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In PFS can an Alchemist detect magic?


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Qadira ***

Basicly what the subject says....

is there a PFS legal way for an Alchemist to detect magic?

Thanks in advance!

Silver Crusade ***** Venture-Captain, Vermont—Brattleboro aka ElyasRavenwood

Yep, I have a character who is a 2nd level rogue and an 8th level Alchemist.

My character has purchased a wand of Detect magic, and he uses his UMD to activate it.

That's how I do Detect Magic.

Osirion **

nosig wrote:

Basicly what the subject says....

is there a PFS legal way for an Alchemist to detect magic?

Thanks in advance!

I hear a hat of disguise lets you cast detect magic at will.....

<_<

>_>

Qadira ** RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

Alchemists have to use identify or Use Magic Device with a wand.

I generally leave an extract open for utility use like that.

Not really a PFS question.

Qadira ***

Thanks for the reply Miles.
and you too dennis & sorry dennis, I needed it for my PFS Alchemist, and wanted to know if there was a way in PFS to get Detect Magic (Something like a Cracked OrangePrism Ioun Stone - that adds a 0-level spell to those known or prepared). I was directing it as a PFS question so that I don't get the stock "do this, if it's ok with your DM" that I get over on the generic board. That or useless suggestions...

Andoran **

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Card Game, Companion, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

What race? There is the Arcane Talent feat, which is PFS legal, but requires you be an elf, half-elf or gnome...

Qadira ***

Shisumo wrote:
What race? There is the Arcane Talent feat, which is PFS legal, but requires you be an elf, half-elf or gnome...

And this gentle-people is why I bring my PFS questions here! wo-ho! He's an Elf.

THANK YOU Shisumo!

which book is it from?

EDIT: found it in the APG :(
sigh, it requires a 10 CHA, and my Alchemist has less than that. Anyone else have any suggestions?

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Alma

APG Arcane Talent

Qadira ***

Shisumo - you got me thinking about feats/traits again and I went looking and found the trait "Magical Talent" in the APG.
It gives one use per day of a cantrip as a spell-like-ability... would that enable a PC to use a wand of the spell? Spell-like-ability and having the spell on your spell list is two different things I think... so maybe not.

Silver Crusade **

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber

Get a Charisma of 10?

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Alma

The only other way without rebuilding is the Identify extract. It works as detect magic.

Qadira ***

FallofCamelot wrote:
Get a Charisma of 10?

nah, the character is built with a sub-par Char intentionally. RP reasons, I like to play him as socially stunted - he smells funny (Always uses Vermin Repelent - very afread of bugs), ... so buying an Ioun Stone to get the Char is not going to work. Maybe a Ring of Spell Storing?

Qadira ***

Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
The only other way without rebuilding is the Identify extract. It works as detect magic.

LOL! the only way I KNOW,... but even that's not true now thanks to Shisumo - the trait "Magical Talent" in the APG would give it to him, and the feat Extra Traits would give him that... and another Trait.

Does having a spell like ability let you use Spell trigger items (wands) of that spell?

Andoran *****

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
nosig wrote:

Thanks for the reply Miles.

and you too dennis & sorry dennis, I needed it for my PFS Alchemist, and wanted to know if there was a way in PFS to get Detect Magic (Something like a Cracked OrangePrism Ioun Stone - that adds a 0-level spell to those known or prepared). I was directing it as a PFS question so that I don't get the stock "do this, if it's ok with your DM" that I get over on the generic board. That or useless suggestions...

Nosig, Because you don't like some of the answers you get in the rules forums, does not mean it belongs here.

Mike has told you that before....

Nosig, please in the future as a courtesy to the Forums, post your Threads in their proper location.

