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Obama on same-sex marriage


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You mean Big Rock Candy Mountain? M'lord dice has banned that, but encourages us to listen to this.


Hells yeah!

EDIT: Except that, gay people: marriage is bad for you. Don't do it.

EDIT: Oops! Not @ Dicey.

Big Rock Candy Mountain is cool, too.


In fact, everything about the Coen Brothers is cool.


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

Goblins do it in the streets of Sugar Candy Mountain!

I was mixing my metaphors.


Speaking seriously, Comrade Obama (okay, not that seriously) has to make political decisions about everything. All I can think of is an episode of the West Wing where Bartlett goes to California and yells at a movie producer: "Want to see me set gay rights back 20 years? Then let the President come out in favor of gay marriage; imagine the backlash!"

It's fine call Obama a Stooge of the Plutocracy{tm} (he is one), but it was back when he didn't approve of gay marriage that he signed the bill over turning Don't Ask Don't Tell. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, but it's more than any other President has done.

I guess I'm saying that if I have to choose between Comrade Obama and Mittens Romney, I'm going to go the obvious way.

(Coen brothers rock, I just felt serious.)


Hitdice wrote:

Speaking seriously, Comrade Obama (okay, not that seriously) has to make political decisions about everything. All I can think of is an episode of the West Wing where Bartlett goes to California and yells at a movie producer: "Want to see me set gay rights back 20 years? Then let the President come out in favor of gay marriage; imagine the backlash!"

It's fine call Obama a Stooge of the Plutocracy{tm} (he is one), but it was back when he didn't approve of gay marriage that he signed the bill over turning Don't Ask Don't Tell. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, but it's more than any other President has done.

I guess I'm saying that if I have to choose between Comrade Obama and Mittens Romney, I'm going to go the obvious way.

(Coen brothers rock, I just felt serious.)

There's a part of me that gets what you're saying, and there's a part of me that can't help but remember back in the mid-90s when DADT was passed and it was applauded as the pro-gay rights legislation of its time.

And gay rights, of course, is not the best forum in which to prove that the Democrats suck balls (which they do).

But: FDR--Truman--Kennedy--Johnson--Carter--Clinton--Obama: It's, for the most part, been a real downhill road. At what point do the Democrats stop being a lesser evil and a pillar of the whole rotten system? (A: They've always been a prop of the whole rotten system.)

You want seriousness? I'll give you seriousness: Left-wing Paizonians: Do as thou wilt, but remember--the only time that Comrade Jeff or Lord Dice (my two faves Obama-voters) have ever admitted that there is something wrong with the Democrats is when a member of the Commonwealth Party of Galt (M-L) has vilified them. This alone, imho, justifies our existence.

---

So, Lord Dice, when are we going to get together and play some D&D?

I've got this idea for an East Coast FAWTL RefugeeCon that I think would be awesome. We've got the numbers, let's do it!! Drive up to NH, pitch a tent on the Free NH Goblin Resistance Commune, maybe play Skull & Shackles: what do you think?


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ZOMG, it's a cross thread spam invite; let's talk about this in PM shall we? I am more than willing to attend, schedule permitting :)

Dude, given my druthers I would have voted for a Nader/Kucinich ticket, but that was just never gonna happen.

(Don't tell M'lord Dice I endorsed those candidates...)

Cheliax

Dicey the House Goblin wrote:

ZOMG, it's a cross thread spam invite; let's talk about this in PM shall we? I am more than willing to attend, schedule permitting :)

Dude, given my druthers I would have voted for a Nader/Kucinich ticket, but that was just never gonna happen.

(Don't tell M'lord Dice I endorsed those candidates...)

If that ticket had any hope of winning the popular vote I'd be a very happy man.


LazarX wrote:
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

Well, then, let's think this through.

Everytime Citizen Aretas comes on these boards and argues against gay marriage people call him a bigot. Which, you know, fair enough. So, doesn't that mean that at least for the last four years, Obama has been pretending to be a bigot?

No, it means that four the last four years, Obama has been somewhat short on honoring his commitment to come forward on LGBT issues. Now whether prompted by Biden's speech,or other reasons he's decided to publicly state a position of support. What his private feelings are on the matter are just that.

So, people should only be for equality when its convenient for them to be so?

I mean, Obama hasn't even made very many speeches on the subject in the last four years.


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Hee hee!

In one thread Citizen Duck and I are bitter enemies and in another we're bosom buddies!

OTD rawks!


This is a bit awesome, and hopefully a sign of better things to come; those californians act like they're so openminded.


