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Arizona secretary of state joins the Birther movement.

Whether its a racially or politically motivated move by the SOS of Arizona it is just so full of stupid it actually hurts.

Qadira

See, we should have just given Arizona back to Mexico as a gift for Cinco de Mayo and had done with it.


Shadowborn wrote:
See, we should have just given Arizona back to Mexico as a gift for Cinco de Mayo and had done with it.

Only if they take Texas as well. Also, give Florida back to Spain.


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If you give Texas away, there goes most of the U.S.'s job creation.


Better give California back too, if we're giving back a place that actually works like Texas. They might need spare parts to keep Texas rolling.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
If you give Texas away, there goes most of the U.S.'s job creation.

ORLY?

You can play funny with numbers to get any outcome you want, I suppose.


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meatrace wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
If you give Texas away, there goes most of the U.S.'s job creation.

ORLY?

You can play funny with numbers to get any outcome you want, I suppose.

According to their manipulation of stats, Michigan is number one. HAHAHAHA!!! Oh my goodness. How does anybody take anything from Thinkprogress seriously?


Job creation relative to population growth? Really? I'm playing games with the numbers and Think Progress is all sciency and on the level?
That's a good one dude; you should have a standup act.

Well, uh,......why would.......population grow when job creation numbers are high?

Huh.......I know: WAIT!!! I guess they go hand in hand, and that would explain the "California license plates" phenomenon I see on the road every day.

here's a graph that shows the best jobs creation numbers from the BLS as well as the worst.


Garydee wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
If you give Texas away, there goes most of the U.S.'s job creation.

ORLY?

You can play funny with numbers to get any outcome you want, I suppose.
According to their manipulation of stats, Michigan is number one. HAHAHAHA!!! Oh my goodness. How does anybody take anything from Thinkprogress seriously?

So, I should move to Michigan to get work then? Because it's booming? I'm so confused. So, why do they move to Texas? The weather f%!@ing sucks!

Andoran

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Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

Job creation relative to population growth? Really? I'm playing games with the numbers and Think Progress is all sciency and on the level?

That's a good one dude; you should have a standup act.

Well, uh,......why would.......population grow when job creation numbers are high?

Huh.......I know: WAIT!!! I guess they go hand in hand, and that would explain the "California license plates" phenomenon I see on the road every day.

here's a graph that shows the best jobs creation numbers from the BLS as well as the worst.

And what kind of jobs were gained?.

Hiring a ton of minimum wage people to work at McDonald's isn't exactly economic growth.


ciretose wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

Job creation relative to population growth? Really? I'm playing games with the numbers and Think Progress is all sciency and on the level?

That's a good one dude; you should have a standup act.

Well, uh,......why would.......population grow when job creation numbers are high?

Huh.......I know: WAIT!!! I guess they go hand in hand, and that would explain the "California license plates" phenomenon I see on the road every day.

here's a graph that shows the best jobs creation numbers from the BLS as well as the worst.

And what kind of jobs were gained?.

Hiring a ton of minimum wage people to work at McDonald's isn't exactly economic growth.

So, I, and all the California plates I see on i30 and i35 driving to work every morning should really move to Michigan? Do I have you right?

Because Texas is really an economic failure.


ciretose wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

Job creation relative to population growth? Really? I'm playing games with the numbers and Think Progress is all sciency and on the level?

That's a good one dude; you should have a standup act.

Well, uh,......why would.......population grow when job creation numbers are high?

Huh.......I know: WAIT!!! I guess they go hand in hand, and that would explain the "California license plates" phenomenon I see on the road every day.

here's a graph that shows the best jobs creation numbers from the BLS as well as the worst.

And what kind of jobs were gained?.

Hiring a ton of minimum wage people to work at McDonald's isn't exactly economic growth.

Page not found.


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I just had to copy paste the link's web address and put it up in my finder thingy;

New Jersey has the highest median family income with 66 k, and Texas is down in the bottom 10 states with 47 k.

Which proves that......there's really no work here.

Yeah.

That's the ticket.

Please, everybody stop coming to Texas for work. THERE'S NO WORK HERE!!! CIRETOSE JUST PROVED IT!!! GO TO NEW JERSEY; THE MEDIAN INCOME IS HIGHER!!!!! JUST...JUST DON'T TRY TO BUY REAL ESTATE THERE!!!!!

