Just wondering if anyone has recently purchased the PRPG core rulebook and which printing you received. I know earlier this year it was still the 4th printing, so before purchasing it I wanted to know if they finally started shipping the new one.
It's so much cheaper there I'd like to purchase it. But alas I want the recent printing so I don't have to shuffle through the errata. Thanks in advance.
I've been hearing mix results. I guess it depends on the warehouse. I'm not sure if I should take the risk. Thanks for posting.
Chief Technical Officer
|
We've been shipping the 5th printing since November, so I'd think there's a pretty good chance that's what you'd get... but Amazon does have a lot of warehouses, and they may or may not have older printings kicking around in any number of them, so there's definitely no guarantee.
I *can* guarantee that if you buy it (or any other Pathfinder RPG book) from paizo.com, you'll get the current printing, though.
We've been shipping the 5th printing since November, so I'd think there's a pretty good chance that's what you'd get... but Amazon does have a lot of warehouses, and they may or may not have older printings kicking around in any number of them, so there's definitely no guarantee.
I *can* guarantee that if you buy it (or any other Pathfinder RPG book) from paizo.com, you'll get the current printing, though.
Thanks for the response. As a newbie trying to graduate from the Beginner's Box, it means a lot to get a response from one Paizo's own.
Nevertheless, as a poor grad student, the $20 I'd saved by purchasing through Amazon is very appealing -- especially seeing that I also want to buy the Gamemastery Guide and the Bestiary books with my purchase of the Core book. So any money I save helps.
Thanks for the response. I just may take the plunge ;)
Dyonisus77, I would suggest getting the Gamemastery Guide as a PDF rather than hardcover. Most of the information in there is not useful for the majority of game sessions. While I cannot say I regret owning it. I do regret buying a hardcopy. - Gauss
Dyonisus77, I would suggest getting the Gamemastery Guide as a PDF rather than hardcover. Most of the information in there is not useful for the majority of game sessions. While I cannot say I regret owning it. I do regret buying a hardcopy. - Gauss
As a newbie to table-top MMOs, I see that it helps with generating random treasure and random encounters. It also gives advice on how to create plot-lines and such. So as a newbie is it worth it?
| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
First: *TWITCH!* sorry, you reffering to Pathfinder as a Table-top MMO just...OUCH MAN!!!
Second: those tables can be printed off as there arent that many. The general rule of thumb I have is, I only need books I will actually reference at the table. All else should be PDF. Unfortunately, that rule of thumb was made AFTER I bought most of my PF books. I was slow to upgrade to the new reality of PDFs rocking.
Gamemastery Guide can be read as a PDF, the few elements that need to be at the gametable can be printed off beforehand.
Note: most of the rest of the books I prefer to have hardcopies. However, there are many that use PDFs exclusively at the table. For me, I need the 'place memory' of the hardcopies.
- Gauss
First: *TWITCH!* sorry, you reffering to Pathfinder as a Table-top MMO just...OUCH MAN!!!
Second: those tables can be printed off as there arent that many. The general rule of thumb I have is, I only need books I will actually reference at the table. All else should be PDF. Unfortunately, that rule of thumb was made AFTER I bought most of my PF books. I was slow to upgrade to the new reality of PDFs rocking.
Gamemastery Guide can be read as a PDF, the few elements that need to be at the gametable can be printed off beforehand.
Note: most of the rest of the books I prefer to have hardcopies. However, there are many that use PDFs exclusively at the table. For me, I need the 'place memory' of the hardcopies.
- Gauss
Lol, yeah sorry. It's finals week and I am going through my last paper of the semester. So the 'MMO' gaffe stems from my research on MMOs and for the reason that I am writing it while I'm posting here.
BTW, thanks for the advice. It is greatly appreciated. I will probably purchase the PDF version of the Gamemastery Guide. Btw, did you do the same with the Bestiary or any other PFRPG books?
If you are comfortable with sitting a the gaming table with a computer then by all means use the PDFs. Otherwise, as a GM youll need the Bestiary in book form. Personally, Im a book guy. It helps me remember where things are.
Books needed at the table Core Rulebook, APG, UM, UC, Bestiary 1 (2 and 3 might be optional) and Inner Sea Guide.
Most other books I dont need at the table (Print off relevant information). - Gauss
If you are comfortable with sitting a the gaming table with a computer then by all means use the PDFs. Otherwise, as a GM youll need the Bestiary in book form. Personally, Im a book guy. It helps me remember where things are.
Books needed at the table Core Rulebook, APG, UM, UC, Bestiary 1 (2 and 3 might be optional) and Inner Sea Guide.
Most other books I dont need at the table (Print off relevant information). - Gauss
I would agree on the other books, but I wouldn't say the Inner Sea Guide is needed unless you are playing in Golarian.
Unless you are talking about books 'you' personally need at the table.
Good point Hobbun, I am GMing Golarion. My bad for not being more specific. - Gauss
If you plan on loaning the books out, you may want to get hardcopies. I am extremely reluctant to "loan" out a PDF copy of a book.
