paizo.com Recent Posts in Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?paizo.com Recent Posts in Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?2012-06-14T19:55:10Z2012-06-14T19:55:10ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?tlotighttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#272012-06-18T21:50:03Z2012-06-18T21:50:03Z<p>I play with a small shadowlodge paladin whos has this problem with older missions.</p>I play with a small shadowlodge paladin whos has this problem with older missions.tlotig2012-06-18T21:50:03ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Dennis Baker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#262012-06-16T08:30:58Z2012-06-16T08:30:58Z<p>Pain refused a mission on me. All he had to do was ask a question and he knew it.</p>
<p>I was tempted to give him the prestige just to spite him.</p>Pain refused a mission on me. All he had to do was ask a question and he knew it.
I was tempted to give him the prestige just to spite him.Dennis Baker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)2012-06-16T08:30:58ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Alexander_Damocleshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#252012-06-16T07:38:17Z2012-06-16T07:38:17Z<p>I did have a funny way someone got a faction mission across "quietly", and yet the entire bar heard him. And yet it still qualified.</p>
<p>"OY YOU! I've got a message from Uncle Andor and Aunt Ann. Uncle Andor wants to know if that eagle he sent you still flies high as it used to? He's a proud falconer you know...."</p>I did have a funny way someone got a faction mission across "quietly", and yet the entire bar heard him. And yet it still qualified.
"OY YOU! I've got a message from Uncle Andor and Aunt Ann. Uncle Andor wants to know if that eagle he sent you still flies high as it used to? He's a proud falconer you know...."Alexander_Damocles2012-06-16T07:38:17ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Shifty (alias of Nik B.)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#242012-06-16T06:58:39Z2012-06-16T06:58:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Thod wrote:</div><blockquote> My LG Wizard refused a mission once. Asking for a cold blooded assassination. </blockquote><p>See thats when you loudly proclaim your frustration and misery at being asked to do such a terrible and impossible thing, and then all look expectantly at the Sczarni.Thod wrote:My LG Wizard refused a mission once. Asking for a cold blooded assassination.
See thats when you loudly proclaim your frustration and misery at being asked to do such a terrible and impossible thing, and then all look expectantly at the Sczarni.Shifty (alias of Nik B.)2012-06-16T06:58:39ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Thodhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#232012-06-16T06:47:41Z2012-06-16T06:47:41Z<p>My LG Wizard refused a mission once. Asking for a cold blooded assassination. </p>
<p>There were three Andorans at the table. The paladin refused on moral grounds. I couldn't see my character doing that. I can't remember what the third character was playing and what the reason was. </p>
<p>None of us three would have prevented the other from doing it but we collectively decided to rather forgo the prestige and stay in character. </p>
<p>Yes - that was quite memorable as it wasn't a single persons decision.</p>My LG Wizard refused a mission once. Asking for a cold blooded assassination.
There were three Andorans at the table. The paladin refused on moral grounds. I couldn't see my character doing that. I can't remember what the third character was playing and what the reason was.
None of us three would have prevented the other from doing it but we collectively decided to rather forgo the prestige and stay in character.
Yes - that was quite memorable as it wasn't a single persons decision.Thod2012-06-16T06:47:41ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Gunvaldr Gislasson (alias of TetsujinOni)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#222012-06-16T02:58:28Z2012-06-16T02:58:28Z<p>I refused the faction mission in a year three. It was actually detrimental to the core mission and therefore violated the only three real rules of the Society.</p>I refused the faction mission in a year three. It was actually detrimental to the core mission and therefore violated the only three real rules of the Society.Gunvaldr Gislasson (alias of TetsujinOni)2012-06-16T02:58:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Fromperhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#212012-06-15T14:04:07Z2012-06-15T14:04:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brass Pigeon wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> there was an instance (in the seemingly common silver crusaders doing an andoran mission) where the party was required to kill someone. They were defeated them and left them alive because while they were slightly misguided, their roaring rampage of revenge was pretty justified given the evidence that they had. </blockquote>I've just finished a mission like this. Old scenario so Silver Crusade gets the Andoran assassination mission. Quite strange but in the end it didn't matter since our target was trying to kill us anyway so it was less of a problem. </blockquote><p>My LG Silver Crusade cleric of Sarenrae hasn't really had a problem with this. She's gotten a couple of those faction missions, and she's waited to form her own opinions about whether or not the person in question should be killed. But she's always ended up agreeing with Major Maldriss that the enemy is truly evil and deserves to be executed for their crimes.Brass Pigeon wrote:BigNorseWolf wrote: there was an instance (in the seemingly common silver crusaders doing an andoran mission) where the party was required to kill someone. They were defeated them and left them alive because while they were slightly misguided, their roaring rampage of revenge was pretty justified given the evidence that they had.
