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I’m trying to create an optimal gunslinger build from level 1 to 15, but I can’t seem to decide what the viable feats are after level 7. So far I have:
Point Blank Shot, Rapid Reload: Musket (archetype bonus)
Precise Shot
Rapid Shot
Deadly Aim
Weapon Focus: Musket
From this point I am undecided on either taking dodge and mobility so I can take deft shooter and not have to worry about AoO, or taking something like vital strike and snap shot to increase my DPS. Any help is appreciated. I also don’t mind taking some small dips, with the exception of the monk of the sacred mountain idea, 4 levels is a bit more of a dip then I’m willing to take.
I like a two level dip in monk as odd as it sounds:
Both classes are wisdom based, it improves your save throws, and you get two bonus feats (I take dodge and mobility so I can take deft shootist quickly). It also means that you can shoot shoot shoot and then kick someone with an unarmed strike if they close without having to spend a point of grit for the using the musket in melee or switch weapons (If you wanted too).
It's involved by if you go Sohei monk level 6, and 3 levels of weapon master fighter you could even flurry of blows with your musket.
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The Urban Barbarian opens up way more options then I thought there was. And the other ideas are good as well. But I'm still not sure what to do.
That happens sometimes. Who is this guy? Often characterization is (and should be) the deciding factor between various mechanically equivalent options.
Does Secret Stash just handle black powder and bullets, what about metal cartridges for advanced firearms?
It handles powder and bulets, or Alchemical Cartridges...but not Metal Cartridges.
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Who is this guy? Often characterization is (and should be) the deciding factor between various mechanically equivalent options.
He's a character for Skull and Shackles, and the concept is that he's a venerable dwarf gunslinger who was accidently press ganged into service on the Wormwood. He was previously a "marine" for Andoran privateers, so he would probably be the only morally "good" character in the pirate setting.
The long term goal is to get a rifle with a Far Reaching Sight. I want him to be as profiecient with the rifle as possible and to output a far amount of damage. He might also be designated as the Siege Officer much later down the line.
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If you wanna break the game, pick up Deft Shootist, and you never hafta swing a Melee weapon again. For the cheesiest build of all time, pick up the Combat Relfexes, Snap Shot, And Improved Snap Shot feats. 15 Foot threatened area with Dex mod AoO's every round? Yes please.
At 11th level, pick up Signature Deed Bleeding Wound. Keep in mind that this build will forever make you the least popular player of all time. (Thus my decision to play a wizard instead . . . XD)
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If you wanna break the game, pick up Deft Shootist, and you never hafta swing a Melee weapon again. For the cheesiest build of all time, pick up the Combat Relfexes, Snap Shot, And Improved Snap Shot feats. 15 Foot threatened area with Dex mod AoO's every round? Yes please.
At 11th level, pick up Signature Deed Bleeding Wound. Keep in mind that this build will forever make you the least popular player of all time. (Thus my decision to play a wizard instead . . . XD)
I think I will do that, I will make it up later today and post it
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Is Deadly Aim really that useful a choice? It doesn't work on touch attacks, so would only come into play if you're shooting outside your range increment at normal AC.
Given you're usually trying to avoid shooting at normal AC, its a feat you'd be trying to avoid having to use... thus its relevance drops off slightly.
Firearms hit touch AC in its first range increment, its not a touch attack, so Deadly Aim still applies and its quite.... well... deadly
As is Signature Deed in all likelihood (and combined with Secret Stash, can give you unlimited ammo).
The grit cost of this deed cannot be decreased by the Signature Deed feat, the true grit class feature, or any other similar effect that reduces the number of grit points you spend to use a deed.
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Deadly Aim does work with firearms it specifically says so in the firearms description.
Range and Penetration: Armor, whether manufactured
or natural, provides little protection against the force of a
bullet at short range.
Early Firearms: When firing an early firearm, the attack
resolves against the target’s touch AC when the target is
within the first range increment of the weapon, but this type
of attack is not considered a touch attack for the purposes
of feats and abilities such as Deadly Aim. At higher range
increments, the attack resolves normally, including taking
the normal cumulative –2 penalty for each full range
increment. Unlike other projectile weapons, early firearms
have a maximum range of five range increments.
Advanced Firearms: Advanced firearms resolve their
attacks against touch AC when the target is within the
first five range increments, but this type of attack is not
considered a touch attack for the purposes of feats such as
Deadly Aim. At higher range increments, the attack resolves
normally, including taking the normal cumulative –2
penalty for each full-range increment.
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As is Signature Deed in all likelihood (and combined with Secret Stash, can give you unlimited ammo).The grit cost of this deed cannot be decreased by the Signature Deed feat, the true grit class feature, or any other similar effect that reduces the number of grit points you spend to use a deed.
Damn, missed that. Ah, well. C'est la vie.
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I think I will do that, I will make it up later today and post itIf you wanna break the game, pick up Deft Shootist, and you never hafta swing a Melee weapon again. For the cheesiest build of all time, pick up the Combat Relfexes, Snap Shot, And Improved Snap Shot feats. 15 Foot threatened area with Dex mod AoO's every round? Yes please.
