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Kajehase wrote:
Pretty sure a good percentage of the original series officers on the Enterprise could have used a session or two at the gym. ;p

I learned from Wil Wheaton's blog that all the TNG men wore muscle suits under their space tights. It's why they all have exactly the same shoulders. Which is funny because most of them appeared to be decently fit guys when they took the tights off.

Between the lights and muscle suits with spandex on top, I bet toward the end of a day the set got very fragrant. But it does allow an alternate reading of Wesley's character arc. He got his gray uniform because he had a steroid problem and they needed to keep it quiet.

...yes, I think things like this about any show I watch for a significant length of time. Sometimes it's the only reason I watch shows.


Samnell wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
Pretty sure a good percentage of the original series officers on the Enterprise could have used a session or two at the gym. ;p

I learned from Wil Wheaton's blog that all the TNG men wore muscle suits under their space tights. It's why they all have exactly the same shoulders. Which is funny because most of them appeared to be decently fit guys when they took the tights off.

Between the lights and muscle suits with spandex on top, I bet toward the end of a day the set got very fragrant. But it does allow an alternate reading of Wesley's character arc. He got his gray uniform because he had a steroid problem and they needed to keep it quiet.

...yes, I think things like this about any show I watch for a significant length of time. Sometimes it's the only reason I watch shows.

He was roiding up or he had a hormonal issue?


Freehold DM wrote:
Samnell wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
Pretty sure a good percentage of the original series officers on the Enterprise could have used a session or two at the gym. ;p

I learned from Wil Wheaton's blog that all the TNG men wore muscle suits under their space tights. It's why they all have exactly the same shoulders. Which is funny because most of them appeared to be decently fit guys when they took the tights off.

Between the lights and muscle suits with spandex on top, I bet toward the end of a day the set got very fragrant. But it does allow an alternate reading of Wesley's character arc. He got his gray uniform because he had a steroid problem and they needed to keep it quiet.

...yes, I think things like this about any show I watch for a significant length of time. Sometimes it's the only reason I watch shows.

He was roiding up or he had a hormonal issue?

I was thinking he had a sweet tooth for anabolic confections, because it's funnier to me that way. Maybe they're even klingon steroids he gets from Worf. Part of the enjoyment of re-interpreting television this way is to make everything as horrible and decadent as I can and still get some very dark laughs out of the show.

It does tend to turn things into an episode of Family Guy with more plot, but the juxtaposition with more earnest "wholesome" shows is half the laughs. Especially when the dialog and plots work both ways. The most innocent characters always end up the most decadent, criminal, creepy, or all three.


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Celestial Healer wrote:
I just had the most unpleasant image of the Christmas tune "I saw three ships come sailing in" with a manage-a-trois subtext. It's like the "walk of shame". On Christmas morning. Blegh.

Wait, I thought a manage-à-trois ;) is when an employee is stuck with two different bosses each with different priorities and projects "that need to take precedent over the other boss's". Also, in the manage-à-trois, the employee is still guaranteed to get screwed (likely from both ends), and the walk of shame occurs either just after walking out of one boss' office or walking out of unproductive conference call/dept meeting.

Silver Crusade

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I never took French...


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
I just had the most unpleasant image of the Christmas tune "I saw three ships come sailing in" with a manage-a-trois subtext. It's like the "walk of shame". On Christmas morning. Blegh.
Wait, I thought a manage-à-trois ;) is when an employee is stuck with two different bosses each with different priorities and projects "that need to take precedent over the other boss's". Also, in the manage-à-trois, the employee is still guaranteed to get screwed (likely from both ends), and the walk of shame occurs either just after walking out of one boss' office or walking out of unproductive conference call/dept meeting.

Manage à trois!!!

What a funny expression!
In french a "ménage à trois" is a threesome,so seeing transposed in buisness language is something I find quite inadequate and entertaining at the same time!


Celestial Healer wrote:
I never took French...

