Human rouge 16 who is better?
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The human by minimum +6 on skills. Really it is more same dwarf has to spend 3 feat to catch up. While the human can spend 2 more feat to +2/+2 to of the skills and +2 to the third. And with pathfinder 10 rank double rule means that is +2 more. Or it mean that human is more versatile skill wise than any one else.</p>
<p>Base line Idea of the game feat is a feat ie all feat are equal.
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Do you want 1 dollar now. Or 3 dollars? 3 is greater that one simple math. </p>
<p>Look at like this base line PC get 10 feat per 20 levels. Human got 1 more to make them flexible and playable vs the non humans. Now there get 13 vs dwarf with 10.</p>
<p>Would you let elf get Weapon Focus long bow for free level 1 and Weapon Focus Long sword level 8th and Weapon Focus Eleven Curve Blade at 16th. </p>
<p>If the human had to take skill focus at level on and give up there extra skill point at each level. Sure 20 skill point of versatile to 18 point ahead curve that seems even.</p>Chris Mortika wrote:Tom, does the delay in two of those skill focus feats till 8th and 16th level ameliorate the imbalance in your eyes? Or do you routinely start play at 16th level?
No I do not start at level 16. I start level 2 and play till level
18- 20.But if compare Dwarf Rouge level 16 to Human rouge 16 who is better?
The human by minimum +6 on skills. Really it is more same dwarf has to spend 3 feat to catch up. While the human can spend 2 more feat to +2/+2 to of the skills and +2...Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)2012-06-20T16:16:28ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#202012-06-20T14:47:03Z2012-06-20T14:47:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tom S 820 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Focused Study: All humans are skillful, but some,
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rather than being generalists, tend to specialize in a
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handful of skills. At 1st, 8th, and 16th level, such humans
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gain Skill Focus in a skill of their choice as a bonus feat.
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This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait.</p>
<p>That is lame. And broke I give a feat of any thing to get 3 from a list. Dose not sound even remotely even trade.</p>
<p>And it makes 1/2 elf even more broken cause any thing a human can do a 1/2 elf can do as well. So all 1/2 elf now get 3 Skill Focus for free not just one. Come on is take high fantasy to new level.
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or 1/2 orc...</blockquote><p>Unless ARG changed something there, neither half-elves or half-orcs have <i>bonus feat trait</i> that they could replace with Focused Study so, judging <b>only by</b> description you provided, they can't take Focused Study.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p>I mean so of the cooles buids use
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Eldritch Heritage Cha 13, Skill Focus in bloodline skill, character level 3rd Gain a bloodline power </p>
<p>Improved Eldritch Heritage Cha 15, Eldritch Heritage, character level 11th Gain an additional bloodline power</p>
<p>Greater Eldritch Heritage Cha 17, Eldritch Heritage, Improved Eldritch Heritage, character level 17th Gain a higher-level sorcerer bloodline power </p>
<p>And now you do not have to feat tax to do so. </p>
<p>Is there that many people that think skill PC do not matter that is not big deal. </blockquote><p>Half-elves and humans can already get Skill Focus at first level and get those chains quickly. You still have to pay feat tax for them because you have to select specific Skill Focus instead of using it on something else you could want to take. With Focused Study you will get two more Skill Focus feats as a human making it more worthwhile. It all depends upon what alternatives half-elves get to be deemed overpowered or not.Tom S 820 wrote:Focused Study: All humans are skillful, but some,
rather than being generalists, tend to specialize in a
handful of skills. At 1st, 8th, and 16th level, such humans
gain Skill Focus in a skill of their choice as a bonus feat.
This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait.That is lame. And broke I give a feat of any thing to get 3 from a list. Dose not sound even remotely even trade.
And it makes 1/2 elf even more broken cause any thing a human can do a 1/2 elf can do as...Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)2012-06-20T14:47:03ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Chris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#192012-06-20T14:44:48Z2012-06-20T14:44:48Z<p>Tom, does the delay in two of those skill focus feats till 8th and 16th level ameliorate the imbalance in your eyes? Or do you routinely start play at 16th level?</p>Tom, does the delay in two of those skill focus feats till 8th and 16th level ameliorate the imbalance in your eyes? Or do you routinely start play at 16th level?Chris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)2012-06-20T14:44:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#182012-06-20T14:35:57Z2012-06-20T14:35:57Z<p>Focused Study: All humans are skillful, but some,
<br />
rather than being generalists, tend to specialize in a
<br />
handful of skills. At 1st, 8th, and 16th level, such humans
<br />
gain Skill Focus in a skill of their choice as a bonus feat.