At 11th level, pick up Signature Deed Bleeding Wound. Keep in mind that this build will forever make you the least popular player of all time. (Thus my decision to play a wizard instead . . . XD)
Last bit of advice; Bucklers can be used while firing firearms. And my prayers go with you, friend, for no mortal player should face the wrath of a DM presented with this build without Divine aid.
I wanna make that build :) ...dotted!
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If you wanna break the game, pick up Deft Shootist, and you never hafta swing a Melee weapon again. For the cheesiest build of all time, pick up the Combat Relfexes, Snap Shot, And Improved Snap Shot feats. 15 Foot threatened area with Dex mod AoO's every round? Yes please.
At 11th level, pick up Signature Deed Bleeding Wound. Keep in mind that this build will forever make you the least popular player of all time. (Thus my decision to play a wizard instead . . . XD)
ummm.
you cant take actions (reload) on not your turn. even free actions can only happen on your turn
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Here is what I got. Please tweek it however you like, especially on order of feats. The AP will only go to level 15, but I included the extra 5 levels for the hell of it. Also, should I design a more powerful rifle as my eventual goal?
BELRIM EAGLE-EYE
Male Svirfneblin Gunslinger (Musket Master)
LN Small Humanoid (Gnome)
Senses Darkvision (120 feet), Low-Light Vision
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OFFENSE
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Spd 20 ft.
Ranged: +1 Reliable, Seeking Rifle
Spell-Like Abilities Blindness/Deafness (1/day), Blur (1/day), Disguise Self (1/day), Nondetection (Constant)
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STATISTICS
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Str 13, Dex 18 (Bump to 23 by level 20), Con 8, Int 10, Wis 15, Cha 8
Feats:
Level 1: Point Blank Shot, Rapid Reload: Musket (Class Ability)
Level 3: Precise Shot
Level 4: Rapid Shot
Level 5: Deadly Aim
Level 7: Weapon Focus: Rifle
Level 8: Dodge
Level 9: Mobility
Level 11: Deft Shootist Deed
Level 12: Signature Deed: Bleeding Wound
Level 13: Snap Shot
Level 15: Combat Reflexes
Level 16: Improved Snap Shot
Level 17: Improved Precise Shot
Level 19: Extra Grit
Level 20: Improved Critical: Rifle
Traits Freedom Fighter, Peg Leg (Yes he has a peg leg)
Damn, missed that. Ah, well. C'est la vie.As is Signature Deed in all likelihood (and combined with Secret Stash, can give you unlimited ammo).The grit cost of this deed cannot be decreased by the Signature Deed feat, the true grit class feature, or any other similar effect that reduces the number of grit points you spend to use a deed.
Haha yeah, I do that all the time.
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If you wanna break the game, pick up Deft Shootist, and you never hafta swing a Melee weapon again. For the cheesiest build of all time, pick up the Combat Relfexes, Snap Shot, And Improved Snap Shot feats. 15 Foot threatened area with Dex mod AoO's every round? Yes please.
At 11th level, pick up Signature Deed Bleeding Wound. Keep in mind that this build will forever make you the least popular player of all time. (Thus my decision to play a wizard instead . . . XD)ummm.
you cant take actions (reload) on not your turn. even free actions can only happen on your turn
It now works, per this FAQ.
It now works, per this FAQ.If you wanna break the game, pick up Deft Shootist, and you never hafta swing a Melee weapon again. For the cheesiest build of all time, pick up the Combat Relfexes, Snap Shot, And Improved Snap Shot feats. 15 Foot threatened area with Dex mod AoO's every round? Yes please.
At 11th level, pick up Signature Deed Bleeding Wound. Keep in mind that this build will forever make you the least popular player of all time. (Thus my decision to play a wizard instead . . . XD)ummm.
you cant take actions (reload) on not your turn. even free actions can only happen on your turn
Haha, they actually legalized the most broken build of all time? They love them some gunslingers.
I would drop weapon focus (unless it is needed in another feat) since you hit touch AC and many mobs have sucky touch AC, lets you get deft shootist at level 9 instead of 11.
What about Vital Strike instead of rapid shot? Less chance to misfire, etc.
As Gnomersy pointed out in this thread, the Rapid Reload bonus feat from the Musket Master is only for muskets and will not work with a rifle.
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Why would you take deadly aim? It prevents the musket master from using her touch attack.
No it doesn't.
When firing an early firearm, the attack resolves against the target's touch AC when the target is within the first range increment of the weapon, but this type of attack is not considered a touch attack for the purposes of feats and abilities such as Deadly Aim.
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Dip one level in Wizard, school of Foresight, take a Initiative boosting familiar.
You get:
* +5 to initiative
* 3+INT/Day: ability to roll a d20 at the start of your go and use in place of any d20 result you get (good for those 'I really need you not to misfire' shots)
* You always act on a surprise round, even if you fail a perception check.
This means, at the start of most combat, aside from any horrible rolls: you're going first with a beastly +14 Initiative modifier (+5 from dex, +1 forewarned, +4 familiar, +2 trait, +2 Gunslinger's initiative) and you're then only hitting 10+ Size modifier + Deflection AC.
You also get access to spells, which means wands are suddenly useful. But what's particularly useful for you is that you get Perfect Strike which is a +20 to next attack. Perfect strike has no somatic components!
Why not far shot? Seems like it works perfect with the far reaching sight. Now you can be twice as far back with the same penalty.