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As the top decision-making body for the 3 million-member NEA, the RA responded by approving a new business item, calling on the Association to join a national effort to prevent acts of violence targeted at LGBTQ individuals and to protect their civil rights. The NBI calls on a multi-pronged approach in the courts and legislatures.

RA 2016 Educators stand behind LGBTQ community

It was a very exciting event to participate in, being one of the longest running and largest democratic assemblies in existence in the US.


Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
Don't forget, he played the character for decades, and probably has a very strong sense of who Hikaru Sulu is/was in his head, and that head-canon Sulu is straight.

He has also recently clarified his feelings on it a bit. In the wake of other criticism Star Trek was facing, Roddenberry apparently deliberately decided to not fight on the LBGT front as well. It sounds like George would prefer that Roddenberry's decisions and the vision of the characters based on them hold true. But he also clearly respects John Cho's portrayal and Simon Pegg's daring storytelling. So, I think everything's smoothing out just fine.

Personally, I think Simon Pegg's decision to write Sulu as gay is fantastic. Introducing a new gay character would pretty much scream tokenism, but casually introducing it as an aspect of a well-known character puts it where I think it belongs - a characteristic as non-controversial as hair or eye color to Federation society.


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I'm a bi 15 year-old guy, and it's pretty tough balancing what society says I should be and who I really want to be. However, the Pathfinder community has been one of the most welcoming communities I've come across and knowing that all NPCs are assumed to be bi has really helped me. This post is kinda deraily but I just wanted to put my thoughts out.

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Simeon wrote:
I'm a bi 15 year-old guy, and it's pretty tough balancing what society says I should be and who I really want to be. However, the Pathfinder community has been one of the most welcoming communities I've come across and knowing that all NPCs are assumed to be bi has really helped me. This post is kinda deraily but I just wanted to put my thoughts out.

Welcome!


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Simeon wrote:
I'm a bi 15 year-old guy, and it's pretty tough balancing what society says I should be and who I really want to be. However, the Pathfinder community has been one of the most welcoming communities I've come across and knowing that all NPCs are assumed to be bi has really helped me. This post is kinda deraily but I just wanted to put my thoughts out.

Welcome! And your post isn't deraily.

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Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

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Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

I'm sure it'll be fine. ^_^

Very happy for you! <3

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Kalindlara wrote:
Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

I'm sure it'll be fine. ^_^

Very happy for you! <3

Ditto.

Congratz Hrothdane! *hugs*


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Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

Congratulations. <3


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Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

Congratulations and good job!

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Just 14 more days till hotel check-in. Anybody else going to Gen Con?

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Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

You'll do fine! It's a heavily emotional moment for you, which makes it seem huge, but in the end it's just bureaucratic paperwork and nothing more.

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Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

Congrats! I was shaking when I filled in all my paperwork as well - I'm sure everything will be great!

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Thank you so much everyone! It's gone smooth so far. I go back on November 2nd to find out if it got accepted.

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Yay!


Hooray going smooth!


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Hrothdane wrote:
Thank you so much everyone! It's gone smooth so far. I go back on November 2nd to find out if it got accepted.

It's going to be a good feeling when you start seeing your name pop up in print, on your license, on your mail, etc.


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I really like this video on the subject of pandering.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
I really like this video on the subject of pandering.

Ahh "pandering" aka Stop reminding us that those people are allowed to exist!


Sorry, I forgot to put "pandering" in quotes.


"panders to the fact he exists as a paladin of Torm....somewhere*

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to put "pandering" in quotes.

Ish okay, I knew what you meant.

*pats Kobold on the head*


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I hate all the pro-ratfolk pandering in this industry. A Starfinder base race? Stats in the Bestiary 3? A whole section in the ARG?! This is an outrageous pro-ratfolk, anti-kobold agenda being put forward by Paizo!

...I'll just see myself out.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:

I hate all the pro-ratfolk pandering in this industry. A Starfinder base race? Stats in the Bestiary 3? A whole section in the ARG?! This is an outrageous pro-ratfolk, anti-kobold agenda being put forward by Paizo!

...I'll just see myself out.

*shoves faster*


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*Hooks KC back in*

"You have a valid point there. Come on over here and stand with the tengu and we can try to become pandered together!"

*coughs* j/k!

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Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

Congrats: May it all come together in the best way possible!


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

*Hooks KC back in*

"You have a valid point there. Come on over here and stand with the tengu and we can try to become pandered together!"

*coughs* j/k!

I can't help the kobold, but does this kenku costume (more) work for you?


Hrothdane wrote:
Finally taking in my legal name and gender change paperwork tomorrow! I'm so nervous that I've been shaking as I got the paperwork copied and ordered. I'm just scared to death of %#*£ing something up :(

That's so awesome! Congrats!