I assumed Sebastian was trying his new mind control powers on you to erase your memory of his impactful mistake, and he accidentally miscalculated and zapped your speech centers.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
I never took French...
I assumed Sebastian was trying his new mind control powers on you to erase your memory of his impactful mistake, and he accidentally miscalculated and zapped your speech centers.

Are we speaking about language or... Eh, never mind.


aaand back to the top.

The Exchange

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Lets start another conversation, shall we?
I personally buy only the minimal what I need to live day by day. Throw on Tshirt and jeans, present myself to the world in my male attire. blah.

A recent development on the homefront. My wife has come a full 180 with her acceptance regarding her "T" husband. After years of gifts that I didn't want nor particularly care for, she finally 1) realized I was serious about what clothes I liked, 2) asked my sizes, 3) got tired of my rather monochrome and limited femme wardrobe.

It is such a nice feeling. My wife is an avid bargain shopaholic. The thrill of the hunt of capturing a $150 purse for $7 is a moment of celebration. My lovely SO now peruses the sales racks with an eye for me. She has excellent taste and a lot of time. I now have to build a closet for me dresses and skirts. I need a jewelry box and a shoe rack. I have more pretty stuff than formal/business/casual guy stuff.

It is a nice situation to be in. Never thought I, um, we would get here.


That's awsome, ReckNBall. :)

Yeah, there's just something fun about shopping. And gotta love the sales racks. :)


Todd, another belated hug for support. You rock!

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Sissyl wrote:
Todd, another belated hug for support. You rock!

Much appreciated :)

I told my closest friends over the past week, gaining responses ranging from 'wtfbbq' to 'ok that explains some things, what pronoun do you want'. They were pretty awesome :)


So... May I ask what you answered them? And, if you would, what is your thinking about names?


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So... here I am. I've been digging through this thread for a few days while at work. I haven't finished yet, because holy crap this thing is LONG, but I felt the need to be involved here.

I'm 25 and openly gay, living in Dallas Texas. I don't know how much anyone cares about my life story, but this thread has made me very grateful for what I have. In fact I've texted my boyfriend a few times while reading to say "I'm sorry if I ever take you for granted."

Anyways, yes. Hi. I'm crap with intros.


Hey, Sean!

Damn... I hadn't looked at the number of posts in a long time... you're right, this one has gone on a while.

Guess we must be doing something right. :)

Seriously, I love this thread.

Texan all your life or a transplantee?

We're also not terribly formal here (at least, I'm not) so pull up a virtual chair and hoist an imaginary intoxicant!

Welcoming Weasel is welcoming.


Cheeseweasel wrote:

Hey, Sean!

Damn... I hadn't looked at the number of posts in a long time... you're right, this one has gone on a while.

Guess we must be doing something right. :)

Seriously, I love this thread.

Texan all your life or a transplantee?

We're also not terribly formal here (at least, I'm not) so pull up a virtual chair and hoist an imaginary intoxicant!

Welcoming Weasel is welcoming.

Welcoming indeed.

*pulls out a margarita* Not a true "Texan" as I've only been here for the last 12 years. Moved when I was 13 and have been pretty "meh" about it the whole time. Living in Dallas is nice because it's surprisingly liberal when compared to the more rural areas, but the state on the whole needs some work. Texas isn't very fond of treating it's queers as actual people.

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Sissyl wrote:
So... May I ask what you answered them? And, if you would, what is your thinking about names?

Since for a variety of reasons I won't be transitioning, it's just easiest to keep with the outwardly apparent pronoun. And likewise, in the absence of altering that, I haven't even considered names really.


Todd Stewart wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
So... May I ask what you answered them? And, if you would, what is your thinking about names?
Since for a variety of reasons I won't be transitioning, it's just easiest to keep with the outwardly apparent pronoun. And likewise, in the absence of altering that, I haven't even considered names really.

Okay. Thanks for answering.


Hoi Fitz.

