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I am curious if there are any PF novels focusing on Paladins? Paladins of Last Wall would be awesome to read about! Especially fighting at the World Wound!

Taldor

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Here is some web-fiction about a paladin.

Otherwise, you can find complete details of the Pathfinder Tales line at this page.

I don't think there have been any paladins in the AP fiction but one may have slipped my mind.


That's one archetype that hasn't been used too much in fantasy literature.

The only one that really jumps out for me is the one from The Deed of Paksenarrion, who really was a d&d Paladin if you read it.

For some reason it hasn't been too popular a theme for people that write fiction for WOTC or Paizo.

A pity because I think you really could do a lot with it.

Andoran

sunbeam wrote:

That's one archetype that hasn't been used too much in fantasy literature.

The only one that really jumps out for me is the one from The Deed of Paksenarrion, who really was a d&d Paladin if you read it.

For some reason it hasn't been too popular a theme for people that write fiction for WOTC or Paizo.

A pity because I think you really could do a lot with it.

Well, if we're talking non-Pathfinder Tales specific, The War God's Own (and sequels) by David Weber also feature a protagonist who's basically a Paladin. And, while urban fantasy as opposed to the more classic sort, The Dresden Files (by Jim Butcher) have Michael Carpenter, who's the very definition of a Paladin.

Aside from those, I too am having difficulty thinking of characters who really fit the Paladin mold. It's quite a bit easier to find legitimately LG heroes, but the 'divinely empowered' bit makes it tricky to find.


Thank you for all the replies. This truly is a shame... the iconic paladin has been thrown to the wayside!

Everyone likes to read books or watch movies about bad guys who miraculously turn good, but no one likes to see the good guy who just is good, doing good things because they are the right thing to do....


For every PF novel on Paladins, there would be a thousand posts screaming 'u r doin it rong!'.


Vult Wrathblades wrote:
but no one likes to see the good guy who just is good, doing good things because they are the right thing to do....

I do!

But most don't, as such a nice person only makes them notice their own lack of character and so they spray haterade at the do-gooder :p

Taldor

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Vult Wrathblades wrote:

Thank you for all the replies. This truly is a shame... the iconic paladin has been thrown to the wayside!

Everyone likes to read books or watch movies about bad guys who miraculously turn good, but no one likes to see the good guy who just is good, doing good things because they are the right thing to do....

Did you read the online story?

Did you see the novel set in the worldwound?

There are more paladins than oracles, barbarians, inquisitors, monks or summoners.

Patience is probably helpful, the line is still quite young.


@Shifty.. Damn how right you are! It sucks! but you are dead on!


@GeraintElberion.. I have started the online story, thank you for that link, it looks like it is going to be very good. I will try reading the novel when I can, I just wish the focus was on a Paladin.


I think I will take on the project of writing one (well, maybe not PF specific, but genre-specific)! What a cool idea. Paladins can be written with unique personalities and a devotion to good. And to the abyss with the naysayers!

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get a paladin protagonist before too long! In the meantime, in addition to the great web story mentioned above, Dave Gross's next novel has a true-believer paladin as one of the supporting characters. I should note as well that she's not a fallen paladin, either, but a happily righteous one. :)

Stay tuned!

Taldor

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James Sutter wrote:

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get a paladin protagonist before too long! In the meantime, in addition to the great web story mentioned above, Dave Gross's next novel has a true-believer paladin as one of the supporting characters. I should note as well that she's not a fallen paladin, either, but a happily righteous one. :)

Stay tuned!

Is this more Varian Jeggare and Radovan stuff?

Mr. Sutter, you are an incorrigible tease.


James Sutter wrote:

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get a paladin protagonist before too long! In the meantime, in addition to the great web story mentioned above, Dave Gross's next novel has a true-believer paladin as one of the supporting characters. I should note as well that she's not a fallen paladin, either, but a happily righteous one. :)

Stay tuned!

And if we're talking novels by Pathfinder-writers, one of the main characters in Liane Merciel's River King's Road is a good example of a non-fallen, righteous paladin.

Cheliax Contributor

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GeraintElberion wrote:
James Sutter wrote:

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get a paladin protagonist before too long! In the meantime, in addition to the great web story mentioned above, Dave Gross's next novel has a true-believer paladin as one of the supporting characters. I should note as well that she's not a fallen paladin, either, but a happily righteous one. :)

Stay tuned!

Is this more Varian Jeggare and Radovan stuff?

Mr. Sutter, you are an incorrigible tease.

'Tis. And the paladin in question is the supporting character I've grown most fond of in this book. It's a shame what happens.

Paizo Employee Developer

Dave Gross wrote:
'Tis. And the paladin in question is the supporting character I've grown most fond of in this book. It's a shame what happens.

SPOILER!!!!