<br />
This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait.</p>
<p>That is lame. And broke I give a feat of any thing to get 3 from a list. Dose not sound even remotely even trade.</p>
<p>And it makes 1/2 elf even more broken cause any thing a human can do a 1/2 elf can do as well. So all 1/2 elf now get 3 Skill Focus for free not just one. Come on is take high fantasy to new level.
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or 1/2 orc...</p>
<p>Flag, Flag, Flag on the play! </p>
<p>I mean so of the cooles buids use
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Eldritch Heritage Cha 13, Skill Focus in bloodline skill, character level 3rd Gain a bloodline power </p>
<p>Improved Eldritch Heritage Cha 15, Eldritch Heritage, character level 11th Gain an additional bloodline power</p>
<p>Greater Eldritch Heritage Cha 17, Eldritch Heritage, Improved Eldritch Heritage, character level 17th Gain a higher-level sorcerer bloodline power </p>
<p>And now you do not have to feat tax to do so. </p>
<p>Is there that many people that think skill PC do not matter that is not big deal.</p>Focused Study: All humans are skillful, but some,
rather than being generalists, tend to specialize in a
handful of skills. At 1st, 8th, and 16th level, such humans
gain Skill Focus in a skill of their choice as a bonus feat.
This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait.
That is lame. And broke I give a feat of any thing to get 3 from a list. Dose not sound even remotely even trade.
And it makes 1/2 elf even more broken cause any thing a human can do a 1/2 elf can do as well. So all 1/2...Tom S 820 (alias of Tom Saksa)2012-06-20T14:35:57ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#172012-06-20T13:00:21Z2012-06-20T13:00:21Z<p>Skill Focus is much less useful than bonus <pick any you met prerequisites> feat. Of course even single Skill Focus is very useful for any seriously skill-oriented characters but how many PCs are actually build that way? Half? One-quarter? I think that less, because there are more ways to boost skill bonus than getting a feat you need for any mildly feat based specialty.</p>
<p>I agree that giving three Skill Focuses spread between levels for a price of one feat seems to be much at first, but this is only eyeballing the initial information about that trait.</p>Skill Focus is much less useful than bonus feat. Of course even single Skill Focus is very useful for any seriously skill-oriented characters but how many PCs are actually build that way? Half? One-quarter? I think that less, because there are more ways to boost skill bonus than getting a feat you need for any mildly feat based specialty.
I agree that giving three Skill Focuses spread between levels for a price of one feat seems to be much at first, but this is only eyeballing the initial...Drejk (alias of Wojciech Gruchala)2012-06-20T13:00:21ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Cheapyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#162012-06-20T00:51:56Z2012-06-20T00:51:56Z<p>Once again, it wasn't serious. Humans only have one bonus feat, although, as RD points out, there is a racial trait to give them 3 skill focuses instead of that one bonus feat.</p>
<p>Kinda weird, IMO.</p>Once again, it wasn't serious. Humans only have one bonus feat, although, as RD points out, there is a racial trait to give them 3 skill focuses instead of that one bonus feat.
Kinda weird, IMO.Cheapy2012-06-20T00:51:56ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Quandaryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#152012-06-20T00:48:22Z2012-06-20T00:48:22Z<p>So what's up with the 2 Human Bonus Feats then?
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I don't think that was an error in the Core Rules.
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Perhaps that is for playing 'jacked up' Humans to balance when 'high value' races are used?</p>So what's up with the 2 Human Bonus Feats then?
I don't think that was an error in the Core Rules.
