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Silver Crusade 2/5

Somewhat related question. I just recently started GMing PFS games. If I run a higher-tier game (3-4 in a 3-7 in this case), can I apply the GM credit to a level 1 character in the same way as if it were a pregen credit? (500 gp etc.) Or is that not an option with GM credit?

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

Joe M. wrote:
Somewhat related question. I just recently started GMing PFS games. If I run a higher-tier game (3-4 in a 3-7 in this case), can I apply the GM credit to a level 1 character in the same way as if it were a pregen credit? (500 gp etc.) Or is that not an option with GM credit?

That's not an option currently provided for by the campaign rules.

Grand Lodge

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Dragnmoon wrote:
pathar wrote:
A GM at the game tonight suggested that I would get the XP, the PP, and the capped gold, but no other chronicle benefits. Is there an official ruling on this somewhere?

There is no rule supporting your GM claim. The rule is exactly as stated, everything else follows normal Chronicle sheet Rules, which means you get the Boon and access to the items.

That said if you are taking the option to wait until the character gains the level of the scenario, you won't get the boons and access to the items until then.

The GM could very well be right. If the chronicle is for a 7-11th level game, the XP, the PP, and the capped Gold, are going to be the only things a 1st level character can be eligible to collect.

5/5

LazarX wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
pathar wrote:
A GM at the game tonight suggested that I would get the XP, the PP, and the capped gold, but no other chronicle benefits. Is there an official ruling on this somewhere?

There is no rule supporting your GM claim. The rule is exactly as stated, everything else follows normal Chronicle sheet Rules, which means you get the Boon and access to the items.

That said if you are taking the option to wait until the character gains the level of the scenario, you won't get the boons and access to the items until then.

The GM could very well be right. If the chronicle is for a 7-11th level game, the XP, the PP, and the capped Gold, are going to be the only things a 1st level character can be eligible to collect.

It was clarified here that people using a pregen chronicle capped for a L1 character still get access to the boons/items at the tier they played.

Silver Crusade 2/5

Paz wrote:
Joe M. wrote:
Somewhat related question. I just recently started GMing PFS games. If I run a higher-tier game (3-4 in a 3-7 in this case), can I apply the GM credit to a level 1 character in the same way as if it were a pregen credit? (500 gp etc.) Or is that not an option with GM credit?
That's not an option currently provided for by the campaign rules.

Thanks! I was afraid of that when I didn't find it easily in the guide. Oh well.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Etelnir wrote:

One quick question.

If I played with a pregen a module tier 2-4 and I want to apply to a 2nd level character ... a character playing a scenario PBP online ... May I apply it when this scenario PBP ends?

If you played a PFS game with a pregen, you can apply credit when your character reaches the level of the pregen. Since a standard PFS pregen eligible to play this module would have been 4th level, you can't apply credit to a 2nd or 3rd level character.


I recently opted to play a 5-9 game with a pregen, because I felt my paladin lvl 6 might risk an atonement if I role played my char through the scenario. I was told by the DM that I could not appy the chronicle to my paladin when he reached lvl 7 because I had a character that could play the scenario and that I could only apply the credit to a lvl 1. I did not agree with the interpretation but I didn't want to hold up the game while trying to get clarification or arguing the issue.

So question, is this true and if so this seems to nullify a lot of people from applying credit to higher level characters if they have multiple char. At different levels., they only ever be Able to apply them to lvl 1's

5/5

Etelnir wrote:

Starglim ... where is this rule? I think is the tier of the chronicle that matters not level of pregen ¿?

It's in the Guide...

Guide pg 6 wrote:

If you play

a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you apply the
credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level
of the pregenerated character played.

Starglim had it right.

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Gnslngr13 wrote:

I recently opted to play a 5-9 game with a pregen, because I felt my paladin lvl 6 might risk an atonement if I role played my char through the scenario. I was told by the DM that I could not appy the chronicle to my paladin when he reached lvl 7 because I had a character that could play the scenario and that I could only apply the credit to a lvl 1. I did not agree with the interpretation but I didn't want to hold up the game while trying to get clarification or arguing the issue.

