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Question on Playing Pregens


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***** Venture-Captain, New Jersey aka Shivok

We recently played a 3rd lvl module where only one player had a PFS character at the mod level range. Everyone else made 3rd lvl pregens of their own characters.

The PFS guide 4.1 states on pg.23 For modules below level 9, if you do not have a character in the correct level range, you may use a Pathfinder Society pregenerated character, available on paizo.com. If you play a pregenerated character, you apply the credit from the pregenerated character played to a newly created character, with the GP gained reduced to 1,398 GP (or 699 for slow advancement track characters).

Does the bolded part mean you may only use the official pregens on the paizo.com website or could they have used their own pre-gens so long as they were PFS legal?

As far as awarding the chronicle sheets they would get the reduced GP amount and xp to apply to a 1st lvl character. The lvl appropriate character would get a normal chronicle sheet.

Is this correct?

Andoran ***** Venture-Captain, Washington D.C. aka Thamius

Shivok wrote:

We recently played a 3rd lvl module where only one player had a PFS character at the mod level range. Everyone else made 3rd lvl pregens of their own characters.

The PFS guide 4.1 states on pg.23 For modules below level 9, if you do not have a character in the correct level range, you may use a Pathfinder Society pregenerated character, available on paizo.com. If you play a pregenerated character, you apply the credit from the pregenerated character played to a newly created character, with the GP gained reduced to 1,398 GP (or 699 for slow advancement track characters).

Does the bolded part mean you may only use the official pregens on the paizo.com website or could they have used their own pre-gens so long as they were PFS legal?

As far as awarding the chronicle sheets they would get the reduced GP amount and xp to apply to a 1st lvl character. The lvl appropriate character would get a normal chronicle sheet.

Is this correct?

As of PFS Guide 4.1 you must use the Paizo-created pre-gens, not alternate reality versions of existing characters. For a 3rd level module those players should have used the 4th level pre-gens, since those are the only ones that qualify for a 3rd level module.

Once the module is over, the players of the pre-gens must make a decision: apply the chronicle to a completely new first level character at the reduced gold, or designate an existing character but hold the chronicle until that character reaches 4th level (which should have been the level of the pre-gen played).

***** Venture-Captain, New Jersey aka Shivok

Daniel Simons wrote:

As of PFS Guide 4.1 you must use the Paizo-created pre-gens, not alternate reality versions of existing characters. For a 3rd level module those players should have used the 4th level pre-gens, since those are the only ones that qualify for a 3rd level module.

Once the module is over, the players of the pre-gens must make a decision: apply the chronicle to a completely new first level character at the reduced gold, or designate an existing character but hold the chronicle until that character reaches 4th level (which should have been the level of the pre-gen played).

Thanks Dan, I knew we talked about this on the boards but coulndt find it.

So can we say this was not a legal PFS Sanctioned mod (as played) and the player with the 3rd lvl PFS character can play the mod again for credit?

Grand Lodge **

Shivok wrote:
Daniel Simons wrote:

As of PFS Guide 4.1 you must use the Paizo-created pre-gens, not alternate reality versions of existing characters. For a 3rd level module those players should have used the 4th level pre-gens, since those are the only ones that qualify for a 3rd level module.

Once the module is over, the players of the pre-gens must make a decision: apply the chronicle to a completely new first level character at the reduced gold, or designate an existing character but hold the chronicle until that character reaches 4th level (which should have been the level of the pre-gen played).

Thanks Dan, I knew we talked about this on the boards but coulndt find it.

So can we say this was not a legal PFS Sanctioned mod (as played) and the player with the 3rd lvl PFS character can play the mod again for credit?

That sounds an awful lot like rewarding their behaviour.

***** Venture-Captain, New Jersey aka Shivok

Starglim wrote:
That sounds an awful lot like rewarding their behaviour.

Starglim,

How so?

***** Venture-Captain aka Red-Assassin

The current rules are if you play a module with a Pre-gen. You HAVE to award credit to a newly created character. The only exception is We Be Goblins, which you can apply to a FIRST or SECOND level character. The rest of the modules you cannot replay for credit if they are above level 2 in range.

Qadira ***** RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Are you sure about that, Chris?

At recent cons, I've seen people play 4th and 7th-level pre-gens with the understanding that they would save that experience for when their PC was 4th or 7th level.

