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ARG Discussion: Did elves get adequate treatment?


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Discuss.


The PDF isn't out yet! (But... yes. I hope so. I've no interest in the non-core races. I just want to see the core races get some more options.)

Silver Crusade

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I'm sad that there's no "Fabulous" Bard archetype for Elves. Otherwise, it's a great book.


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The REAL question is: Did DWARVES get adequate treatment?

I'm quite sure the gnomes did.


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The Forgemaster dorf archetype is awesome.


Foghammer wrote:

The REAL question is: Did DWARVES get adequate treatment?

I'm quite sure the gnomes did.

Until Gnomes get an option to replace the CHA bonus with INT, then the Gnomes will not have been adequately treated. Once that happens, they will finally have a place that is not infinitely better covered by Halflings.


I have a feeling the OP's answer is "No".


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Serisan wrote:
Foghammer wrote:

The REAL question is: Did DWARVES get adequate treatment?

I'm quite sure the gnomes did.

Until Gnomes get an option to replace the CHA bonus with INT, then the Gnomes will not have been adequately treated. Once that happens, they will finally have a place that is not infinitely better covered by Halflings.

lol

Odraude wrote:
I have a feeling the OP's answer is "No".

Well, maybe if he gave some actual criteria, we could answer it better. "Adequate treatment"? Well yes, duh. They get 10 pages worth of material, just like all the other core races do.

They get quite a few nice things, especially for casters.


Elves got the AMAZING druid options we saw in the Blog Post weeks ago. That alone did it for me.

Also:

Serisan wrote:
Until Gnomes get an option to replace the CHA bonus with INT, then the Gnomes will not have been adequately treated. Once that happens, they will finally have a place that is not infinitely better covered by Halflings.

lol (<3 Cheapy)

Grand Lodge

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Elves get a wizard archetype (Spell Binder) that can switch out a prepared spell for one of a limited number of "bonded spells" as a full-round action.

Spell Dancer is a Magus Archetype that trades Medium and Heavy armor for +2 then +4 to AC in light armor, and subs out weapon enhancement bonuses for an activated mode that lets him use fly, blur, haste, and d-door as SLAs.

For alternate racial traits, the only ones that stand out to me are trading weapon familiarity for +2 to combat casting, and trading low-light vision to get darkvision 60 and light sensitivity.


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Fleet-footed is a wonderful alternate racial trait, especially for those who won't be using the elven weapons anyways.


Any new nice racial elven feat that would be appropriate for Elven Archeologist Bard skill-monkey/treasure hunter?


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Feats weren't the best for the elves. All but one build off a feat that attunes you to the wild (basically, you naturally heal better there in a type of land listed in favored terrain). Granted, the feats later on are actually fairly powerful, but they are restricted to favored terrain.


Meh, I hoped for something for more civilized elves instead of tree-huggers - the later already got the great toy of Plant Companion for druids.


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There's an Urbanite alt racial trait, but I doubt you'd take it.


Cheapy wrote:
There's an Urbanite alt racial trait, but I doubt you'd take it.

It does not sound elven, more like elvish...


So, do the rules say race-specific classes and abilities can be taught by members of those races with those abilities to members of other races?

Or does super sparkle magic prohibit humans from knowing what a leaf is?

Silver Crusade

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"The following options are available to <RACE>. At the GM’s
discretion, other appropriate races may also make use of
some of these."

Grand Lodge

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Yeah, apparently elves are the only ones who are supposed to know how to keep their food away from the wildlife.


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Page 9 and to a lesser extent 8 explain everything. And saying that only elves can keep their food away from the wildlife is a flat-out lie.


Does the book actually say this? I'm not surprised if it is. This kind of stuff is typical of elf racial writeups.

Grand Lodge

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Cheapy wrote:
Page 9 and to a lesser extent 8 explain everything. And saying that only elves can keep their food away from the wildlife is a flat-out lie.

Or /sarcasm. I was just making fun of the fact that a bag on a rope flung over a tree branch is listed as an elf item and that other races can only use it at GM discretion.

Also it's pretty silly that there's a specific item for this when almost every adventurer ever has the equipment at hand to do it anyway.