Or at least make a stronger argument on why it should be in the PFS forums :)

Silver Crusade **

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Dragnmoon wrote:
nosig wrote:

Thanks for the reply Miles.

and you too dennis & sorry dennis, I needed it for my PFS Alchemist, and wanted to know if there was a way in PFS to get Detect Magic (Something like a Cracked OrangePrism Ioun Stone - that adds a 0-level spell to those known or prepared). I was directing it as a PFS question so that I don't get the stock "do this, if it's ok with your DM" that I get over on the generic board. That or useless suggestions...

Nosig, Because you don't like some of the answers you get in the rules forums, does not mean it belongs here.

Mike has told you that before....

Nosig, please in the future as a courtesy to the Forums, post your Threads in their proper location.

Or at least make a stronger argument on why it should be in the PFS forums :)

Mike said if it ends up a rules debate. They have also acknowledged that the rules forum doesn't give RAW or RAI answers, they give "at my table" answers. Just because you don't like some threads, doesn't mean you need to read them and complain about them...

Qadira ** RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

In PFS, do plaids go together with polka dots?
In PFS, what temperature does water boil?
In PFS, does the earth revolve around the sun?

Most important:
In PFS, is it cool to make off topic posts if I prefix them with "In PFS..."?

Silver Crusade **

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Dennis Baker wrote:

In PFS, do plaids go together with polka dots?

In PFS, what temperature does water boil?
In PFS, does the earth revolve around the sun?

Most important:
In PFS, is it cool to make off topic posts if I prefix them with "In PFS..."?

1) Only if a court bard.

2) It boils at whatever temp the wizard tells it to boil at.
3) No. Golarion does, however.

4) Darn right.


nosig wrote:
Does having a spell like ability let you use Spell trigger items (wands) of that spell?

No, but Use Magic Device does, and that's a class skill for you. Since you're presumably doing this out of combat, you don't even need to be that great at it; you just have to succeed before you roll a nat 1.

Grand Lodge

Strangely enough, I was looking this up, and I noticed you'd asked a similar question before on the Rules Forums... http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/rules/canAnAlchemistUseAWand

As you found out there, an Alchemist has the specific ability to activate Wands that appear on his or her formulae list (this is, as opposed to almost all other Caster classes, who can use any Wand that has a spell which simply appears on their class spell list).

So my advice? Get a Wand of Identify for 2 PP or 750 GP. It will give you 50 castings of Identify (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/i/identify), much in the same way I hope you already bought your Wand of Cure Light Wounds (and I hope you put both of those spells on your formulae list so you can use said wands - if not, I suggest you go spend some time in a scenario learning those spells).

Since I know the next inevitable question is going to be "how do I learn new formulae without having to level up and use up the formulae-learned-slot gained from a level up", here are the rules for adding new spells to your spellbook: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Adding-Spells-to-a-Wizard-s-Spellbo

Keep in mind too that the Alchemist's text specifically says that an Alchemist can add formulae to his or her formulae book the same way a Wizard adds spells to their spellbook.

I know the next question will be how do you do this in Organized Play. The answer is that you should consult your GM. You should ask and arrange with your GM that, at either the end or beginning of your scenario, you should get a chance to make a Spellcraft Check to add spells to your spellbook (or rather, formulae to your formulae book) using the rules linked above (spending the necessary GP and time and whatnot). The GM should observe the roll, and if you are successful, he or she adds that you learned those spells to your formulae book on the Scenario Chronicle Sheet.

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

zean wrote:
As you found out there, an Alchemist has the specific ability to activate Wands that appear on his or her formulae list (this is, as opposed to almost all other Caster classes, who can use any Wand that has a spell which simply appears on their class spell list).

You appear to be confusing formulae list with formulae book.

Grand Lodge

Oh, is that how it works. Well dang. That makes a lot of my post seem silly now. :/ I'm a derp.

Grand Lodge

Regardless, go get some wands. That fixes everything.

Qadira ***

As was pointed out to me earlier in this thread, I should not have posted this on the PFS board...

