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Blood of Fiends - Rheumy Refrain


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Hey all. I have a question about Rheumy Refrain in Blood of Fiends on page 28.

It states:

Quote:
"If the target fails its Will save, whenever it attempts any action other than moving up to its base speed or making a single melee attack (but not both) in a single round, it must succeed at a concentration check (DC 10 + your Charisma modifier) to avoid wasting its action because of a fit of coughing and sneezing."

My question is, how is a Concentration check made for non-casters (Fighters, rogues, barbarians, etc)? Is this an errror in the print or is there a rule I'm not aware of non-caster Concentration checks?

If it is an error, what check/saving throw is used to replace it?

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Nebten wrote:

Hey all. I have a question about Rheumy Refrain in Blood of Fiends on page 28.

It states:

Quote:
"If the target fails its Will save, whenever it attempts any action other than moving up to its base speed or making a single melee attack (but not both) in a single round, it must succeed at a concentration check (DC 10 + your Charisma modifier) to avoid wasting its action because of a fit of coughing and sneezing."

My question is, how is a Concentration check made for non-casters (Fighters, rogues, barbarians, etc)? Is this an errror in the print or is there a rule I'm not aware of non-caster Concentration checks?

If it is an error, what check/saving throw is used to replace it?

First, sorry to leave you waiting. This got developed after it left my hands so I was hesitant to step in right away.

I think it's simplest to handle non-spellcasters with a level check + Con modifier. My rationale for this is that it's the default for everybody. However, spellcasters receive special training on how to "play through the pain" which allows them to make a concentration check instead.

Hope that helps. :)

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Hal Maclean wrote:
Nebten wrote:

Hey all. I have a question about Rheumy Refrain in Blood of Fiends on page 28.

It states:

Quote:
"If the target fails its Will save, whenever it attempts any action other than moving up to its base speed or making a single melee attack (but not both) in a single round, it must succeed at a concentration check (DC 10 + your Charisma modifier) to avoid wasting its action because of a fit of coughing and sneezing."

My question is, how is a Concentration check made for non-casters (Fighters, rogues, barbarians, etc)? Is this an errror in the print or is there a rule I'm not aware of non-caster Concentration checks?

If it is an error, what check/saving throw is used to replace it?

First, sorry to leave you waiting. This got developed after it left my hands so I was hesitant to step in right away.

I think it's simplest to handle non-spellcasters with a level check + Con modifier. My rationale for this is that it's the default for everybody. However, spellcasters receive special training on how to "play through the pain" which allows them to make a concentration check instead.

Hope that helps. :)

Yeah, there's no rule for non-spellcasters to make concentration checks. I would recommend doing what Hal suggested, or otherwise changing the concentration check to a Fortitude save (DC = 10 + 1/2 the bard's HD + the bard's Charisma modifier).


I think technically it'd be just a straight d20 roll for a non-caster, which...is doable, but would be very hard to actually make with any regularity. That said, Hal's suggestion would make it effectively non-usable, because they get +1 to resist every level and your DC never goes up. I'd go with Patrick's suggestion, personally - that follows the formula of a lot of stuff.

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