What happens if you hand it to a gnome? Does the gnome just look at it confusedly, shrug and give up?


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The majority of items in the book are available on the open market and anyone can use them. The book makes this clear. The ones that aren't are almost always alchemical items that only affect a specific race.

Grand Lodge

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Cheapy wrote:
The majority of items in the book are available on the open market and anyone can use them. The book makes this clear. The ones that aren't are almost always alchemical items that only affect a specific race.

I'm with you, but it uses terms like "often" and "many" and doesn't spell out exactly which things are supposed to be usable by other races. Which means somewhere, sometime, some GM will prohibit a human from using a bear bag because it's in the elf section.

Which makes me laugh.

Silver Crusade

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You don't need a book to be a dumb GM.


Any clue what the Elven Battle Training ( or some such ) Feat works?


Did the dhampir get an alt. racial trait that involves their vampiric parents bloodlust?!?


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They can get fangs...


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Bladesinger wrote:
Any clue what the Elven Battle Training ( or some such ) Feat works?

Bonuses to keeping it in your hands, and extra AoOs.


Cheapy wrote:
They can get fangs...

Bite attack? CON DRAIN?! ULTIMATE VAMPIRE TRANSFORMATION!?!?!

My dhampir alchemist has fangs by fluff, just wondering if it's worth the cost (feat? trait?)


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ThatEvilGuy wrote:
Cheapy wrote:
They can get fangs...

Bite attack? CON DRAIN?! ULTIMATE VAMPIRE TRANSFORMATION!?!?!

None of the above?

Think of how the vampires have used their fangs in the quality novels and movies. Now think of how to best transfer that to the game. They didn't use their fangs as a furious bite attack.


Hmm.

Helpless (/willing?) living creature + fangs = healing/nourishment.


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Close enough. No healing, but also works on grappling.

reads the feats

Oh, you can augment that alt racial trait.


Cool! The 20th can't come soon enough.

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Didn't look too closely at the Spelldancer at first, but noting the dimension door SLA means we've got elf magi pulling a Nightcrawler with the Dimensional Agility chain, yar? I lost track of the final ruling on the Dimensional Agility threads. If the SLA qualifies, then it's *bamf* time for the elf magus!


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SLAs are not spells.


True, but I'm sure most GMs who aren't PFS would allow it. I would. Probably.


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I look at Dimensional Agility and its requirement is "ability to use abundant step or cast dimension door." It does not specify that it only works with dimension door cast as a spell. Spell-like ablity activation still probably qualifies as casting.

I'd love to see Spell Dancer.


Nightcrawler-esque PCs?

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Umbral Reaver wrote:
What happens if you hand it to a gnome? Does the gnome just look at it confusedly, shrug and give up?

No, the gnome climbs into the bag and then you can hang him in the tree. :-)


Matthew Morris wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
What happens if you hand it to a gnome? Does the gnome just look at it confusedly, shrug and give up?
No, the gnome climbs into the bag and then you can hang him in the tree. :-)

Can we be best friends?

EDIT: I just realized that you probably didn't mean for that to sound as malevolent as I thought you did.

Shadow Lodge

Foghammer wrote:

Nightcrawler-esque PCs?

Life is complete.

As long as it's fun fuzzy-elf swashbuckler Nightcrawler, and not dour zealot Nightcrawler.


I prefer up-beat, optimistic Kurt to the Sony Pictures version.

Andoran

only one non-humaniod in the lot and that one get a third level spell to make it humaniod shape


How were Changlings handled? I'll be running a changeling cleric in our next campaign and was wondering if I'll need this book?


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Any new Witch archtypes except for the Changeling one they previewed?

Anything good for an elven witch?

Andoran

half-elf, orc (con base witch), and changeling witch. not much love here. Several Alchamist, Oracles, Magus, and Gunslingers.


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Bavin Badgerheart wrote:
half-elf, orc (con base witch), and changeling witch.

Thanks Bavin!


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Michaelsaurus Rex wrote:
How were Changlings handled? I'll be running a changeling cleric in our next campaign and was wondering if I'll need this book?

Changelings now have two claws, after the error in the Haunting of Harrowstone was fixed :D

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