I've just finished a mission like this. Old scenario so Silver Crusade gets the Andoran assassination mission. Quite strange but in the end it...Fromper2012-06-15T14:04:07ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Brass Pigeonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#202012-06-15T08:12:05Z2012-06-15T08:12:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> there was an instance (in the seemingly common silver crusaders doing an andoran mission) where the party was required to kill someone. They were defeated them and left them alive because while they were slightly misguided, their roaring rampage of revenge was pretty justified given the evidence that they had. </blockquote><p>I've just finished a mission like this. Old scenario so Silver Crusade gets the Andoran assassination mission. Quite strange but in the end it didn't matter since our target was trying to kill us anyway so it was less of a problem.BigNorseWolf wrote:there was an instance (in the seemingly common silver crusaders doing an andoran mission) where the party was required to kill someone. They were defeated them and left them alive because while they were slightly misguided, their roaring rampage of revenge was pretty justified given the evidence that they had.
I've just finished a mission like this. Old scenario so Silver Crusade gets the Andoran assassination mission. Quite strange but in the end it didn't matter since...Brass Pigeon2012-06-15T08:12:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Alexander_Damocleshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#192012-06-15T07:43:09Z2012-06-15T07:43:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Brittain wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I actually had a player receive a faction mission. Refuse the entire mission. Pay the prestige to join another faction (he was playing at 7th level) and join a completly different faction.</p>
<p>He was playing a complete pacifist who kept getting sent on missions to kill people. He finally had one of those 'last straw' moments.</p>
<p>It was some glorious in character RP.</p>
<p>Come join us in San Diego. We have a good thing going here. </blockquote><p>My titular character pretty much had the same thing happen, but on the law vs chaos aspect. Mr Damocles is pretty much a rules lawyer, and the darned Andorans kept telling him to liberate slaves and do all sorts of lawless acts. Finally, he got tired of their claims and went and had a nice lunch with Amenophus. They hit it off, and Mr Damocles now works for Osiron, the land of the wise and lawful.Eric Brittain wrote:I actually had a player receive a faction mission. Refuse the entire mission. Pay the prestige to join another faction (he was playing at 7th level) and join a completly different faction.
He was playing a complete pacifist who kept getting sent on missions to kill people. He finally had one of those 'last straw' moments.
It was some glorious in character RP.
Come join us in San Diego. We have a good thing going here.
My titular character pretty much had the same thing...Alexander_Damocles2012-06-15T07:43:09ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Eric Brittainhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#182012-06-15T06:33:50Z2012-06-15T03:04:12Z<p>I actually had a player receive a faction mission. Refuse the entire mission. Pay the prestige to join another faction (he was playing at 7th level) and join a completly different faction.</p>
<p>He was playing a complete pacifist who kept getting sent on missions to kill people. He finally had one of those 'last straw' moments.</p>
<p>It was some glorious in character RP.</p>
<p>Come join us in San Diego. We have a good thing going here.</p>I actually had a player receive a faction mission. Refuse the entire mission. Pay the prestige to join another faction (he was playing at 7th level) and join a completly different faction.
He was playing a complete pacifist who kept getting sent on missions to kill people. He finally had one of those 'last straw' moments.
It was some glorious in character RP.
Come join us in San Diego. We have a good thing going here.Eric Brittain2012-06-15T03:04:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Dragnmoonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#172012-06-15T00:27:48Z2012-06-15T00:27:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bob Jonquet wrote:</div><blockquote> I'm not saying we should deny prestige for those who try, but lack the appropriate skills and the mission is completed for them, just saying intentionally not participating should not award any prestige. </blockquote><p>I agree it makes sense, but by the rules they get the Fame even if it does not make sense.
<p>You could post on your super secret VC forums about this to bring it up there and convince mike to change the rule. ;)</p>Bob Jonquet wrote:I'm not saying we should deny prestige for those who try, but lack the appropriate skills and the mission is completed for them, just saying intentionally not participating should not award any prestige.