Mind if I call you Fitz?

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Sissyl wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
So... May I ask what you answered them? And, if you would, what is your thinking about names?
Since for a variety of reasons I won't be transitioning, it's just easiest to keep with the outwardly apparent pronoun. And likewise, in the absence of altering that, I haven't even considered names really.
Okay. Thanks for answering.

Actually the answer was a tad more nuanced. It's simpler to keep with male pronouns in the absence of transitioning, but I wouldn't ever object to female ones. :)


Freehold DM wrote:

Hoi Fitz.

Mind if I call you Fitz?

Sure. I've got no problem with Fitz. I actually acquired this name from my late cousin, who went by Miss Fitz.

I can't say I've ever been very active here on the forums though. I think that'll change now that I'm doing this at work. :D


@ReckNBall: I just wanted to tell you that your post made me smile like an idiot. That's absolutely amazing to hear, and fantastic that your wife is really on your team. I'm really happy now. :D

Silver Crusade

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On the topic of good news, my boyfriend is still amazing.

What I find interesting, though, is the comments from pretty much my entire family on how they have seen my overall outlook improve. It seems my ex-partner of 9 years was a real emotional drag. Apparently I am more upbeat and motivated than they have seen in the last decade.

(For what it's worth, I don't think that's entirely the result of my new bf, amazing though he is. I think it is the result of not being in my previous, suffocating relationship anymore.)


Got a group together and we're now in the party formation process for a sandbox campaign I'll run. The players all know I'm gay. One of them is bi, one straight, and I don't know about the rest. But they've come up with this so far:

A street crook gone good gnome bard (archaeologist).

A skald that wants a bunch of ways to improve his diplomacy and bluff.

A Disney prince-style paladin of the god of youth, athletics, new beginnings, creativity, etc.

The scion of an ancient elvish noble house, currently disowned for his scandalous relationship not with another guy-elf, but with a guy-human. (Said human will eventually become his cohort.) He's a diviner.

And the other player wasn't sure what he wanted to play, but leaned toward witch. I gave him a little cultural context about how a certain breed of snooty elf would see half-elves as scandalous and witches as scandalous. He immediately opted for the twofer and said something to the effect of: "Hey, if the party elf is the right age maybe my elf parent could be him?" The elf is one of those snooty elves so it fit well. The player of the elf leaped on it with great enthusiasm.

This will be neat.


Wow... you mean, your players are cooperating in setting up their characters? What a concept...

:)

Sounds like a lot of fun will be had.


Cheeseweasel wrote:

Wow... you mean, your players are cooperating in setting up their characters? What a concept...

:)

Sounds like a lot of fun will be had.

I'm particularly squee over the father-son pair. Rarely do my players have much interest in PCs with families.

Sovereign Court

One small step for America, One giant leap for Colorado.

Civil Unions were pasted today.

Not enough in my view but it's a step closer. Now to remove the Same Sex Marriage ban law and get same sex marriage legalized

Shadow Lodge

I've thought of something that might work, but I'm honestly not sure if it would hold up if it was tried.


Did anyone else see that recent comment by the MMA fighter Rashad Evans on his support of marriage equality?


Bill was passed to legalise same sex marriage in the UK about a month ago by quite a majority, despite (or because of) all the usual arguments being exhumed by the antis. Sure someone's mentioned it elsewhere, but not in this thread (so far as I can see)

Sovereign Court

Well you Europeans/British are So far ahead of us yanks and I do mean that. Got rid of slavery before us, now Same Sex Marriage

HUZZAH to your Country for being with the times and not behind it


IceniQueen wrote:

Well you Europeans/British are So far ahead of us yanks and I do mean that. Got rid of slavery before us, now Same Sex Marriage

HUZZAH to your Country for being with the times and not behind it

Well,my huge european ego is deeply flattered!