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Crystal Frasier wrote:
Hrothdane wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Hrothdane wrote:

A faction of the republican group at my school invited this incredibly incendiary anti-feminist, anti-LGBT speaker (Milo something). For the past month they've been putting up posters everywhere saying things like "social justice is cancer," the six-letter f-word, the t-word, attacking the Black Students' Union, and more generally insulting things to feminists. They just put up a ton more posters today.

I'm not even angry. I'm just sad to know that there are people like that in my school.

What is your school's policy on sexist, racist, and anti-LGBT harassment? Perhaps if you and some like-minded people make the case to the school admins that such speech and speakers (and posters advertising them) violate the school's own fairness standards and policies against harassment and hate speech, the Republican group and similar organizations could be required to hold such events off-campus?
Some of my friends that work at the LGBT center are gathering evidence to present the case to the administration.
You mean M!lo Y!annopoulos? That guy helps direct a massive hate group! I can't believe your school would condone that!

It isn't much justice, but after his latest hatefest, Twitter permanently suspended his account.

(I slightly modified his name to keep it from popping up on Google searches and alerts)

Edit: Oops, fixed link.


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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
It isn't much justice, but after his latest hatefest, Twitter permanently suspended his account.

I'll take what I can get at this point...

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... um is the link working? It keeps taking me to the same place Huginn's link went...


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Rysky wrote:
... um is the link working? It keeps taking me to the same place Huginn's link went...

Oops. Now fixed.

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Rysky wrote:
... um is the link working? It keeps taking me to the same place Huginn's link went...
Oops. Now fixed.

Sowwy, thankies :3

Poor Jones...


Hrothdane wrote:
Thank you so much everyone! It's gone smooth so far. I go back on November 2nd to find out if it got accepted.

You have made an awesome step. <3


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The NBA goes ahead with its plan to move the All-Star Game out of North Carolina in response to H.B.2.


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So something interesting happened yesterday.

Years ago (I don't recall how many), I volunteered at a charity bookstore. For a while, there was another volunteer there, a really nice guy. We got along great, he was probably the first guy I ever had feelings for...
And then he left without any real notice or anything (for school, I believe), and I didn't have any way of keeping in touch so we just haven't talked since.

So I saw a guy at work yesterday who seemed oddly familiar, asked him if he had volunteered at the place, and it turned out to be him! We didn't really get any further because it was busy but...

I'm not getting my hopes up or anything, just thought that was interesting.


Well, I saw Star Trek Beyond. I have a complaint in regards to their Portrayal of Sulu. I put it in the thread there, but I'll repost it (as a spoiler as well) here.

Spoiler:

Sulu is supposedly Gay. The movie doesn't make this actually all that obvious. What made me rather irate was that they had to use another oriental to be his companion. WHY? If it was meant as a homage to Takei, it should have been someone who was European in background. Even moreso, they could have made it obvious with someone of a different background, or even different creature!

Instead, what we see could have been someone who was his brother, his cousin, or some other individual which he just happened to be really close to or good friends with. It is slight in what they show, and the way they did it makes it so it could actually be passed off as a bunch of other items instead.

They see each other after a long absence (three years I suppose) and what do they do, they hug, and then take off with their arms on each other's back. Not exactly a couple that hasn't seen each other for ages type thing...more like what siblings do. Couples would be endless kisses and barely containing themselves from being all over each other in public...

Seriously, if I hadn't known about the press and other items concerning this, I truly may have just thought that it was

Spoiler:

Some relative of Sulu's instead of his spouse. That was about as clear as mud in the way they portrayed it. I was expecting something significant, and instead got something so minor that I've seen greater displays of affection from siblings and cousins, or heck, even old highschool classmates that haven't seen each other in years at a 10 year reunion!

To me if they were trying to represent anything special there, to me, they missed the opportunity.

Spoiler:

If I were Takei, I think the more bothersome thing now, isn't that they portrayed Sulu as Gay or Homosexual being out of character in Takei's mind, but that they said they do, but didn't really do it to what I consider truly showing he is LGBT. I think there are other ways that they could have done it, in just as short a time, but much more obvious and apparent.

Anyways, enough of my mini-rant.

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Sounds a bit like Mitch and Cam from Modern Family, who never kiss on the show despite every other couple doing so. The entertainment industry has a way to go in that regard.

I think your first comment is off base, though. There is no wrong choice for the ethnicity of his husband. Presumably in the Star Trek future, people still tend to pair up within their own cultural background due to shared experiences or whatnot, as evidenced by the fact that today's races still exist, and the entire cast isn't of mixed race.

As an aside, "oriental" has not been an acceptable label for human beings in decades. Using it probably does not help your argument.

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GreyWolfLord wrote:

Well, I saw Star Trek Beyond. I have a complaint in regards to their Portrayal of Sulu. I put it in the thread there, but I'll repost it (as a spoiler as well) here.