So question, is this true and if so this seems to nullify a lot of people from applying credit to higher level characters if they have multiple char. At different levels., they only ever be Able to apply them to lvl 1's

It is an incorrect rule adjudication. The sentence past the one I quoted for Etelnir in the Guide...

Guide pg 6 wrote:

You may not apply

a Chronicle sheet earned with a pregenerated character
to a character that was already at the
level of the pregenerated character or
higher, as you should have used this
character for the scenario instead.

So, as long as the character is lower level than the pregen, you are fine to hold the credit for them currently.

5/5

Etelnir wrote:

ok, thanks everybody! I was seeking in chapter 6!!

Perhaps I was confused for GM applying credit ... because in that situation is the tier that matters, isn´t it?

Yeah, GM credit was to be applied as soon as you leveled into the chronicle sheet.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Gnslngr13 wrote:

I recently opted to play a 5-9 game with a pregen, because I felt my paladin lvl 6 might risk an atonement if I role played my char through the scenario. I was told by the DM that I could not appy the chronicle to my paladin when he reached lvl 7 because I had a character that could play the scenario and that I could only apply the credit to a lvl 1. I did not agree with the interpretation but I didn't want to hold up the game while trying to get clarification or arguing the issue.

So question, is this true and if so this seems to nullify a lot of people from applying credit to higher level characters if they have multiple char. At different levels., they only ever be Able to apply them to lvl 1's

Your GM is correct, if you play a pregen you cannot apply it to a character that could have otherwise played in the scenario. In this case, since you are playing a level 7 pregen in a 5-9 scenario, you cannot apply that pregen credit to any of your PC's that are levels 5-9. I will provide support from the guide as soon as I am able as I am getting ready for work.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

The rule is:

Quote:
You may not apply a Chronicle sheet earned with a pregenerated character to a character that was already at the level of the pregenerated character or higher, as you should have used this character for the scenario instead.

So you if you're playing a 7th-level pregen in a tier 5-9 scenario, you can't assign the chronicle to a 7th-9th-level PC, but you can assign it to a 5th/6th-level (or lower) PC, to be applied as soon as the PC reaches 7th-level.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

Paz wrote:
The rule is:
Quote:
You may not apply a Chronicle sheet earned with a pregenerated character to a character that was already at the level of the pregenerated character or higher, as you should have used this character for the scenario instead.
So you if you're playing a 7th-level pregen in a tier 5-9 scenario, you can't assign the chronicle to a 7th-9th-level PC, but you can assign it to a 5th/6th-level (or lower) PC, to be applied as soon as the PC reaches 7th-level.

RAW: Yes, because it says level, not tier.

RAI: No, the rule is meant to prevent people from playing pregens to reduce the risk to a certain character, but still reap the rewards for that character.

5/5

Auke Teeninga wrote:
Paz wrote:
The rule is:
Quote:
You may not apply a Chronicle sheet earned with a pregenerated character to a character that was already at the level of the pregenerated character or higher, as you should have used this character for the scenario instead.
So you if you're playing a 7th-level pregen in a tier 5-9 scenario, you can't assign the chronicle to a 7th-9th-level PC, but you can assign it to a 5th/6th-level (or lower) PC, to be applied as soon as the PC reaches 7th-level.

RAW: Yes, because it says level, not tier.

RAI: No, the rule is meant to prevent people from playing pregens to reduce the risk to a certain character, but still reap the rewards for that character.

If that truly is RAI, then I suggest they change the word from level to tier. It's been RAW for the last few seasons, and if RAI didn't match I would have assumed they'd have changed the language in one of the iterations.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Yeah, okay, I just had a chance to go back and look at the guide, and I was mistaken about what the guide says about that.