I posted about how same sex marriage was about to be voted in France a few pages ago and how coming from a civilian partnership to full same sex marriage had been a long road for us!
The fact that united kingdom is about to vote it at the same time and united states are deeply thinking about it(or at least that's what I see from France) make me feel like things are now really changing, and I hope for good!
Having read the Rashad Evans comment,I went on yahoo to read about it and was astonished to see that wherever you are the "anti" always have the same arguments as if they had been taught a lesson. So charming!

Liberty's Edge

So frustrated that the great and stodgy old motherland has gay marriage but Australia is still limping along at glacial speeds on this matter. *sigh*

Silver Crusade

Limeylongears wrote:

Bill was passed to legalise same sex marriage in the UK about a month ago by quite a majority, despite (or because of) all the usual arguments being exhumed by the antis. Sure someone's mentioned it elsewhere, but not in this thread (so far as I can see)

I knew I'd find it somewhere! December 27th!

Malachi Silverclaw wrote:

I hope you guys don't mind a straight guy's POV on something...

Here in Britain there are moves afoot to allow same sex marriages in churches, but churches would be allowed to 'opt out' (?)

One of the arguments put forward by the churches against same sex marriage is that 'it would destroy the sanctity of marriage!'

I can imagine a man and a woman who've been happily married for fifty years (I have a good imagination). They may very well consider their marriage to be sacred. What I cannot imagine is how the sanctity of their marriage would be affected in the slightest by a same sex marriage somewhere on the other side of the country!

Britain is a much more secular country than America (or Poland; sorry for your loss, Drejk). Can anyone with a more religious mindset explain to me how the marriage of some people you don't know is anyone else's business?

No-one's managed to explain it to me yet. : (

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's 'intolerance'! : )

Silver Crusade

I started to summarize the anti-SSM position, and then realized that it could be seen as inviting a debate on Same Sex Marriage into this thread. Once it gets derailed, it could be hard to rerail. It's probably best to ask in a separate thread, although you might not like the responses...


joela wrote:

Interesting forum post. Has anyone ever dealt with outright blatant homophobia or, more commonly, what I call "locker room" humor in their games, either from the GM, players, or both?

Example from a real game: "Your PC enter the prison section --"

"Oh, fu#@! Don't drop the soap!"
"Haha! Yeah, your elf better watch it in there, Brian. Or he's gonna get the shaft!"
"Yeah, Brian. And none of that mamsy-pansy safe shooting cr&% your character does all the time. These guys mean serious business, what with no women for so many years."
"Still can't tell if elves are male or female. Or how they like to get it."
"Hey, at least they're gettin' some, Mr. 40 year old virgin, either with pu#^# or fu$#@$ by a f!!$^&!"
"Ass#%$%! At least when I'm fu$#*^$, I know it's a lady, not like that b8$#@ you call your [girlfriend/wife/roommate with benefit]!"
"Fu#$ you, f~+$#^!"

Etc. NOTE: Cleaned up the language a bit. I left the group shortly.

I had a character assaulted in a prison shower. It was the nature of the game and campaign. It worked for the story and the gm and myself are in no way homophobic. Some of the rest of that gaming group however were--it came out that session. But then again so did the racism, sexism and otherwise awful bits of soul possessed by some folk. One of them got over it after a serious lecture. The other tried to laugh it off...we didn't let him. I dunno--our group is largely straight and white--but I guess we seriously have no time for the "expected" talk that supposedly goes on in those circumstances. In any case--lessons learned. Neither of them were invited past that game.


Oh, geez... I get on a plane in four and a half days to fly back to Alaska. It's taken FOREVER to get this close, and NOW it's like I have no time! Curse you, relative nature of time!

Excited to be going... OK, at THIS point, "panicked" may be a more accurate state-description.

:)

(Sorry for the derail... you may continue your serious discussions now.)

Liberty's Edge

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Letter from a dad to his gay son that's gone viral today. Read it if you're in need of a pick-me-up. :)


Saw it; that dad rocks.


