Deathspeaker question


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Shadow Lodge

so I'm setting up an Undead Lord of Urgathoa and came across a question regarding the Trait Deathspeaker

Pathfinder SRD wrote:

Deathspeaker

Your have experience in dealing with undead.
Benefit: Your experience gives you a +2 trait bonus on Diplomacy checks when dealing with undead, as well as a +2 trait bonus on Charisma checks made to influence undead (for example, as part of the command undead spell).

and how it interacts with this

Pathfinder SRD wrote:

Command Undead

Using foul powers of necromancy, you can command undead creatures, making them into your servants.

Prerequisites: Channel negative energy class feature.

Benefit: As a standard action, you can use one of your uses of channel negative energy to enslave undead within 30 feet. Undead receive a Will save to negate the effect. The DC for this Will save is equal to 10 + 1/2 your cleric level + your Charisma modifier. Undead that fail their saves fall under your control, obeying your commands to the best of their ability, as if under the effects of control undead. Intelligent undead receive a new saving throw each day to resist your command. You can control any number of undead, so long as their total Hit Dice do not exceed your cleric level. If you use channel energy in this way, it has no other effect (it does not heal or harm nearby creatures). If an undead creature is under the control of another creature, you must make an opposed Charisma check whenever your orders conflict.

now at 1st glance I was like oh hey thats cool +2 to my use of the Feat and the spells when I get there... and the more Ive thougth about it the less Certain Ive become .... some Key Lines from the Feat are

as if under the effects of control undead

If an undead creature is under the control of another creature, you must make an opposed Charisma check whenever your orders conflict.

but Im still not convinced ... since the feat says the Undead Make a Save with the DC being 10+ 1/2 cleric Level + Cha Mod.... Im just not sure thats gonna count as a charisma check (but some of the rest of the trait covers that)

whats your thoughts on it

Silver Crusade

Traits should be as good as half of a feat generally speaking. With that in mind, I interpreted it that it would give +2 to opposed charisma checks for conflicting commands, but since Improved Channel increases the DC by 2, I can't see this trait doing it as well.

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