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Southern New Deal Supporters, Klansmen and "Liberals"


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Ross Byers wrote:
As I said earlier, if you want to discuss a specific topic, feel free to do so, in its own thread.

Okay.

Darkwing Duck wrote:


I'm confused by your terminology. You believe leftists who supported the New Deal shouldn't be called "liberals", why? Other than what appears to be an arbitrary reference to LBJ.

Not that I am a liberal, but here's why


OTOH, we've got Woodrow Wilson who, although pre-New Deal was actually a Southern Democrat, a "liberal" and a racist.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
As I said earlier, if you want to discuss a specific topic, feel free to do so, in its own thread.

Okay.

Darkwing Duck wrote:


I'm confused by your terminology. You believe leftists who supported the New Deal shouldn't be called "liberals", why? Other than what appears to be an arbitrary reference to LBJ.
Not that I am a liberal, but here's why

The only anti-racist party in the US from roughly the 1870s until the 1940s was the Communist Party, as I'm sure you know. It was quite possible to be a good liberal in the 1930s and still be a raging white supremacist. First Truman and then LBJ found out that for Dixiecrats white supremacy was a make or break issue. Pretty much the same thing happened with slavery a century prior.

We should no more expect past liberals to agree with modern liberals on everything than we should expect them to drive the same cars. Societies change and take ideologies with them.


I would say most modern ideologies have changed pretty substantially these last 100 years or so. Conservatives have found new timesto be nostalgic for, communists have dropped much of their rhetorics about mass executing the bourgeoisie. Should it be a surprise that some liberals too have changed their views?


Sorry.

More context of the conversation is probably in order.


Yeah that probably helped a little bit.


Liberalism in this country looks a lot different than liberalism other places as well. The democratic party has courted the union vote for a lot time, but they didn't support civil rights at all until 1948. That was when the south started to turn away from the dems.

The southern strategy was to invoke racial fears to drive a wedge between whites and the democratic party, but prior to Nixon, the south refused to vote republican because that was the party of Lincoln.

Woodrow Wilson was definitely a racist.

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