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Can you upgrade a headband/belt of one stat to a headband/belt of more stats?
eg. Headband of Alluring Charisma +2 to a Headband of Mental Prowess +2 (Int & Cha).
There's precedent that you can upgrade generic weapons into specific weapons if the specific weapon can do everything the generic one can do, plus more. Just wondering if this could be applied to wondrous items.
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I can't remember where to look it up, but my most recent understanding is that yes, you can do this. Hopefully someone will follow up and cite the right part of the Guide/FAQ for you.
Wondrous items whose names include a +X value (such as bracers of armor, headband of vast intelligence, amulet of might fists, etc.) may also be upgraded following the rules for upgrading magical items on page 19 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
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So would this be legal
Belt of mighty constitution +2 to Belt of dwarven kind?
No, because that wouldn't be an "upgrade", that would be a completely new magical item with completely new spell prerequisites. An upgrade involves increasing the power of a magical item but not changing its basic form or function, such as going from a mw weapon to a +1 weapon, or a ring of protection +1 to a ring of protection +1. To quote the Guide:
This rule also applies to upgrading from a +1 item to a +2 item and so on—you never have to repay the original cost or sell your current item for half to upgrade to the next step. Note that this only applies to items of the same kind— you can’t, for example, turn your masterwork rapier into a +1 greatsword.
Going from a belt of mighty constitution +2 to a belt of dwarvenkind is the wondrous item equivalent of going from a mw rapier to a +1 greatsword.
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I don' know if you're right (i have the feeling you are),but the question isn't quite that bad.
The belt of dwarven kind and the belt of mighty constitution are both belts.
They both provide a +2 enhancement bonus to constitution. (albeit by different methods)
Its more like going from +2 hide armor to rhino hide. That works with armor, I don't know if it works with Wondrous items.
It depends on whether the belt is a belt of becomming dwarfy or a belt that gives you
+2 enhancement bonus to constitution
60' darkvision
Dwarven stonecutting
Cha based skill penalties and bonuses.
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you might also consider this wrinkle...
A CON bonus belt and and Dex bonus belt are both items on thier own - so going from a CON belt to a CON & DEX belt is (also) combining two magic items that work on their own...
This is a big clarification that I have not been able to track down yet. Anecdotally I have heard you can increase the stat bumps on the ability items a bit at a time - but that you need to start with the correct belt.
Example: You can upgrade a Belt of Dex from +2 to +4 to +6 incrementally. You can upgrade a Belt of Dex and Strength from +2 to +4 (and I assume you would have to buy both incremental increases at the same time as there is no named belt that is +4 to one stat and +2 to the second.) In the second case you also could not add a +2 to the third stat boost as you would be changing the named item you already own.
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You cannot upgrade an item to an item of a different name with the exception of belts and headbands being upgraded to include more than one stat bonus (and the requisite change in name from belt of mighty constitution to belt of physical might, for example). You cannot upgrade from a non-named item to a named item.
Wow, this makes a HUGE difference for my PFS cleric. I was saving up for a +2 Wis/+2 Chr belt, but I can get a +2 Wis after his next scenario, in time for 4th level spells!
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You cannot upgrade an item to an item of a different name with the exception of belts and headbands being upgraded to include more than one stat bonus (and the requisite change in name from belt of mighty constitution to belt of physical might, for example). You cannot upgrade from a non-named item to a named item.
Mark, if a character already owns a Belt of Incredible Dexterity +4, and wants to add a Constitution enhamcement to it, must the enhancement bonuses match? That is, must the character wait to upgrade to a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +4) for the additional 24,000 gp, or is there a way to make a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +2)? I'm assuming the enhancement bonuses must match, but wanted a ruling from either you or Mike Brock. Thanks!
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Mark, if a character already owns a Belt of Incredible Dexterity +4, and wants to add a Constitution enhamcement to it, must the enhancement bonuses match? That is, must the character wait to upgrade to a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +4) for the additional 24,000 gp, or is there a way to make a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +2)? I'm assuming the enhancement bonuses must match, but wanted a ruling from either you or Mike Brock. Thanks!
They'd need to match, as there is no listed price for a belt of physical might +2 Dex/+4 Con in the wondrous items chapter of the Core Rulebook.
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There is no existing item that grants +4/+2, so it would be a custom item, and therefore not allowed.
Obviously I'm neither Mark nor Mike, but I'm on my lunch break and inclined to post. ;)
EDIT: Yoda ate my head! (That is to say, Mark ninja'd me.)
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You cannot upgrade an item to an item of a different name with the exception of belts and headbands being upgraded to include more than one stat bonus (and the requisite change in name from belt of mighty constitution to belt of physical might, for example). You cannot upgrade from a non-named item to a named item.Mark, if a character already owns a Belt of Incredible Dexterity +4, and wants to add a Constitution enhamcement to it, must the enhancement bonuses match? That is, must the character wait to upgrade to a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +4) for the additional 24,000 gp, or is there a way to make a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +2)? I'm assuming the enhancement bonuses must match, but wanted a ruling from either you or Mike Brock. Thanks!
Lem,
I think Mark answered this indirectly. In the Core Rule book there are only +2, +4 and +6 belts and headbands be they for one stat, two stats or three. You don't have any belts with variations.
So lets say you have a Belt of Str. +2. You can upgrade it to a Belt of Str. +4 or a Belt of Str. +2/Con +2. But you can't upgrade a Belt of Str. +4 to a Belt of Str. +4/Con +2, it would have to be upgraded to a Belt of Str. +4/Con. +4.
Hope that makes sense.
Nathan Meyers
NYC Player/GM
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Mark, if a character already owns a Belt of Incredible Dexterity +4, and wants to add a Constitution enhamcement to it, must the enhancement bonuses match? That is, must the character wait to upgrade to a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +4) for the additional 24,000 gp, or is there a way to make a Belt of Physical Might (Dex +4, Con +2)? I'm assuming the enhancement bonuses must match, but wanted a ruling from either you or Mike Brock. Thanks!They'd need to match, as there is no listed price for a belt of physical might +2 Dex/+4 Con in the wondrous items chapter of the Core Rulebook.
That's what I thought. Thanks very much, Mark, for the quick response/clarification. Come on, 24,000 gp!