Spoiler:
Then I can get more money and......PROFIT!!!! (rubs his ferengi hands together....


I...I gotta take a break. I'm laughing so hard I think I strained my diaphragm muscle.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

I just had to copy paste the link's web address and put it up in my finder thingy;

New Jersey has the highest median family income with 66 k, and Texas is down in the bottom 10 states with 47 k.

Which proves that......there's really no work here.

Yeah.

That's the ticket.

Please, everybody stop coming to Texas for work. THERE'S NO WORK HERE!!! CIRETOSE JUST PROVED IT!!! GO TO NEW JERSEY; THE MEDIAN INCOME IS HIGHER!!!!! JUST...JUST DON'T TRY TO BUY REAL ESTATE THERE!!!!!

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah, due to our low cost of living you can live better off of 47k than what someone from Jersey can on 66k. No doubt about it.


Garydee wrote:
Yeah, due to our low cost of living you can live better off of 47k than what someone from Jersey can on 66k. No doubt about it.

Is there any place where I could see how much my house would cost if it theoretically was in Jersey and not Garland, Tx?


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
Garydee wrote:
Yeah, due to our low cost of living you can live better off of 47k than what someone from Jersey can on 66k. No doubt about it.
Is there any place where I could see how much my house would cost if it theoretically was in Jersey and not Garland, Tx?

That, I don't know of. However, it's not just real estate that makes it harder to live in Jersey. Prices in general are higher and they also have a state income tax that we don't have.


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I just went to payscale.com.

Put in Dallas Tx vs. Newark, NJ.

Making 47 k in Dallas, Tx is the equivalent of making 64,860 in Newark NJ, multiplying 47 k by 1.38, since the COL is 38 % higher in Newark, New Jersey.

Hmmmm,....maybe I shouldn't move to NJ after all?......


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

I just went to payscale.com.

Put in Dallas Tx vs. Newark, NJ.

Making 47 k in Dallas, Tx is the equivalent of making 64,860 in Newark NJ, multiplying 47 k by 1.38, since the COL is 38 % higher in Newark, New Jersey.

Hmmmm,....maybe I shouldn't move to NJ after all?......

Yeah, they are not factoring in the higher taxes in Jersey either. However, I could be wrong on that.


Cool.

So, that's TWO sets of supporting statistics of questionable value that I've essentially shot down in flames in the defense of Awesome=Texas.

If I do three more, does that make me an Ace?


Garydee wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

I just went to payscale.com.

Put in Dallas Tx vs. Newark, NJ.

Making 47 k in Dallas, Tx is the equivalent of making 64,860 in Newark NJ, multiplying 47 k by 1.38, since the COL is 38 % higher in Newark, New Jersey.

Hmmmm,....maybe I shouldn't move to NJ after all?......

Yeah, they are not factoring in the higher taxes in Jersey either. However, I could be wrong on that.

Housing was like 158% higher. Not 58%. 158%.

So, I hope that's in there. SHEEEEESH!!!!!

Andoran

So having less wealth per family in your state makes your richer?

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

I removed some posts and changed the thread title to be a little less inflammatory.


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ciretose wrote:
So having less wealth per family in your state makes your richer?

Well, when that statement is considered in a vacuum, of course not.

When you add in cost of living, then it becomes a little more complicated.

See, that's the problem with quoting statistics without truly considering what they mean, and instead saying "hey; this seems to back my position. I think I'll quote this and shout PROOF!!! and hope nobody actually thinks about it."


It's like, if a dollar buys me more stuff in Texas than in NJ, then I'm kinda better off in Texas.
Also, if I can get a job in Texas and I can't in California, I'll drive my car to Texas and get a job there.
New Jersey, Michigan......I'd go there too, if there was work there like some people on the internets' miscomprehension of some random statistics they searched for implies, but......I think I'll go to Texas instead.

There's a saying; "build it, and they will come."
It has a magical hidden meaning; I can't exactly explain it. It's not bound up in statistics of questionable value though. It's not quite a law of physics either.

Andoran

There is also the fact that if your state is part of an open economic zone and the average income in your state is lower than in another state, your state has less wealth.