I agree it makes sense, but by the rules they get the Fame even if it does not make sense. You could post on your super secret VC forums about this to bring it up there and convince mike to change the rule. ;)Dragnmoon2012-06-15T00:27:48ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Shifty (alias of Nik B.)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#162012-06-14T23:57:35Z2012-06-14T23:57:35Z<p>One will never rise to the lofty heights of Godfather is one cannot be relied upon to honour their word. Of course honouring your word sounds good and noble in theory, right up until people realise your word was that you would feed their family pet to a crocodile if they were late with the payments again.</p>One will never rise to the lofty heights of Godfather is one cannot be relied upon to honour their word. Of course honouring your word sounds good and noble in theory, right up until people realise your word was that you would feed their family pet to a crocodile if they were late with the payments again.Shifty (alias of Nik B.)2012-06-14T23:57:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Severed Roninhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#152012-06-14T23:53:06Z2012-06-14T23:53:06Z<p>This reminds me of a conversation with a friend one time.</p>
<p>"I'll pay you back. Thieve's honor!"
<br />
"What? Thieves have no honor!"
<br />
"Moreso than you wizards!"
<br />
"That's a lie! We're very open about being lying, deceitful bastards!"</p>
<p>But, back on topic, I've yet to refuse one, but my main is Lantern and my alternate is Shadow Lodge. I've yet to come across the more controversial of their missions. If I did, I surmise they may or may not turn them down based on the contents.</p>This reminds me of a conversation with a friend one time.
"I'll pay you back. Thieve's honor!"
"What? Thieves have no honor!"
"Moreso than you wizards!"
"That's a lie! We're very open about being lying, deceitful bastards!"
But, back on topic, I've yet to refuse one, but my main is Lantern and my alternate is Shadow Lodge. I've yet to come across the more controversial of their missions. If I did, I surmise they may or may not turn them down based on the contents.Severed Ronin2012-06-14T23:53:06ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Shifty (alias of Nik B.)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#142012-06-14T23:46:37Z2012-06-14T23:46:37Z<p>See, when its Sczarni it is all about honour and respect. And fear. </p>
<p>Thanks SR :)</p>See, when its Sczarni it is all about honour and respect. And fear.
Thanks SR :)Shifty (alias of Nik B.)2012-06-14T23:46:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Severed Roninhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#132012-06-14T23:40:48Z2012-06-14T23:40:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shifty wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So far I have liked the Sczarni missions, haven't had any moral issues :)
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</blockquote><p>Shifty, this is why you will always be one of my favorite less-than-reputable individuals.Shifty wrote:So far I have liked the Sczarni missions, haven't had any moral issues :)
Shifty, this is why you will always be one of my favorite less-than-reputable individuals.Severed Ronin2012-06-14T23:40:48ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?TwilightKnighthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#122012-06-14T23:40:35Z2012-06-14T23:40:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shifty wrote:</div><blockquote> So far I have liked the Sczarni missions, haven't had any moral issues :)</blockquote><p>Sczarni...morality...um, what?!? :-)Shifty wrote:So far I have liked the Sczarni missions, haven't had any moral issues :)
Sczarni...morality...um, what?!? :-)TwilightKnight2012-06-14T23:40:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Shifty (alias of Nik B.)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#112012-06-14T23:36:34Z2012-06-14T23:36:34Z<p>So far I have liked the Sczarni missions, haven't had any moral issues :)</p>So far I have liked the Sczarni missions, haven't had any moral issues :)Shifty (alias of Nik B.)2012-06-14T23:36:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#102012-06-14T23:34:24Z2012-06-14T23:34:24Z<p>there was an instance (in the seemingly common silver crusaders doing an andoran mission) where the party was required to kill someone. They were defeated them and left them alive because while they were slightly misguided, their roaring rampage of revenge was pretty justified given the evidence that they had.</p>there was an instance (in the seemingly common silver crusaders doing an andoran mission) where the party was required to kill someone. They were defeated them and left them alive because while they were slightly misguided, their roaring rampage of revenge was pretty justified given the evidence that they had.BigNorseWolf2012-06-14T23:34:24ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?TwilightKnighthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#92012-06-14T23:31:38Z2012-06-14T23:31:38Z<p>As is the case with most, my paladin has decided to forgo some prestige for the sake of avoiding questionable missions. I also have a couple of characters that have prejudices against a rival nation. There are a few missions that include in/directly assisting that rival faction. They have/will refuse to do so. One character has gone as far as to refuse healing, amongst other types of help, from characters who are of that ethnicity or national affiliation.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fromper wrote:</div><blockquote>There were two Andorans at the table who had no such moral dilemma, though, so the mission still got done, and I still ended up with full PA.</blockquote><p>This has always stuck me as odd. IMO, the point of prestige is a reward for doing something notable in service of your faction. If you are refusing to complete a mission, why would you earn any prestige even though the task was complete by allies? I'm not saying we should deny prestige for those who try, but lack the appropriate skills and the mission is completed for them, just saying intentionally not participating should not award any prestige.As is the case with most, my paladin has decided to forgo some prestige for the sake of avoiding questionable missions. I also have a couple of characters that have prejudices against a rival nation. There are a few missions that include in/directly assisting that rival faction. They have/will refuse to do so. One character has gone as far as to refuse healing, amongst other types of help, from characters who are of that ethnicity or national affiliation.