Perhaps that is for playing 'jacked up' Humans to balance when 'high value' races are used?Quandary2012-06-20T00:48:22ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Cheapyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#142012-06-20T00:15:08Z2012-06-20T00:15:08Z<p>Thanks for the clarification, James!</p>Thanks for the clarification, James!Cheapy2012-06-20T00:15:08ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?James Jacobs (Creative Director)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#132012-06-20T00:11:21Z2012-06-20T00:11:21Z<p>The change to the Vanara's climb speed was an error... As far as I know, there were no deliberate changes made to the baseline races in this book (beyond some clarification stuff, such as the claw attack for changelings), as such changes are beyond the intent of the book to merely provide a wealth of new options for existing zero HD races and NOT to re-engineer them.</p>The change to the Vanara's climb speed was an error... As far as I know, there were no deliberate changes made to the baseline races in this book (beyond some clarification stuff, such as the claw attack for changelings), as such changes are beyond the intent of the book to merely provide a wealth of new options for existing zero HD races and NOT to re-engineer them.James Jacobs (Creative Director)2012-06-20T00:11:21ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#122012-06-20T00:07:23Z2012-06-20T00:07:23Z<p>Actually. I just found out that humans now have an alternate racial trait which gives them THREE bonus feats!</p>
<p>But they all have to be Skill Focus (one each at 1st, 8th, and 16th level).</p>Actually. I just found out that humans now have an alternate racial trait which gives them THREE bonus feats!
But they all have to be Skill Focus (one each at 1st, 8th, and 16th level).Ravingdork2012-06-20T00:07:23ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Belle Mythix (alias of Void Munchkin)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#112012-06-19T23:36:07Z2012-06-19T23:36:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rasief wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cheapy wrote:</div><blockquote> Humans now get TWO bonus feats! </blockquote><p>Is that true? I mean the bonus feat and the +2 bonus on the abilility you want are the things that make humans one of the best classes to play (at least from my point of view).
<p>Two bonus feats is just too much to me. </blockquote><p>Considering most other core races get bonuses that are better than a single bonus feat, nope.Rasief wrote:Cheapy wrote: Humans now get TWO bonus feats!
Is that true? I mean the bonus feat and the +2 bonus on the abilility you want are the things that make humans one of the best classes to play (at least from my point of view). Two bonus feats is just too much to me. Considering most other core races get bonuses that are better than a single bonus feat, nope.Belle Mythix (alias of Void Munchkin)2012-06-19T23:36:07ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Liz Courts (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#102012-06-19T17:22:48Z2012-06-19T17:22:48Z<p>Removed a post (and its replies). Don't dogpile on another poster, thanks.</p>Removed a post (and its replies). Don't dogpile on another poster, thanks.Liz Courts (Contributor)2012-06-19T17:22:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Strife2002 (alias of Michael Hendrick)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#92012-06-19T16:53:37Z2012-06-19T16:53:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Last I heard, the developers were saying that, aside from new content, the various races from the Bestiary weren't going to have their basic stats changed from those found in the Bestiaries.</p>
<p>My friend (who just got his hands on the PDF) just called me to excitedly tell me that the Vanara now have a climb speed of 30 feet rather than the Bestiaries listing of 20 feet. (Guess which race he happens to be playing right now.)</p>
<p>What gives? Is this a typo or did they change their minds and make other changes as well? I can't stand contradictory sources. </blockquote><p>All joking aside, this is something that interests me, too (I know, surprise surprise). Were there any other races that seemed to show contradictions to their previous incarnations?Ravingdork wrote:Last I heard, the developers were saying that, aside from new content, the various races from the Bestiary weren't going to have their basic stats changed from those found in the Bestiaries.
My friend (who just got his hands on the PDF) just called me to excitedly tell me that the Vanara now have a climb speed of 30 feet rather than the Bestiaries listing of 20 feet. (Guess which race he happens to be playing right now.)
What gives? Is this a typo or did they change their...Strife2002 (alias of Michael Hendrick)2012-06-19T16:53:37ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Advanced Race Guide races differ from those in Bestiaries?Cheapyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ob75?Advanced-Race-Guide-races-differ-from-those#52012-06-19T01:52:01Z2012-06-19T01:52:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rasief wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cheapy wrote:</div><blockquote> Humans now get TWO bonus feats! </blockquote><p>Is that true? I mean the bonus feat and the +2 bonus on the abilility you want are the things that make humans one of the best classes to play (at least from my point of view).
<p>Two bonus feats is just too much to me. </blockquote><p>No.Rasief wrote:Cheapy wrote: Humans now get TWO bonus feats!
Is that true? I mean the bonus feat and the +2 bonus on the abilility you want are the things that make humans one of the best classes to play (at least from my point of view). Two bonus feats is just too much to me. No.Cheapy2012-06-19T01:52:01Z