Belarus, for example according to Wikipedia has a ridiculously low unemployment rate, but only an average per capita of $15,028k.

Part of the reason the cost of living is higher in places comes from the fact more people want to live there.


Shadowborn wrote:
See, we should have just given Arizona back to Mexico as a gift for Cinco de Mayo and had done with it.

Why Mexico?

Why not the Native Americans (of course, we'd have to decide which Native Americans).


Don't forget that Dallas is one of the most expensive cities in Texas. Less than Austin, but more than Houston or San Antonio. Definitely more than smaller cities like Amarillo, Brownsville, Texarkana, and El Paso.

Texas is really healthy right now. (Houston, where I live, is awash in energy jobs.)


If we get rid of Texas, can we make whatever textbooks they adopt illegal here?


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ciretose wrote:

There is also the fact that if your state is part of an open economic zone and the average income in your state is lower than in another state, your state has less wealth.

Belarus, for example according to Wikipedia has a ridiculously low unemployment rate, but only an average per capita of $15,028k.

Part of the reason the cost of living is higher in places comes from the fact more people want to live there.

Which, in turn, drives up the cost of living, and makes a statistic like "47 k in Dallas, Tx is the same as 65 k in Newark NJ" understandable.

I remember when I moved to Dallas, Tx. from Florida.
The.....the cars on the road,.........car for car were just.....so much nicer. I'm glad, though, that my anecdotal observation has been explained away and that I now know that I am indeed living in the US equivalent of Belarus.

Please, if you're out there, don't come to Texas right now.
Take Ciretose's explanation of the meaning of the statistics.
He doesn't have to actually be here in person, like me, to see these things.
He has......STATISTICS!!!


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DM Barcas wrote:

Don't forget that Dallas is one of the most expensive cities in Texas. Less than Austin, but more than Houston or San Antonio. Definitely more than smaller cities like Amarillo, Brownsville, Texarkana, and El Paso.

Texas is really healthy right now. (Houston, where I live, is awash in energy jobs.)

Don't tell them that!

Texas sucks! It's just a bunch of slackjawed troglodytes with honky tonks with rebel flags and wooden native american statues out front!

Honky tonks called "Microsoft!" wudever thet thar mains.

Don't come here, unwashed masses!!! There's nothing for you!


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NO NO ... those aren't REALLY energy jobs, didn't you notice the guy earlier who is an EXPERT, those jobs are @ Mickey D's and minimum wage, just like my CSM job for a Computer firm that was a bad job and I didn't need anyway so it was ok when it went oversea's... you gotta have the right lingo here... ENERGY JOB, equals slinging High Caloric intake to the masses for the production of ATP for cell work, and CSM means evil bastard who puts you on hold for to long, those aren't good jobs bc they aren't union jobs or supported by the DNC...sheesh


Dragonsage47 wrote:
NO NO ... those aren't REALLY energy jobs, didn't you notice the guy earlier who is an EXPERT, those jobs are @ Mickey D's and minimum wage, just like my CSM job for a Computer firm that was a bad job and I didn't need anyway so it was ok when it went oversea's... you gotta have the right lingo here... ENERGY JOB, equals slinging High Caloric intake to the masses for the production of ATP for cell work, and CSM means evil bastard who puts you on hold for to long, those aren't good jobs bc they aren't union jobs or supported by the DNC...sheesh

Boah,..I caint unnerstand all them thar 10 gallon wurds. Yew messin wiff Texis?


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Boah,..I caint unnerstand all them thar 10 gallon wurds. Yew messin wiff Texis?

Lol... you betcha since I'm from Tennessee and all the real Texans were just kicked out of Tennessee and had to move west...


meatrace wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
See, we should have just given Arizona back to Mexico as a gift for Cinco de Mayo and had done with it.
Only if they take Texas as well. Also, give Florida back to Spain.

This is of course assuming they'd want em back....

To quote someones sig from another board :

"Do you celebrate the fourth of july in England?"
"No.....but perhaps we should."

:-p


Tigger_mk4 wrote:


This is of course assuming they'd want em back....

As long as the upper class in Mexico keeps pushing its poor class onto the US so that we have to take care of them rather than the Mexican upper class have their taxes raised, I see no reason for Mexico to want Arizona.