His/her armour get dirty?

Taldor

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Dave Gross wrote:
GeraintElberion wrote:
James Sutter wrote:

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get a paladin protagonist before too long! In the meantime, in addition to the great web story mentioned above, Dave Gross's next novel has a true-believer paladin as one of the supporting characters. I should note as well that she's not a fallen paladin, either, but a happily righteous one. :)

Stay tuned!

Is this more Varian Jeggare and Radovan stuff?

Mr. Sutter, you are an incorrigible tease.

'Tis. And the paladin in question is the supporting character I've grown most fond of in this book. It's a shame what happens.

Will the vicious teasing ever stop?

Spoiler:
I am chortling, good work.

Taldor

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Dave Gross wrote:
'Tis. And the paladin in question is the supporting character I've grown most fond of in this book. It's a shame what happens.

His/her holy mount gets gelded?


James Sutter wrote:

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get a paladin protagonist before too long!

Stay tuned!

This makes me happy! I might suggest Vult would be a great name for this paragon of righteousness!!


So here's a question from a curious author (who's also a fan of playing paladins, but has rarely written about characters of that sort).

What would you guys want to see in a paladin-focused Pathfinder (or similar) story?

Do you prefer the righteous paladin vs. the forces of darkness in a (relatively) black-and-white situation? Or do you prefer the paladin who's forced into periods of reflection and doubt because he's pitted against foes who aren't obviously evil, or because he's forced to make tough moral choices that darker/more "gray" heroes wouldn't think twice about?

Or a combination of both? Or neither, and you're looking for something else?

What is it about a paladin, specifically, that you want to see/read about?


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I think of a Paladin as someone like Captain America.

He has been presented with situations that are shades of grey, and aren't obviously good or evil.

The key to him is he always finds some good way to resolve the situation.

Captain America doesn't have dark nights of the soul. He doesn't have self doubts. If Rich Burlew thought Paladins were unnatural not to know fear, I'd hate to think of his analysis of Captain America.

By the way, he doesn't know fear either seemingly. There may have been a couple storylines along the way where he questions himself or is depressed or something, but those don't seem to be remembered too well.

The character has been used to speechify like few others in comics. Here are some that really describe the character to me:

"I'm loyal to nothing general, except the dream."

'Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - "No, you move."'

There was a scene in The Last Avenger Story where Hawkeye asked Captain America what would make him quit. And he said something like "Death. Maybe." like it was an unimportant detail.

"I believe in an idea... An idea that a single individual who has a right heart and the right mind... That is consumed with a single purpose... That one man can win a war."

"You're right, Hawkeye, the world has gone to hell. But thank God the Avengers are here to do something about it. And we are. You ready? "

"I'm a hero not a politician! I don't argue jurisdiction when lives are in danger!"

"Listen up! The situation has changed! I'll explain later! For now-- Let's go get those butchers!"

"We'll rebuild. Asgard...Manhattan... the world. We'll rebuild it all. Like the rest of the world, we'll dig deep and find the strength to get out of bed tomorrow morning and start all over again. The Avengers will bury our dead, mourn our losses... And then get back to work..."

"I want it known that as of today...I am declaring war on HYDRA."

I guess indomitable and incorruptible is what I am thinking of. That's what goes through my head when I think of a Paladin. Not immunity to fear or disease.

Somebody who just refuses to quit, no matter what. A fanatic who manages to avoid ever committing the excesses fanatics are known for.

A different genre, but that is my mental conception of a Paladin.


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There's another Varian/Radovan story in the works? Excellent! I look forward to it! That reminds me, now that Jade Regent is done, I need to sit down and read the fiction in the AP.

Thank you, Dave Gross, for fun and engrossing stories! :D

-Aaron


Paladins are a great class when you actually want to play a good guy.

Understanding what it means to be a good guy appears to be a bit of a difficulty though.

Cheliax Contributor

Itchy wrote:

There's another Varian/Radovan story in the works? Excellent! I look forward to it! That reminds me, now that Jade Regent is done, I need to sit down and read the fiction in the AP.

-Aaron

I'm eager to see some responses to "Husks" and the AP fiction in general. I think some folks wait for all six episodes to appear, then since it's so long after the initial release, feel it's somehow too late to post reactions to them the way others do for the adventures.


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Dave Gross wrote:
I'm eager to see some responses to "Husks" and the AP fiction in general. I think some folks wait for all six episodes to appear, then since it's so long after the initial release, feel it's somehow too late to post reactions to them the way others do for the adventures.

I am one of those who wait for the whole AP to come out before reading the fiction. As I read through them, I will try to post my thoughts here on the boards under each of the AP installments. It will be at least a few weeks before I get to reading them, though. I should do that for the Carrion Crown fiction too...

-Aaron

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