@Alice: Thanks for the link- that dad/family is amazing. A lot of the buzz surrounding the image ranges from "this is awesome!" to "it's depressing that this is awesome."

Of course, finding that link lead me on a trail through the internet that ended up at celebrities that have come out as openly LGBT. Now, on the whole, I honestly don't care about celebrities. But there's something about hearing that someone I know- someone I recognize and have enjoyed in film or music- is openly LGBT that just makes me happy. Kinda takes the edge off of being a minority, you know? Sometimes I find it easy to forget how outnumbered I am when it comes to sexual orientation.

Though I've got to say, my favorite characters in several series were later revealed to be played by gay actors. I don't know what that means, but it makes me happy. (Sylar from Heroes, Zach Addy from Bones, Simon Tam from Firefly)


Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:

Bill was passed to legalise same sex marriage in the UK about a month ago by quite a majority, despite (or because of) all the usual arguments being exhumed by the antis. Sure someone's mentioned it elsewhere, but not in this thread (so far as I can see)

I knew I'd find it somewhere! December 27th!

Malachi Silverclaw wrote:

I hope you guys don't mind a straight guy's POV on something...

Here in Britain there are moves afoot to allow same sex marriages in churches, but churches would be allowed to 'opt out' (?)

One of the arguments put forward by the churches against same sex marriage is that 'it would destroy the sanctity of marriage!'

I can imagine a man and a woman who've been happily married for fifty years (I have a good imagination). They may very well consider their marriage to be sacred. What I cannot imagine is how the sanctity of their marriage would be affected in the slightest by a same sex marriage somewhere on the other side of the country!

Britain is a much more secular country than America (or Poland; sorry for your loss, Drejk). Can anyone with a more religious mindset explain to me how the marriage of some people you don't know is anyone else's business?

No-one's managed to explain it to me yet. : (

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's 'intolerance'! : )

it's actually very simple. So simple that understanding it will make you even more depressed because it is obvious that it simply will not change for some people.

1. The religions that have a problem with gay marriage are primarily revealed religions.

2. Revealed religions rely on proselytization to gain more followers.

3. People join because it puts across a basic set of rules that everyone has to follow.

4. If you don't believe as they do and follow different rules you have rejected the foundation of their belief, namely that all people should believe as they do; act as they do; value what they do.

So they believe that they have the right to tie whether you prefer innies or outies to morality--not because the preference is immoral in and of itself---but because they cannot allow for any part of their belief structure to change, If one part is false then couldn't all of it be false? This is why tying religion to morality is a dead end. Morality requires reflection and choice--it is based upon extremely simple premises--if it is inalterable because of a book that cannot change then it is a substitute for active moral thought. Gay marriage is their business because people who break that rule threaten all the rules. They really can't separate the idea of gay marriage from murder in the streets.


Sean FitzSimon wrote:


Of course, finding that link lead me on a trail through the internet that ended up at celebrities that have come out as openly LGBT. Now, on the whole, I honestly don't care about celebrities. But there's something about hearing that someone I know- someone I recognize and have enjoyed in film or music- is openly LGBT that just makes me happy. Kinda takes the edge off of being a minority, you know? Sometimes I find it easy to forget how outnumbered I am when it comes to sexual orientation.

Though I've got to say, my favorite characters in several series were later revealed to be played by gay actors. I don't know what that means, but it makes me happy. (Sylar from Heroes, Zach Addy from Bones, Simon Tam from Firefly)

Actually,I find it quite important to have celebrities coming out as LGBT.

The first reason is that it makes people face the fact that there are gay people out there,and helps sometimes break some clichés(in fact I long for a gay action movie star!).
The second one is that young gay people living in isolated towns need relatable persons to show them that there's nothing wrong with being gay.
When I was a teen I didn't have many gay exemples I could relate too except for the occasional Elton John and a few others.
So I had to build myself as a person and as a gay person which was in the end it has been profitable to me but I think I would have liked to have a celebrity to relate to and I think a lot of lesbian teenagers would have liked to know that Jodie Foster was a lesbian at that time!