Thanks for all the advice. I got lucky last night and found a Core book used on Amazon, 5th printing. Now I will get the Bestiary books and the Gamemastery sometime soon.
Thanks all!
|
Dionisus77, I use an iPad at my games now and everything I use is now PDFs. I don't carry a single hardback book to play anymore and even gave away my hardbacks to friends to get them into playing.
If you have any kind of tablet or even a smart phone you can get away with PDFs only until you are in a better place to buy the books.
Dionisus77, I use an iPad at my games now and everything I use is now PDFs. I don't carry a single hardback book to play anymore and even gave away my hardbacks to friends to get them into playing.
If you have any kind of tablet or even a smart phone you can get away with PDFs only until you are in a better place to buy the books.
As much as I enjoy reading on my iPad, when it comes to reference materials such as RPG books, I find that I enjoy reading more hard copies. For me, it just makes rummaging through them when playing much easier. But I may pick up the PDFs just to have them in the fall.
Thanks for the feedback!
What is the difference in the 5th printing?
|
Chief Technical Officer
|
What is the difference in the 5th printing?
This page includes errata PDFs that explain the changes from earlier printings.
How does one tell what edition they have?
At the bottom of your books' credits page (page 2 I think) is where you find the printing number. Just a note: printing numbers are not the same as editions (at least in the case of pathfinder and D&D). - Gauss
I have a Core Rulebook en route so I'll let you know if it's the 5th edition.
However, I have another question! Some of the books on Amazon have different covers than the website here. The main ones I've noticed, because of my personal interest, are the Dragon Empires Gazetter and the Jade Regent books. Are there two different covers of these books? I must prefer the covers here on the Paizo website!
|
CEO
|
However, I have another question! Some of the books on Amazon have different covers than the website here. The main ones I've noticed, because of my personal interest, are the Dragon Empires Gazetter and the Jade Regent books. Are there two different covers of these books? I must prefer the covers here on the Paizo website!
When we first solicit books to the book trade (including Amazon) we have to give them a mock-up cover since we have to do this way before we actually have the final artwork for the cover. So that is what Amazon ends up putting up on their website—the mock-up cover. We then send them the final cover when it is available, but they don't always change it from the mock-up cover, which is what you are seeing with those two books. We try to nudge them and sometimes the covers change. Sometimes they don't.
So there you have it!
-Lisa
My current CRB ( second one I got ) is in very good condition, so I'll wait for the ( hopefully ) large revisions to the Monk to be done and included in a future printing to get a new CRB. :p
I am surprised no one (as far as I can tell; may have missed it) has mentioned the Pathfinder SRD.
You really don't need any of the books... though, if you're buying (especially on a budget), I'd say the Core Rulebook, Dungeon Master's Guide, and Bestiary 1 are the most useful / necessary.
My current CRB ( second one I got ) is in very good condition, so I'll wait for the ( hopefully ) large revisions to the Monk to be done and included in a future printing to get a new CRB. :p
.
What large revisions to the Monk have been done recently?
Edit: Nevermind, I see the threads on the matter. Was there anything else besides changes to Flurry of Blows?
Detect Magic, A) the D20PFSRD is a great resource but not always accurate. B) I would prefer to support the company so that they don't go out of buisiness. If everyone used the PRD or D20PFSRD without purchasing a book there wouldn't be much of a company left.
- Gauss
My current CRB ( second one I got ) is in very good condition, so I'll wait for the ( hopefully ) large revisions to the Monk to be done and included in a future printing to get a new CRB. :p.
What large revisions to the Monk have been done recently?
Edit: Nevermind, I see the threads on the matter. Was there anything else besides changes to Flurry of Blows?
SKR mentioned that the developers would like to do some major revisions to the class at some unspecified moment in the future. I hope it happens before Pathfinder II. ;)
SKR mentioned that the developers would like to do some major revisions to the class at some unspecified moment in the future. I hope it happens before Pathfinder II. ;)My current CRB ( second one I got ) is in very good condition, so I'll wait for the ( hopefully ) large revisions to the Monk to be done and included in a future printing to get a new CRB. :p.
What large revisions to the Monk have been done recently?
Edit: Nevermind, I see the threads on the matter. Was there anything else besides changes to Flurry of Blows?
That's stretching what he said a wee bit. Amazing what the telephone game does.
SKR mentioned that the developers would like to do some major revisions to the class at some unspecified moment in the future. I hope it happens before Pathfinder II. ;)My current CRB ( second one I got ) is in very good condition, so I'll wait for the ( hopefully ) large revisions to the Monk to be done and included in a future printing to get a new CRB. :p.
What large revisions to the Monk have been done recently?
Edit: Nevermind, I see the threads on the matter. Was there anything else besides changes to Flurry of Blows?
I don't see that happening, unfortunately.