I do agree with Auke though. A person shouldn't be able to choose not to play their character in a scenario because that scenario would provide issues for their character, play a higher level pregen, and then turn around and give that chronicle to the character that could've played but didn't. But, that's just my opinion.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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UndeadMitch wrote:

Yeah, okay, I just had a chance to go back and look at the guide, and I was mistaken about what the guide says about that.

I do agree with Auke though. A person shouldn't be able to choose not to play their character in a scenario because that scenario would provide issues for their character, play a higher level pregen, and then turn around and give that chronicle to the character that could've played but didn't. But, that's just my opinion.

You two might want to look around, because RAW and RAI actually match on this, per past posts from Mike Brock.

There are several situations where someone might not be able to play an in-tier PC, but want to assign the chronicle to said PC.

Some examples:
Player only brought PC 1 with him, but the table becomes a different scenario, or some such, where PC 1 is not eligible, but no paperwork is available for other PCs.

Player brought Barbarian 1, and the table consists of all melee types. He "sacrifices" playing his own PC to run Kyra to give the table some healing and breadth.

Player gets out of work early, no PFS materials with him, but stops at the store, and finds a game just getting started.

Or, the iconic reason, which is to try out a non-1st level pregen of a new class (to him) to see if he might want to run a PC of that class, later.

Before you denigrate the idea about having only brought one PC with him, I tend to do that, these days, because otherwise my bag weighs more than it does when I GM. I have 30+ registered PCs, from level 1 to level 14, and they take up quite a bit of room in my bag,. and add a significant amount of weight, even though they only have the relevant sections of the non-Core books needed for the rules they use, and their character sheets, chronicle sheets, and, for the higher level PCs, sheet holders to protect said documents. After all, if I ma not going to play the PC I signed up with, which one of my other PCs in level would I be playing?

Silver Crusade 5/5

Well, here's the thing, it's my opinion, so whatever. If you would check the post above before blindly jumping down my throat, the situation mentioned that I quoted above was a person wanting to play a pregen instead of their Paladin so they wouldn't have to worry about it falling, but they still wanted the paladin to get the rewards for the scenario. And honestly, the other reasons you've given aren't all that compelling.

And as a side note, if your bag is that ungainly, you might want to look into some alternative methods to maintaining your characters.

Grand Lodge 4/5

UndeadMitch wrote:

Well, here's the thing, it's my opinion, so whatever. If you would check the post above before blindly jumping down my throat, the situation mentioned that I quoted above was a person wanting to play a pregen instead of their Paladin so they wouldn't have to worry about it falling, but they still wanted the paladin to get the rewards for the scenario. And honestly, the other reasons you've given aren't all that compelling.

And as a side note, if your bag is that ungainly, you might want to look into some alternative methods to maintaining your characters.

Well, let's see. Campaign leaders say you have to have paper records for use at face-to-face games, so electronic copies are, effectively, out.

I use a wheeled backpack, so I don't hurt my back any worse than it already is, but that limits how much volume I have to work with.

I use public transportation, because I no longer have a car of my own, which limits the weight I can manage.

So, between the size of my backpack, and the fun of getting stuff onto and off of the buses I have to take to the game store, I am limited in carrying capacity.

For lower levels, where the PCs are still in two-pocket folders, I can sometimes carry multiple PCs with me. For higher levels, it gets harder, since you are talking multiple page character sheets, lots of chronicles, and a fair assortment of Additional Resources material. Along with dice, notepaper, the Paizo Character Record booklet, my CRB and, possibly, Bestiary; a blank flip-map, combat pad, minis for my PCs, etc.

It adds up, even when I try to trim my bag. I just pulled a bunch of stuff out, the maps and folder for the Silverhex Chronicles, since I just ran them last Saturday, and next Saturday is going to be level 3 of Emerald Spire, so a lot less in the way of maps. But, for GMing, that adds in my copies of the pregens, my copy of the Guide, although I carry that all the time, Additional Resources (usually older, electronic for the latest version), basic animal printouts, my session sngn-in sheets, spare PFS ID cards for newbies, extra dice, yadda yadda yadda.

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