What I should have said was...
"Is there any way unique to PFS that would allow an Alchemist to cast Detect Magic that I am unawair of?"

as I was looking for a PFS ruleing or something that said an Alchemist could cast Detect Magic. I thought I had been told by an "older, higher level" alchemist PC that my PC could cast Detect Magic... and I was checking to see if there was something I had missed. I have sense concluded that I had mis-understood the other player, and I had thought that this thread had died.

Thank you all for your time...

(hellknight in dark glasses)
"Nothing to see here folk, move along"

Shadow Lodge *

Thread necromancy powers, activate!

Form of, Cloak of the Hedge Wizard, divination!

Comes with a side order of the BEST SPELL EVAR, prestidigitation.

Andoran ***

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Card Game, Companion, Modules Subscriber

Actually, I believe there is a vanity wayfinder that subs in Detect Magic for Light, so there you go...

Grand Lodge *** Venture-Captain, Netherlands—Leiden

kinevon wrote:
Actually, I believe there is a vanity wayfinder that subs in Detect Magic for Light, so there you go...

Indeed, from the

Pathfinder Society Primer

Discerning (5 PP): This wayfinder functions as normal, except the user can cast detect magic at will in place of light.

Andoran ***

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Card Game, Companion, Modules Subscriber
Auke Teeninga wrote:
kinevon wrote:
Actually, I believe there is a vanity wayfinder that subs in Detect Magic for Light, so there you go...

Indeed, from the

Pathfinder Society Primer

Discerning (5 PP): This wayfinder functions as normal, except the user can cast detect magic at will in place of light.

I have a Lore Warden with Spellcraft traioned, who I am thinking about getting this for him....

Then again, Lore Wardens break a lot of "SOP" for Fighters, anyhow.

** RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

kinevon wrote:
Auke Teeninga wrote:
kinevon wrote:
Actually, I believe there is a vanity wayfinder that subs in Detect Magic for Light, so there you go...

Indeed, from the

Pathfinder Society Primer

Discerning (5 PP): This wayfinder functions as normal, except the user can cast detect magic at will in place of light.

I have a Lore Warden with Spellcraft traioned, who I am thinking about getting this for him....

Then again, Lore Wardens break a lot of "SOP" for Fighters, anyhow.

I'm planning on doing the same thing with my 16 Int Lore Warden archer. Between identifying magic items and attempting all the Knowledge and Linguistic checks, I want to see how many times I can make the GM say "Aren't you a Fighter?"

Osirion ****

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Tales Subscriber

Elves of Golarion has an option. {discounted PDF this month}

Elf Racial Traits wrote:


Arcane Dabbler: Though your magical studies were decades ago, you still remember your favorite little trick.
Choose a 0-level arcane spell. You may cast that spell once per day as a spell-like ability. Your caster level is equal to your highest class level in a spellcasting class; if you have no caster level, it functions at CL 1st. The spell-like ability’s save DC is Intelligence- or Charisma-based (chosen when you select this trait).

Cheliax *

cloak of t the hedge wizard ( divination) will let you detect magic at will

or there's a wayfinder that can do it

Shadow Lodge ***

You're a day late and a dollar short. :P

There's that Rogue Talent "minor magic" that will let you do it 3/day. There's the "Envoy" elf alternate racial trait that will let you do it once per day.

Osirion *

Pathfinder Card Game Subscriber

One of the advantages of an upvote / downvote thread is that helpful answers like the one provided by Auke Teeninga can rise to the to while people whining about others asking question can sink to the bottom where they belong.

Qadira ***

wow... a lot of my old threads keep popping up...
what's up with that?

Shadow Lodge *

nosig wrote:

wow... a lot of my old threads keep popping up...

what's up with that?

I'll be honest, you made mention of your "beguiling gift + metal shield = ex-druid" thread (I mean, I have all this popcorn), and I spotted this while going through your thread history looking for that one.

Anyways, I've got an alchemist that I had pick up the cloak of the hedge wizard just for this reason, so I thought I'd throw that out there, in case someone else was looking for the same thing.

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