Another Justice

[the Lorax]

I was just considering what I want to do once my players hit Magnimar.
We only get to see one "Justice", Ironbriar.

I'd like to have the players encounter another Justice, for a number of reasons.

1. To portray the fact that most of the Justices are corrupt in some way.
2. To make Ironbriar look (at first) to be "good" incomparison.
3. So that Ironbriar is not the only Justice that they get to meet.

I'd like to associate another Justice with a sin, and not Greed.

Does anyone have some thoughts or ideas on this?
Something that they did in their campaign or in Shattered Star?

[Aurelio 90]

A corrupt Justice? Maybe one of them is on the Sczarni's payroll; another might be to Thrune agent sent by Her Infernal Majesrtix to spy the city under a false identity; and another can be may be a relative of the mayor and who, like him, benefiting his friends (especially merchants) in many cases instead of being neutral and fair.

[the Lorax]

Thanks Aurelio.
Perhaps I should add bit more of the surrounding picture.
I am running this in my homebrew, so many of the proper nouns have been altered, but I'll use the AP versions here.
Tsuto, Orik and the not quite killed by the Slashing trap Shoanti barbarian were captured.
Tsuto being a recognized member of an aristocratic family, demanded that his case be heard in a High Court (in Magnimar).
Hemlock, in an effort to put the goblin invasion behind the town was all to happy to ship the 3 of them to Magnimar, expressing relief to the PCs that Justice Ironbriar would be handling the case.
In an effort to continue to sell the idea that Ironbriar = Good guy, I want to present at least one other Justice (perhaps as I run the PCs through Scarlet Son) who IS less than entirely savory. I may also be working up to running the "Lyrie Scenario" as she got away, but probably AFTER Skinsaw plays out, before moving on to Hook Mountain.
I'd really like to keep with the idea of Sin motivated people in this AP, and while I don't need any other Justices presented as an aversary, I just want Ironbriar to come off looking pretty decent in comparison.
I'd like to use a different sin than Greed, and Naulia represented Wrath pretty well.
So, a Justice on the take of the Sczarni is probably a given, but not necessarily what I want to represent - too close to Greed unless the Sczarni are supplying him with the means to indulge a different sin.
A Thrune Agent? No such place here, and the closest possible place to simulate it really has bigger problems at the moment, theoretically usable still.
A relative of the Mayor, now that is pretty workable, could be Sloth (lazy and incompitent), Pride (callous and indifferent), could be Envy (looking to undermine the mayor and other Justices)...
Any other thoughts?

[Aurelio 90]

Uhm, I now understand. See this:

Lust: The judge may ask the accused or persons close to him, to have sexual favors to mitigate or nullify the judgment. Alternatively, it could threaten his victims of legal repercussions if they refuse to indulge.

Gluttony: It does not mean that it is a greedy only towards food. As Wikipedia says (...) gluttony can be interpreted as selfishness; essentially placing concern with one's own interests above the well-being or interests of others.

Sloth: As I said before, a lazy Justice could not take his job very seriously. Makes mistakes. Sometimes confuses a law to another. Does not pay attention to witnesses. And want to conclude the process as soon as possible.

Wrath/Pride: Do you know Judge Claude Frollo, the main villain of the Disney movie The Hunchback of Notre Dame? Well, he is perfect for these sins. In the lyrics of The Bells of Notre Dame? Clopin says: And he saw corruption/Ev'rywhere/Except within. He is racist, fearmonger and misogynist. He hate gyspy, comparing them to cockroaches; when he sees the mother of Quasimodo escape, he thinks he's taking away the stolen goods (when in fact brings in her arms the infant son), and goes as far as to kill her to snatch what they thought to be stolen; and when he sees the face of the child exclaims "Is a monster!", and would have thrown in a well if the Archdeacon had not stopped. He feels no remorse for what he did (and what they intend to do), until the Archdeacon no creeps in him the fear of God's judgment. And when, years later, becomes infatuated of Esmeralda but she flees from Notre Dame, his obsession is such as to set fire to Paris (and put to death an innocent family locking them inside their home and give it to the flames) just to catch her.