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There's also a matter of -- it is hard for anyone to come out, with the risks that that takes. It is notably risky for a celebrity.

When a celebrity comes out, they are risking their entire careers--while this can be true of anyone, the fact that their career is being in the limelight makes it especially apparent that if their coming out goes wrong, they could never truly work at the level they can work at ever, ever again. Also because they are extremely open to public scrutiny and public access, they can open themselves up to all kinds of physical and emotional attack on a literally global scale. Even without a "scandal" or an outing to affect a celebrity, many people think they have a "right" to accessing the celebrity and try to violate their privacy all the time, let alone stalk and harrass them. So to reveal something so very personal when literally millions are watching them every day is a very hard thing to do.

While it's easier these days I think for a celebrity to out themselves, they still are open to a lot of scrutiny and discussion and violation of privacy; when celebrities were first coming out, it was all the more dangerous.

But that is why it is inspiring for others--you think, "okay, if this person can out themselves to the entire WORLD with all the risks that entails, maybe I can finally tell my dad I'm gay."

PLEASE do not misinterpret this post as to any idea that TLBG celebrities have it harder than anyone else. I am just noting why it is helpful to the community why it can be inspiring to those struggling with coming out, because of their very public and publicized lives.

If none of this makes any sense, ignore this and just watch Ellen Degeneres's interpretive dance on what it was like for her to come out.


DeathQuaker wrote:

There's also a matter of -- it is hard for anyone to come out, with the risks that that takes. It is notably risky for a celebrity.

When a celebrity comes out, they are risking their entire careers--while this can be true of anyone, the fact that their career is being in the limelight makes it especially apparent that if their coming out goes wrong, they could never truly work at the level they can work at ever, ever again. Also because they are extremely open to public scrutiny and public access, they can open themselves up to all kinds of physical and emotional attack on a literally global scale. Even without a "scandal" or an outing to affect a celebrity, many people think they have a "right" to accessing the celebrity and try to violate their privacy all the time, let alone stalk and harrass them. So to reveal something so very personal when literally millions are watching them every day is a very hard thing to do.

While it's easier these days I think for a celebrity to out themselves, they still are open to a lot of scrutiny and discussion and violation of privacy; when celebrities were first coming out, it was all the more dangerous.

But that is why it is inspiring for others--you think, "okay, if this person can out themselves to the entire WORLD with all the risks that entails, maybe I can finally tell my dad I'm gay."

PLEASE do not misinterpret this post as to any idea that TLBG celebrities have it harder than anyone else. I am just noting why it is helpful to the community why it can be inspiring to those struggling with coming out, because of their very public and publicized lives.

If none of this makes any sense, ignore this and just watch Ellen Degeneres's interpretive dance on what it was like for her to come out.

the episode where she came out was the only episode I truly enjoyed.  


GREATEST NEWS EVER!


DeathQuaker wrote:


If none of this makes any sense, ignore this and just watch Ellen Degeneres's interpretive dance on what it was like for her to come out.

Thank you for that!

Silver Crusade

Thanks Rocketman!

I was perversely hoping that they actually had some kind of defensible point, just so I could enjoy tearing it apart and shoving it down their throats.

Still no advance in bigotry since I last looked then.

If people just contented themselves that there was a god, then I could be mildly amused but not really care. But the outline you gave shows why I despise organised religion.


Well, everybody;

Tomorrow I spend appx. 15 hours in the hands of our travel industry, getting from FL to AK. Sans iPod, since I lost it two months ago >very sad face< so wish me well in repressing my urge to throw things at fellow travelers...

Dear friend picking me up at the airport, and feeding me, letting me shower, and dropping off to sleep.

Wish it were over: travel is the dead time between departure and arrival, imo.

Oh, well; the important thing is to get there.

Wish me luck!

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