I'm going to tell you a big fat story, baby, it' all about my town
Yeah, down by the river, down by the banks of the River Charles
Ah, that's where it's happening, baby
That's where you'll find me, along with lovers, buggers and thieves
Ah, but they're cool people
Well, I love that dirty water,
Oh, Boston, you're my home!

Or at least she used to be.

Also, Obama still sucks!!!


DJEternalDarkness wrote:
A) It's about time and B) no this is not a state's issue, this is a human rights and decency issue. You can't decide to take away someone's rights by vote, even if it seems that so many states are doing that on a monthly basis.

Yes it is a human decency issue, but not human rights (at least not from my perspective and by no means anyone elses). However that aside, what about states [or in mine and others who live here in the COMMONWEALTH of Pennsylvania - where the governor feels that keeping his promise of no new taxes is more important than adequate funding for education {TOM CORBETT is a PUTZ!!! Also, PA legislature doesn't refer to itself as a state} that have long had marriage legally defined as a union between a man and woman (as it is here in PA). Of course, PA also has laws on the books such as sodomy is illegal and so is hanging your undergarments out to dry in front of your house on Teusday or Wednesday, I forget which day. Is it an outdated definition? Yes. Does it need to be changed? Yes and No. Yes, if your state/commonwealth does not recognize civil unions or have civil unions that do not provide the same benefits as marriage. No if your state/commonwealth recognize civil unions as being the LBGT version of marriage with all of the trimmings EXCLUDING the title of calling it a MARRIAGE.

Another question would be, if civil unions had all of the benefits and legal trappings of a marriage, would this even be a hot topic that the government could use to distract everyones attention from whatever it is that they do NOT want us to see.


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well, some good news
Court of Appeals shot down DOMA. Not suprising, but it made my day a little bit brighter.


Caineach wrote:

well, some good news

Court of Appeals shot down DOMA. Not suprising, but it made my day a little bit brighter.

Thanks, Caineach, for the link. It does my heart good to know that the 10th Amendment is actually being paid attention to. Doing so will preserve human rights.


Oh sure, thanks Caineach; I blame you, Doodlebug, for sandwiching my announcement between your idiocies!

(Turning human rights into a opportunity for self-aggradizement is how we roll here on the Dice Estate.)


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Lord Dice wrote:

Oh sure, thanks Caineach; I blame you, Doodlebug, for sandwiching my announcement between your idiocies!

(Turning human rights into a opportunity for self-aggradizement is how we roll here on the Dice Estate.)

Wow, I read your thing and didn't notice the link. I recomend having more than just "this" be your link because 1 word often gets overlooked.

Also, I thought you were replying to Doodlebug.


Hee hee!

Causing confusion and dissension is what goblins do best!

Rise up, Dicey! Overthrow Lord Dice and his inhospitable kennels!

Goblins do it in the street!

While listening to the Standells!


Caineach wrote:

well, some good news

Court of Appeals shot down DOMA. Not suprising, but it made my day a little bit brighter.

"Jesus had two dads, and he turned out fine."

Priceless! Wish I could get that in bumper-sticker form.

Andoran

Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

I'm going to tell you a big fat story, baby, it' all about my town

Yeah, down by the river, down by the banks of the River Charles
Ah, that's where it's happening, baby
That's where you'll find me, along with lovers, buggers and thieves
Ah, but they're cool people
Well, I love that dirty water,
Oh, Boston, you're my home

Wait, are you sure? I always thought it was 'Lovers, muggers and thieves'.


On top of which: the song was written by a guy from Texas and the band was from California!!!

Qadira

Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
ZDPhoenix wrote:

It's election year pandering, without a doubt. Four years have went by and while he's done things to help line-up same sex acceptance; he has always fell short and in some ways hampered the support of same-sex marriage.

Now, six months before elections; at the most opportune political time, (Post NC's decision, not prior) he's approaching a demographic that is becoming increasingly divided on him, over his lack of follow through.

Either way, it's a ballsy way to pander. I don't think a President has took a plunge into a volatile political region that briskly, or unexpectedly in years. Kudos for that.

I think it was CJ that first introduced the word "pander" into this conversation and it's been bothering me, so I looked it up:

1) To offer illicit sex to a third party; to pimp
2) To tempt with, to appeal or to cater to improper motivations, to assist in the gratification of.

Now, the double meaning is kind of amusing, and I get that Obama is motivated by politics. And I agree that wanting to get married is an improper motivation. I'm just surprised a practicing Catholic agrees with me.

You'd be surprised with a lot of my viewpoints. Also I never thought about the double endentre', it fits.


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It's only a matter of time. Gay marriage will be legal in all 50 states. And it won't cause any trouble for straight people. Life will go on as it always has.

The states and countries that have legalized it have yet to suffer any locust plagues.

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