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A heads up on an uncomfortable item that just popped up in this thread.
Commenting that you don't like something is one thing, advocating or cheering the injury or harming of another is something that I'm not entirely sure is within the forum rules and I'm not sure I'm comfortable in regards to the context.
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GWL, are you referring to the pizza parlor getting shut down, or something else?
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GWL, are you referring to the pizza parlor getting shut down, or something else?
They deleted a post of mine which quoted another post. I'm not sure if you are asking about that post or another.
If you are referring to the comment I put above, it's simply regarding this (for clarity).
We should not cheer or advocate harming others simply because of who they are or what they believe.
There are prime examples of this in the past two pages (that avoided deletion even) that are advocating harming others simply because of belief.
Is it right to advocate harming LGBT or others simply because of what they say. How much more wrong is it to advocate harm if those statements don't even have actions to back them up? Do we want LGBT people getting lynched simply because they say something? Is that what this thread wants to really advocate, lynching LGBT and others (not necessarily LGBT) simply because of things they say?
I've always been against that type of stuff, I find it abhorrent. We should not wish physical harm on anyone else simply because of their words or feelings in the US. (and that's something I've been pretty solid on to the confusion of some, if you ever want to know my reasoning behind something in defending someone who has stated something and others are advocating physical retaliation...it's because I do not feel we should retaliate in that manner against most [so, yes, I may even have exceptions] people simply for saying or speaking).
Now if there are actual actions...that could be a different matter, but wishing harm on someone simply because they say something (for example, someone says something you don't agree with on these forums...does that mean you are validated to ask someone to physically retaliate in some manner? I personally think that's wrong)...to me...that's the wrong course of action.
We should think about exactly what we are advocating for and why before pushing for that course of action.
I think Minorities (that includes LGBT, but it is FAR more broad) especially since many of us have had similar things happen to us. I've lost jobs, been kicked out of areas, and much worse simply because of who I am. I don't even have to say things and that happens. Obviously, seeing that in real life has made it so that I feel that this is wrong to do to others. In my opinion, WE CANNOT advocate doing the same thing (hurting others simply because of who they are, or what they say) simply because we don't like it because if we do...we become the same as those who also do it.
Hopefully that clarifies that enough. If you are asking about the pizza parlour, I'll put it in a different post.
GWL, are you referring to the pizza parlor getting shut down, or something else?
I'm uncertain about the prior post, I think my prior post was deleted due to another post it quoted. I'll try to be factual about that specifically and not to intrude much of anything other than that (except one snippet on my original take on their statements).
As for the pizza parlor in Indiana...it was clarified why they shut down.
Remember, this pizza parlor has never catered ANY wedding (which is was ironic at the time they original mentioned it), and never refused any LGBT folks who ate at their joint prior to this. It was a hypothetical situation that for some reason came up in an interview.
I personally felt it was hilarious (edit to clarify: not in hilarious as what they mentioned as their statements were NOT humorous at all, but hilarious as in the irony of it and how people might believe a pizza joint would actually cater ANY wedding or any of us would want pizza catered to OUR weddings in the first place...which now doesn't seem so hilarious as people took it far more serious than it should have been considering the situation and the fact that due to that response the pizza place probably have made far more money then they ever dreamed of) as they don't cater to weddings anyways and this was only a business move for publicity (and in some ways...it's worked, they've made a ton of money without even being open!).
HOWEVER, some people took it seriously, and took it WAAAAAAY to far. Their phones got clogged to the point that no one could get through.
Yelp was shown why it's not dependable as a review site.
But the worst was when the parlor had to shut down. They started receiving death threats against them and eventually against any who may be at the restaurant at the time those death threats were carried out.
I'm not certain if it was the restaurant or the police (it's not been made clear) that shut it down for public safety and the safety of the owners.
Because of the nature of the threats they are uncertain when it will be safe to reopen or if they will reopen (at least from the reports that I read).
One of the threats that has been made public by the police was
Who's going to Walkerton with me to burn down Memories Pizza
Though the media has specified who this person is, I have no idea if the person is connected in any way, shape, or form to anyone else, or if this was just some unconnected person who decided to make the statement. It could be a disgruntled relative, some unhappy neighbor, or anyone else for all we know.
On the other side of the coin...the pizza joint has also made (updated) 500,000+ USD from their little (In MY OPINION again) publicity stunt while remaining closed (edit: and more irony, there are some who said they were headed towards foreclosure prior to this event as well). This in a pizza place that was in a town under 3000 and probably didn't have income like that even when they were open.
And that's what's up with that.
How about getting back to LGBT information...on a more upbeat note...
Here's a story about Christian LGBT people and their struggle to be accepted into the Christian community as a whole
About the Metropolitian Community Church
It is rather long though...but a great article.
On an even more upbeat note for those who dont' want a long article, and to end this on a MUCH MORE POSITIVE NOTE...
Thanks for the clarifications, and I agree with you on both points.
Particularly, on the point about the pizza place being all a publicity stunt. They close ONE DAY after the story breaks? Clearly they were planning on closing already, and using this as a way to seem like martyrs to the gullible right-wingers.
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I personally felt it was hilarious (edit to clarify: not in hilarious as what they mentioned as their statements were NOT humorous at all, but hilarious as in the irony of it and how people might believe a pizza joint would actually cater ANY wedding or any of us would want pizza catered to OUR weddings in the first place
The rehearsal dinner for my first wedding was at a local pizza place.
(Pointing it out mostly because I hear people joking about how unimaginable it would be for a pizza place to cater a wedding -- but there are more wedding-themed events involving food than just the wedding itself.)