Spoiler:
Sulu is supposedly Gay. The movie doesn't make this actually all that obvious. What made me rather irate was that they had to use another oriental to be his companion. WHY? If it was meant as a homage to Takei, it should have been someone who was European in background. Even moreso, they could have made it obvious with someone of a different background, or even different creature!
Instead, what we see could have been someone who was his brother, his cousin, or some other individual which he just happened to be really close to or good friends with. It is slight in what they show, and the way they did it makes it so it could actually be passed off as a bunch of other items instead.

They see each other after a long absence (three years I suppose) and what do they do, they hug, and then take off with their arms on each other's back. Not exactly a couple that hasn't seen each other for ages type thing...more like what siblings do. Couples would be endless kisses and barely containing themselves from being all over each other in public...

Er...

Spoiler:

A) "another oriental"? I don't remember whether you've said whether you're a native English speaker, but if you're not, be advised that "oriental" used for people is considered outdated and kinda racist.

B) A man from San Francisco who's of Japanese heritage can only have other people of Asian descent as people he's really close to or good friends with?

:-/


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GreyWolfLord wrote:

Well, I saw Star Trek Beyond. I have a complaint in regards to their Portrayal of Sulu. I put it in the thread there, but I'll repost it (as a spoiler as well) here.

Spoiler:
Sulu is supposedly Gay. The movie doesn't make this actually all that obvious. What made me rather irate was that they had to use another oriental to be his companion. WHY? If it was meant as a homage to Takei, it should have been someone who was European in background. Even moreso, they could have made it obvious with someone of a different background, or even different creature!

Instead, what we see could have been someone who was his brother, his cousin, or some other individual which he just happened to be really close to or good friends with. It is slight in what they show, and the way they did it makes it so it could actually be passed off as a bunch of other items instead.

They see each other after a long absence (three years I suppose) and what do they do, they hug, and then take off with their arms on each other's back. Not exactly a couple that hasn't seen each other for ages type thing...more like what siblings do. Couples would be endless kisses and barely containing themselves from being all over each other in public...

Seriously, if I hadn't known about the press and other items concerning this, I truly may have just thought that it was

Actually:
John Cho, who plays Sulu wrote:

“I had requested that my husband be Asian,” the actor told The A.V. Club.

“Basically it was a little Valentine to the gay Asian friends that I grew up with,” Cho explained in a Vulture interview. “This may be presumptuous, but I always felt the Asian gay men that I knew had much heavier cultural-shame issues… I felt like those guys didn’t date Asian men because of that cultural shame. So I wanted it to seem really normal in the future. I thought that would be the most normal thing, that there was zero shame in the future. I don’t know if that hit or not, but it was something that I felt in my gut and asked for that.”

Edit: Oops, apparently Benchak already answered this in the movie thread.


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Jessica Price wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:

Well, I saw Star Trek Beyond. I have a complaint in regards to their Portrayal of Sulu. I put it in the thread there, but I'll repost it (as a spoiler as well) here.

** spoiler omitted **

Er...

** spoiler omitted **

Asian myself, but not from that portion of Asia (Actually, half Irish, half Asian). I was unaware others found Oriental offensive. There are other words and actions I find much more offensive towards those from various parts of Asia or other forms of prejudice dialogue towards what I appear or sound like (I suppose Trans-man or Trans-woman could have similar issues, but I am not a Trans-man) occasionally (such as referring to me as a woman despite me repeatedly informing someone I am NOT a woman...I believe I look and appear quite male, but that's me speaking).

Now days I tend to avoid South West Asia (a LOT of restrictive laws there, many of which can get one executed...not something I'm too fond of testing these days) and live in the US. I occasionally go to Europe as well (relatives from there).

I've been referred to as Oriental many times, but that tends to be in Europe. I never took it as an insult myself, but perhaps there is some stigma attached to it for those from Far East Asia or something in the US?

In that light, is the term Asian okay?

Spoiler:

In Southwest Asia, they still have homosexuality, but in many nations you can receive the death penalty if you are caught. It has an extremely STRONG bias against it. In Southwest Asia it's probably even more discriminated against then from East Asia, and especially Japan which is what area I believe Sulu is supposed to be from. In Japan I think there is a bias against it (I've been to Southwest Asia a LOT, Japan...not so much), but you don't get executed for it, and I believe they've had many rights in Japan lacking elsewhere, as well as recognition. China is more restrictive, but as I said, I think Sulu is actually supposed to be Japanese. Cho I think is a Korean last name? It was restrictive (though not as much as SW Asia) in the past, but over the past 30 years I think they've gotten to be one of the most relaxed nations towards LGBT in Asia...from what I've heard. In the US, there are far more traditional values in the Korean population (and other Eastern Asian backgrounds) than in Asia proper, which may be what Cho is relating to?