Late last year SRM put out a Stealth playtest blog to try and clear up a lot of the issues with the skill. There were a couple playtest rounds (getting input from us) but it just disappeared, didn't hear from Stephen for months.
Finally, James Jacobs came back and said it was pretty much shelved as it was being more of a revision than errata, and revisions are going to be saved for 2nd edition PF.
I will say I was pretty disappointed, as not only did it mean there wouldn't be any Stealth changes, but it set the tone for any other rules that needed some work, as well. In that they wouldn't be done.
My point is if there isn't going to be any revisions for Stealth, I don't see any for the Monk, with the exception maybe of FoB, due to how much confusion there is.
It's a shame, as I really feel PF would benefit with something like the Rules Compendium, to clarify the vague and poorly written rules that are out there. Overall there is a small amount compared to the whole book, but all of us have seen them pop up time and time again in the Rules form.
Stealth, Magic Item Creation and FoB are just to name a few that need work.
I don't want the monk merely patched, I want it fixed. I agree that it's hard to play an effective monk, the monk rules are convoluted, and it's expensive in terms of magic item and ability score needs. But I don't know that the monk can be sufficiently fixed without requiring significantly more explanatory text in the Core Rulebook--which we can't add without messing up the layout for pages and pages, which we can't do because we have that book and other books referring to things in the Core Rulebook by specific page number. I--and the other designers--don't want to just slap a bandage on it and call it good; this is a significant concern, just like the stealth rules, and deserves careful consideration.
That is from two weeks ago.
Excuse me, but what other interpretation can I take from this but "major revisions to the Monk"?
|
|
That actually seems to support that it won't be done until the next edition in the Core Rulebook (which won't be for years, Paizo has said). Right in that quote you posted he said they can't change it without messing up pages and pages of the book, so it won't be a simple 6th printing change.
Maybe they'll do some kind of free pdf of a compilation of rules changes and clarifications. Here's hoping.
I disagree. Since it seems to be a more or less immediate concern and we do know that the next edition is still quite a few years down the line, I think they will search for a more immediate solution than putting the fixes into a future edition of the rules.
I think we can assume the problem(s) with FoB is going to be a fix for this edition, especially as it has drawn the attention of the rules team and they indicated they are ‘working on it’.
But as for fixing the monk ‘correctly’ (as Sean says he wants to do), I really feel that will be done for 2nd edition PF, especially since he said it will require significant explanatory text and therefore throwing off pages in the book.
My feelings on that, I am ok with it. I would rather have the RAI Monk in RAW and deal with a few inaccurate page references than no info until 2nd edition. To me, correcting the page references would just be errata in the appropriate books.
And as I said in my prior post, I don’t like the precedent it sets (if the Monk isn’t fixed ‘accurately’) for other rules that need to be fixed/clarified, as well.
I just don’t want to wait until 2nd edition for these changes.
Well, I will admit that my reading of Sean's statement includes some wishful thinking on my side. :D
| 5 people marked this as a favorite. |
I don't want to wait for a 2nd edition of the Pathfinder RPG to fix the monk class.
That said, we'll have to find a way to make the monk fixes fit in the space allotted. So that mean we can't go adding 500 words of new abilities.
The designers haven't had a meeting on what exactly to do, but the three of us agree something needs to be done.
On a related note, I don't know when we'll be doing a 6th printing of the Core Rulebook, which means I don't know if a fixed monk would appear in the 6th printing. For example, they could tell us on next week that we've run out of the 5th printing (unlikely) and need to hit the button for the 6th printing ASAP... and obviously we wouldn't have time to fix the monk in such a short period of time.
We'll keep you informed about the monk as things develop.
Sean I just want to say, without derailing the thread too much, that this is awesome.
Well then, post retracted and I look forward to seeing what comes of this.
|
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Why not do a 32 page book just on Monks? Introduce some new Monk rules, call it an Alternate class, throw in some archetypes, example Monk orders, Monk weapons and maybe even some new Combat Maneuvers, call it "Monks Revisited" and call it a day.
That way, people can either keep using the old Monk from the Core Rules (no new printing needed), or those who really want the "improvements" can use the new book.
New from Paizo this Fall The Ultimate Monk.
Featuring:
The monk alternate monk class.
12 Pages of new monk Feats.
Over 20 new monk Magic Items.
The expanded 10 page list of Quingong choices.
And many more Monkish things for your Monk.
Why not do a 32 page book just on Monks? Introduce some new Monk rules, call it an Alternate class, throw in some archetypes, example Monk orders, Monk weapons and maybe even some new Combat Maneuvers, call it "Monks Revisited" and call it a day.
That way, people can either keep using the old Monk from the Core Rules (no new printing needed), or those who really want the "improvements" can use the new book.
I think that would be an awesome idea. And a way to separate the mystical Monk from the martial arts Monk. Class books are in the future of the game anyway, as the list of core stuff to be released gets shorter and shorter.
But I'd also be happy about a core book fix for the Monk. Paizo will figure out the best way to do it. :)