I think it is pretty cynical to assume that they made the comment in the belief that it would cause people to give them property and death threats so that a website run by a conservative pundit (Glen Beck) would set up a fund raiser for them and it would raise hundreds of thousands of dollars that they will of course get 100% of it despite it being set up by someone else. I mean, that kind of planning would be a level of genius that frankly the owners in the interview did not convey, which I guess is just more proof of their genius.
Most likely the reporter mentioned the other wedding related cases (florists, bakers, photographers, etc) and the owner then responded with her comment about not being willing to do that as well.
Frankly, I would wager that most people would much rather continue living their lives without death threats, than to exchange that for almost any amount of money. "I live everyday in terror as to what someone crazy will do, but hey at least I got a few bucks in my pocket."
Maybe I'm just too damn cynical.
...Frankly, I would wager that most people would much rather continue living their lives without death threats, than to exchange that for almost any amount of money. "I live everyday in terror as to what someone crazy will do, but hey at least I got a few bucks in my pocket."
True, and I'm not condoning the threats, but at least they got paid. A lot of LGBTQ peeps spend every day experiencing at least some form of threatened physical violence or threatened economic retribution just for daring to live and breathe, and they don't get paid anything for it.
I imagine that laws in Indiana, Georgia, North Carolina, and elsewhere that make it illegal to discriminate against people for their sexual preference or gender identity would help move most everyone else along toward tolerance or even acceptance, but apparently some politicians and their most vocal fringe constituents think that's too big an infringement on their right to be a douchebag. Which is why this "religious freedom" law specifically stripped out existing protections in LGBTQ-friendly cities and counties in Indiana.
Maybe I'll make my empathy check for the pizzeria owners tomorrow.
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I personally felt it was hilarious (edit to clarify: not in hilarious as what they mentioned as their statements were NOT humorous at all, but hilarious as in the irony of it and how people might believe a pizza joint would actually cater ANY wedding or any of us would want pizza catered to OUR weddings in the first placeThe rehearsal dinner for my first wedding was at a local pizza place.
(Pointing it out mostly because I hear people joking about how unimaginable it would be for a pizza place to cater a wedding -- but there are more wedding-themed events involving food than just the wedding itself.)
I don't think I've ever been at one with pizza, but I've been to some pretty low key weddings. The first same sex wedding I went to was pot luck, for example.
Not all weddings have to be giant formal affairs.
Could you tell that to my boyfriend? Not that we're actually engaged yet, but I'm braced for the bank account-busting future wedding all the same :)
My wife and I got married in our back yard (and yes we served pizza!) total cost for everything: around 1,000 bucks.
I got married at the Grand prospect ballroom.
You've seen it in your dreams.
Could you tell that to my boyfriend? Not that we're actually engaged yet, but I'm braced for the bank account-busting future wedding all the same :)I personally felt it was hilarious (edit to clarify: not in hilarious as what they mentioned as their statements were NOT humorous at all, but hilarious as in the irony of it and how people might believe a pizza joint would actually cater ANY wedding or any of us would want pizza catered to OUR weddings in the first placeThe rehearsal dinner for my first wedding was at a local pizza place.
(Pointing it out mostly because I hear people joking about how unimaginable it would be for a pizza place to cater a wedding -- but there are more wedding-themed events involving food than just the wedding itself.)
I don't think I've ever been at one with pizza, but I've been to some pretty low key weddings. The first same sex wedding I went to was pot luck, for example.
Not all weddings have to be giant formal affairs.
Could you tell that to my boyfriend? Not that we're actually engaged yet, but I'm braced for the bank account-busting future wedding all the same :)I personally felt it was hilarious (edit to clarify: not in hilarious as what they mentioned as their statements were NOT humorous at all, but hilarious as in the irony of it and how people might believe a pizza joint would actually cater ANY wedding or any of us would want pizza catered to OUR weddings in the first placeThe rehearsal dinner for my first wedding was at a local pizza place.
(Pointing it out mostly because I hear people joking about how unimaginable it would be for a pizza place to cater a wedding -- but there are more wedding-themed events involving food than just the wedding itself.)
I don't think I've ever been at one with pizza, but I've been to some pretty low key weddings. The first same sex wedding I went to was pot luck, for example.
Not all weddings have to be giant formal affairs.
If I build a raft and start sailing, I might reach NY just in time...
Crystal and I just had a party at a friends house. At some point it would be nice to do the big thing but weddings are exepensive.
And if I got that right you have expensive zone disadvantage. Just like Celestial Healer.
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My wife and I got married at the bookstore at which we met.
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Thanks! In fact, I think there's a video of it. Googling intensifies Ah, found it!
The store let us use the space for free in exchange for letting them use the video as a promotional thing.
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My partner and I got married at the Orange County Courthouse:
Courthouse image
Old OC Courthouse
Its was lovely and while we couldn't have many guests (6 was a crowd) it was a beautiful venue.
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Oh there's a thread! That's lovely to learn.
Hi, I'm Shadow Knight. Didn't mean to intrude, I'm just passing by. Hope everyone is having a fine day. :)
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Thanks!
I am really glad I decided to check out Paizo and stick around, I'm surprised by how deliberately inclusive it is. It's a breath of fresh air when the majority of the media I consume (particularly fantasy) is so aggressively heteronormative, cis and straight.
This feels like respite.
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Yay new people!
Agreed.
Welcome, Shadowknight
Thanks for the warm welcome!
Happy birthday, pH unbalanced!
Today is my tenth birthday.
It's been quite the decade.
..uh...Happy birthday, youngling?