In that light, I understand what Cho is thinking on the Asian and Asian part, but the way they present it in the movie, the other guy could LITERALLY BE HIS BROTHER rather than his lover or spouse. In fact, the way they present it would be inoffensive to most Asians I know because the way they present it is NOT as a couple who are gay but a related couple.

That's VERY down low and not really in your face at all. I do more kisses to my cousin with a traditional greeting than what they did in Star Trek: Beyond! There's more emotion when I see an aunt or Uncle!

If there is zero shame, then it should actually SHOW zero shame. It shouldn't look like some brother or cousin greeting their relative back...it should be two spouses greeting each other!

The way they did it, a better way would have been with two people from different races or even species. It still might be unclear, as they may just be good friends, but it would be more clear than how they presented it in ST:B.

Perhaps it was expectations. I went to the movie expecting to see them represent a real couple which in that situation, I would have thought (3 year absence) would have lots of typical couple reunion rejoicings...such as a ton of kisses, and other things.

It was VERY sedate, to put it lightly.

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Yeah, at least in the US, "oriental" is not generally used for people. We use "Asian" or a reference to where a person is from (Japanese, Malaysian, etc.).

That's interesting about Asian norms. Sulu's supposed to be from San Francisco. And as Ambrosia notes above, John Cho requested that his husband be Asian.


The use of oriental in the US varies geographically. I've had a lot of white people from the western US tell me it's racist, which was news to both me and my asian friends the first time we were told that (I'm a southerner). The two words (oriental/asian) are also fairly interchangable in the Northeast. Perhaps it's a bigger issue out west since there's a larger asian-american population.


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Wow! :) This Thursday the 28th, Sarah McBride will be the first openly transgender woman to speak on the stage at the Democratic National Committee. (McBride is national press secretary for the Human Rights Campaign Foundation and a member of the steering committee for Trans United for Hillary.) Yay!


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Two big pieces of news at University of Wisconsin-Madison, where I teach and dissertate.

Transgender UW researcher denied coverage for gender confirmation surgery, complaint says

First, a cancer researcher has filed a complaint with the EEOC, with the help of the ACLU, to get the school to pay for the surgery she had last October. She's suing for the full cost of the surgery.

Really, really hope she wins this.

Second:

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However, on July 12, the Group Insurance Board approved ending its exclusion of benefits and services related to gender reassignment or sexual transformation, effective January 2017. The board's lawyers recommended the change after the federal government issued final regulations in May regarding a portion of the Affordable Care Act related to discrimination, according to a board document.

The Department of Employee Trust Funds, which controls our benefits, points to Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and regulations from the EEOC to support the new coverage.

Now if they just do right by the woman who's suing, things'll be good. Good on her for going for it.

On, Wisconsin! and all that.


Trekkie90909 wrote:
The use of oriental in the US varies geographically. I've had a lot of white people from the western US tell me it's racist, which was news to both me and my asian friends the first time we were told that (I'm a southerner). The two words (oriental/asian) are also fairly interchangable in the Northeast. Perhaps it's a bigger issue out west since there's a larger asian-american population.

I have heard much the same. When I grew up, it was the opposite (Asian is offensive, oriental is not). Not sure when or how it switched. Maybe I've just been living that long, which is...depressing. although it beats the alternative.

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KSF wrote:
Two big pieces of news at University of Wisconsin-Madison, where I teach and dissertate.

Hail, fellow Badger, and FORWARD. :-)

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Freehold DM wrote:
Trekkie90909 wrote:
The use of oriental in the US varies geographically. I've had a lot of white people from the western US tell me it's racist, which was news to both me and my asian friends the first time we were told that (I'm a southerner). The two words (oriental/asian) are also fairly interchangable in the Northeast. Perhaps it's a bigger issue out west since there's a larger asian-american population.
I have heard much the same. When I grew up, it was the opposite (Asian is offensive, oriental is not). Not sure when or how it switched. Maybe I've just been living that long, which is...depressing. although it beats the alternative.

Discussion of it here, here, and here.


Jessica Price wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Trekkie90909 wrote:
The use of oriental in the US varies geographically. I've had a lot of white people from the western US tell me it's racist, which was news to both me and my asian friends the first time we were told that (I'm a southerner). The two words (oriental/asian) are also fairly interchangable in the Northeast. Perhaps it's a bigger issue out west since there's a larger asian-american population.
I have heard much the same. When I grew up, it was the opposite (Asian is offensive, oriental is not). Not sure when or how it switched. Maybe I've just been living that long, which is...depressing. although it beats the alternative.
Discussion of it here, here, and here.

going by the articles and the math, I may simply have been born at the exact time for phrasing to go out of style by the time I became an adult. Hm. I wonder if my grandmother felt that way about colored vs negro and later black. Then again, she was always weird...

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