I do not say that your Judge should burn Magnimar (no way!), but as Frollo he can be a racist. It could be a Chelixian that despises Varisians and Shoantis, or a human inflicting severe penalties for non-humans or who appears against his faith. And so "My person is more important of you".

I hope I have helped you. And if it could serve, look here. And do not forget to Law & Order ;)

[the Lorax]

Exactly the type of thing I was thinking of.

As I don't want to go confrontationally villainous, I think that the Sloth works best.

So something like this:

Justice Balderon
Sure he may be a bit on the take from the Sczarni, and haphazard in his investigations, but really he just likes playing Pall Mall, he has an extensive collection of wickets, mallets and balls. He views his duties as a Justice to be an inconvenience to his games, and tries to see cases completed as quickly as possible.

[Razcar]

I did this in our campaign - added another Justice that I introduced to the PCs. I used him as a source of information and as a mover behind the scenes. I also replaced the Lord-Mayor with Barazar in most of Grobaras' appearances, both here and in HMM, to give the mayor a bigger oomph when he did appear (and to make the PCs feel smaller - they're all from Sandpoint and this was their first visit to the Big City).

Spoiler:

The man's name was Justice Barazar, a gaudily dressed and enormously fat fellow, with an intricate mustache that quivered along with his belly when he laughed. I played him as very jovial and friendly, and smart as a whip. Barazar had suspected Ironbriar for some kind of wrongdoings for quite a while, but had no evidence. Yet. When the PCs contacted Ironbriar at the elf's richly decorated office, Barazar saw an opportunity for finding out why Ironbriar had again and again failed to find the "Star-murderer", while refusing all help in the matter.

Barazar's reasons for exposing Ironbriar had (of course) nothing to do with the welfare of the city - he simply coveted Ironbriar's position as Head Justice (which he was in my campaign). He first contacted the PCs by inviting them into his great carriage, and posed as a rich man with many contacts and a concern for the murder-spree the city was suffering. He later appeared a couple of times again, inviting PCs to meet in private rooms at fancy restaurants. In the end Ironbriar tried to frame the PCs for the murders (by placing incriminating evidence in their inn rooms) and Barazar helped them escape the city guards and provided a safe house.

When the PCs found out Ironbriar's role in the happenings Justice Barazar was the one they turned to. At the very end of the scenario, I had a fun scene with the newly appointed Head Justice and the PCs in Ironbriar's old office, servants moving out the old one's belongings ("oh, that's nice, keep that! No, that one you can throw away.") and in with the new.

Sloth would have worked well (even though I didn't use a sin motif in the way you are) - the PCs really did all his work for him.

[the Lorax]

I like Barazar - the theme is nice for the Magnimar of my homebrew.

Again, exactly the type of thing I'm looking for.
Corrupt and self-serving, using the situation for their own ends.

[langen]

The Sloth Justice may just always assign male prisoners to Fort Rannick and female prisoners to the Hells, to use as bargaining chips to keep himself in power.

[langen]

He might even leave the ruling of guilty or innocent up to a jury, so he has to do even less.

[the Lorax]

I've added two Justices, thanks for the input everyone:

Justice Barazon:

I've pretty much swiped this from Razcar entirely - when his agent inside Ironbriar's team got him copies of the paperwork and information that the PCs dropped off at his office, he had them tailed, eventually he met with them secretly, and was eating from a lavish spread. He convinced the PCs to spy upon Ironbriar. I expect it to all play out very similarly.

Justice Faldo:

This is just the renamed (to keep things clear) Justice I postulated above. Sure he may be a bit on the take from the Sczarni, and haphazard in his investigations, but really he just likes playing Pall Mall, he has an extensive collection of wickets, mallets and balls. He views his duties as a Justice to be an inconvenience to his games, and tries to see cases completed as quickly as possible. He wants to separate the murders happening in his districts (the Underbridge) from the greater "star murders" plot (the Scarlet Sun is running concurrently with the Lyrie Scenario and The Seven's Sawmill portion of Skinsaw. The PCs haven't met him yet, I expect they will soon.