Fromper wrote:There were two...TwilightKnight2012-06-14T23:31:38ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Sanakht Inaroshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#82012-06-14T22:17:40Z2012-06-14T22:17:40Z<p>My fighter has done so several times. If she didn't see her faction mission having anything to do with the actual mission...</p>My fighter has done so several times. If she didn't see her faction mission having anything to do with the actual mission...Sanakht Inaros2012-06-14T22:17:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?LordGolemhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#72013-06-16T15:11:21Z2012-06-14T21:27:55Z<p>My GF refused a Taldor mission because she felt her character would be outraged at the request (I don't remember what it was). She hated Taldor after that and changed factions as soon as allowed.</p>My GF refused a Taldor mission because she felt her character would be outraged at the request (I don't remember what it was). She hated Taldor after that and changed factions as soon as allowed.LordGolem2012-06-14T21:27:55ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Euanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#62012-06-14T21:20:02Z2012-06-14T21:20:02Z<p>I've intentionally skipped missions that didn't mesh with my character's, er, character. Not necessarily on moral grounds, but just because the mission was something my character wouldn't care to do.</p>
<p>My characters are more important than my PA. :)</p>
<p>...that said, I had a great time getting beat-up for the greater glory of Taldor!</p>I've intentionally skipped missions that didn't mesh with my character's, er, character. Not necessarily on moral grounds, but just because the mission was something my character wouldn't care to do.
My characters are more important than my PA. :)
...that said, I had a great time getting beat-up for the greater glory of Taldor!Euan2012-06-14T21:20:02ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Desh Silversun (alias of BRYAN MOORE)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#52012-06-14T21:15:57Z2012-06-14T21:15:57Z<p>i've come across a few my character or table partner just could not accomplish- either by lack of skill ranks or from bad rolls...</p>
<p>but to activly NOT do a faction mission... HHHHMMMMMMmmmmm >)</p>
<p>that could prove just jarring for some people to make things interesting..
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I often feel like some of the season 1&2 scenarios are somewhat 'held up' in the story because someone/DM feels like they HAVE to accomplish their mission... </p>
<p>perhaps(if it doesent directly effect the scenario at large) I shall attempt this endevor....!</p>i've come across a few my character or table partner just could not accomplish- either by lack of skill ranks or from bad rolls...
but to activly NOT do a faction mission... HHHHMMMMMMmmmmm >)
that could prove just jarring for some people to make things interesting..
I often feel like some of the season 1&2 scenarios are somewhat 'held up' in the story because someone/DM feels like they HAVE to accomplish their mission...
perhaps(if it doesent directly effect the scenario at large) I shall...Desh Silversun (alias of BRYAN MOORE)2012-06-14T21:15:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Belafonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#42012-06-14T21:06:35Z2012-06-14T21:06:35Z<p>Absolutely. Any lawful character is going to have problems with some mission in seasons 0-2 at some point, regardless of faction. Whether it's Baron Steal-Crap-for-Me, Captain Assassinate-Someone, or any of the multitude of "plant false information" missions, you really have to consider if it's stretching too far outside your character's moral boundaries.</p>Absolutely. Any lawful character is going to have problems with some mission in seasons 0-2 at some point, regardless of faction. Whether it's Baron Steal-Crap-for-Me, Captain Assassinate-Someone, or any of the multitude of "plant false information" missions, you really have to consider if it's stretching too far outside your character's moral boundaries.Belafon2012-06-14T21:06:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Ever had a character refuse a faction mission?Eric Clingenpeelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa95?Ever-had-a-character-refuse-a-faction-mission#32012-06-14T20:06:47Z2012-06-14T20:06:47Z<p>Yeah, a paladin in one of my groups occasionally refuses to do part of his mission. He's Silver Crusade, and there are some questionable older faction missions for Andoran that doesn't set well with many paladins.</p>
<p>Back when my Magus was in Qadira, he didn't really refuse missions, but many were impossible for him to complete, but thankfully others were also Qadiran and were able to do them.</p>Yeah, a paladin in one of my groups occasionally refuses to do part of his mission. He's Silver Crusade, and there are some questionable older faction missions for Andoran that doesn't set well with many paladins.
Back when my Magus was in Qadira, he didn't really refuse missions, but many were impossible for him to complete, but thankfully others were also Qadiran and were able to do them.Eric Clingenpeel2012-06-14T20:06:47Z