I'm assuming, on the word of a venture-lieutenant, that they were mistaken, and that those credits need to be assigned immediately to a newly-created character, with 500 GP.

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Shivok, Starglim was suggesting that playing through a module outside of PRS (for fun) and then playing through it again, for PFS credit, was, if not absolutely cheating, then certainly behavior we want to discourage.

***** Venture-Captain aka Red-Assassin

For modules, the rules are different than scenario's.

For scenario's a player has 2 options, apply credit to their own character when they reach the level the pre-gen was played, or apply credit to a new character.

For Module play if you are using a pregen you must apply it to a new character, the only exception I am aware of currently is WBG playing a pregen.

The rules for scenario play concerning pregens are on page 4 of the guide.

The rules for module play concerning pregens are on page 23.

So applying credit to a new character, gold should be adjusted as required in the guide.

This is all for the new version of the guide Jan-12.

Sczarni ***

Chris Bonnet wrote:
For Module play if you are using a pregen you must apply it to a new character, the only exception I am aware of currently is WBG playing a pregen.

Another exception: In Ruby Phoenix Tournament, you are allowed to scale a copy of your character up to level 11 in order to participate. The chronicle goes to the base character with gold rewards applied according to the level of the base character.

This is a rare exception, because the Chronicle actually details the gold breakdown for every sub-tier and the included rules specify that the gold applies to the base character and not a new one.

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I'm pretty sure you can't do that any more, even with Ruby Phoenix Tournament. I thought that was only grandfathered in for about a month when they came out with the new rules for playing modules.

Sczarni ***

Saint Caleth wrote:
I'm pretty sure you can't do that any more, even with Ruby Phoenix Tournament. I thought that was only grandfathered in for about a month when they came out with the new rules for playing modules.

I see. Let me grab the new copy of the rules, then...

"Huh... well there you go, isn't it?" in Upper-Midwest parlance. That's a little disappointing. I was really hoping to be able to run a weekend event sometime soon, but now... I'm actually feeling pretty distraught about this.

No, my feelings on this are "it sucks." I recognize that this was meant to bring the Ruby Phoenix Tournament module in line with other modules, and I further recognize that the deadline was meant as a compromise for those who'd already planned it. And I have an idea how much work it'd be a lot of work to audit a level 11 copy of an lower-level character, but I'm really saddened by this as I was ready to do all that auditing. And there are no appropriate-level pregens to run this module with, either, so this is a "must be level 10-12" thing. Sadly, none of my players' characters will be ready for this by the time I was planning to run it.

I don't know that I really have any more to say about it than that.

***** Venture-Captain, New Jersey aka Shivok

Chris Mortika wrote:
Shivok, Starglim was suggesting that playing through a module outside of PRS (for fun) and then playing through it again, for PFS credit, was, if not absolutely cheating, then certainly behavior we want to discourage.

Chris,

Ahh a little clearer now.

I know the players werent looking at it to game the system for PFS Credit. They made the thier own pre-gens to play the module itself, the official PFS pre-gens were not to their liking(esp. not for experienced PFRPG players).

Out of the 7 Players & GM only 2 are regular pfs players, 3 are occasional players and the other 2 have registered PFS characters but dont play PFS. In fact they scheduled another 2 mods for play and it looks like they want to make their own pre-gens again w/o PFS credit.

The concern is for the 2 players who actually play PFS and their desire to play these mods for PFS Credit.

One GM thought the PFS legal characters should get the credit since everyone at the table had a character created using PFS creation rules.

The other suggested that it was not a legal table and no one should get PFS credit and that the PFS players could play in a legal PFS table in the future.

Grand Lodge **

Shivok wrote:
Starglim wrote:
That sounds an awful lot like rewarding their behaviour.

Starglim,

How so?

If it was not a legal table and never officially happened, they all now have knowledge of the module, but can replay it (maybe for a better result) without restraint and for full credit.

The people who played non-legal characters can replay for level-appropriate gold immediately. If the game was reported and they received chronicles for playing a pre-gen, they'd have to choose between a lower reward (if they applied it to a new character) or waiting to apply the chronicle (if they held it until their actual character reached appropriate level).

To me, it seems better for all concerned to register the game and its result, for good or bad as far as individual character careers go.

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