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Dragonsage47 wrote:

Boah,..I caint unnerstand all them thar 10 gallon wurds. Yew messin wiff Texis?

Lol... you betcha since I'm from Tennessee and all the real Texans were just kicked out of Tennessee and had to move west...

Heh heh. Some lady asked me where I'm from.

I said "Florida."

So she said, "so you ain't a real Texan, orr you?"

I said, "no ma'am, and neither was Davy Crockett, I reckon."


Tigger_mk4 wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
See, we should have just given Arizona back to Mexico as a gift for Cinco de Mayo and had done with it.
Only if they take Texas as well. Also, give Florida back to Spain.

This is of course assuming they'd want em back....

To quote someones sig from another board :

"Do you celebrate the fourth of july in England?"
"No.....but perhaps we should."

:-p

Thar's 6 flags that done flown over Texas, and ain't a one of them ever been the Union Jack.

YEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!


Darkwing Duck wrote:
Tigger_mk4 wrote:


This is of course assuming they'd want em back....
As long as the upper class in Mexico keeps pushing its poor class onto the US so that we have to take care of them rather than the Mexican upper class have their taxes raised, I see no reason for Mexico to want Arizona.

Hmm... I'd suggest thats more a "the rich couldnt give a monkeys about the poor or what they do" rather than a deliberate "foist them on the gringos" policy.... and hardly unique to Mexico.

If the US wasnt next door to Mexico, and was, say, geographically swapped with Sweden, then they'd be going to Sweden.

Truth is that people in poverty and danger will always try to find somewhere else to live that has a better standard of living and less dangerous. (c.f irish emigration to America during the potato famine)
Sounds totally understandable to me- I'm just glad I'm not in such a circumstance.

Thats not to condone poverty, or illegal immigration - just saying that its the consequence of being a rich and (relatively) peaceful country in a generally poor and violent world.

The only real cure is to try and reduce the poverty and violence... a herculean (and possibly sisiphaen) tasks..


Tigger_mk4 wrote:


Truth is that people in poverty and danger will always try to find somewhere else to live that has a better standard of living and less dangerous. (c.f irish emigration to America during the potato famine)
Sounds totally understandable to me- I'm just glad I'm not in such a circumstance.

You do realize that Mexico, as a country, is far from being poor, right?

And the fact that their poor are coming here is evidence that our rich treat our poor better. That's part of the "foist them on the gringos" policy Mexican rich have. And, yes, I called it a -policy-. That's because the Mexican government have published comic books teaching their poor how to sneak across our border and receive benefits from our government while avoiding detection as an illegal alien. Its also because money sent back to Mexico (to take care of family) once in the US is a major source of income for the Mexican government.

And, let me repeat, Mexico is not a poor country.

Qadira

Ross Byers wrote:
I removed some posts and changed the thread title to be a little less inflammatory.

In the middle of the day on a Sunday? For goodness' sake, man, go enjoy yourself and clean up after the kids tomorrow. Or make the minions do it for you.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
Tigger_mk4 wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
See, we should have just given Arizona back to Mexico as a gift for Cinco de Mayo and had done with it.
Only if they take Texas as well. Also, give Florida back to Spain.

This is of course assuming they'd want em back....

To quote someones sig from another board :

"Do you celebrate the fourth of july in England?"
"No.....but perhaps we should."

:-p

Thar's 6 flags that done flown over Texas, and ain't a one of them ever been the Union Jack.

YEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!

Of course not, Old Boy. Why would we have wanted the place? I mean, it's full of Texans. Tally ho.


And Michael Moorcock.


Darkwing Duck wrote:

.

And, let me repeat, Mexico is not a poor country.

Yes, i do realise that as an overall average, mexico is not poor. it does have a significant section of its population thar IS however. ... And thats not to mention the drugs/guns/rape issues in some northern areas.

And, yes, your rich treat the poor better. That was kinda my point...your rich care how the poor are treated...or some of them at least. i just think its less a proactive stance by the mexican elite.
:-)

Didnt know about the comics tho, thats a new one on me... So admit i could be wrong.

And yes, totally agree about texans ,CB . Yee, and indeed haw, old boy.


On Wiki, it says that remittances from abroad to Mexico accounted for 2.1 percent of their gdp in 2004.

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