paizo.com Recent Posts in Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.paizo.com Recent Posts in Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.2012-04-16T07:26:35Z2012-04-16T07:26:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Dennis Baker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1342013-04-15T05:31:41Z2013-04-15T05:31:41Z<p>Heroism lasts 10 minutes per level which means you can easily keep it online for 50 minutes with each guzzle. Good hope with just 1 minute per level often winds up a 1-2 encounter buff while heroism is an all day helper.</p>Heroism lasts 10 minutes per level which means you can easily keep it online for 50 minutes with each guzzle. Good hope with just 1 minute per level often winds up a 1-2 encounter buff while heroism is an all day helper.Dennis Baker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)2013-04-15T05:31:41ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.GreenMandarhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1332013-04-15T04:47:08Z2013-04-15T04:47:08Z<p>Crap sorry for the Necro, by the time I got through this I forgot it came up in a search and wsd an old post.</p>Crap sorry for the Necro, by the time I got through this I forgot it came up in a search and wsd an old post.GreenMandar2013-04-15T04:47:08ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.GreenMandarhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1322013-04-15T04:42:06Z2013-04-15T04:42:06Z<p>Why heroism? Get Good Hope.</p>Why heroism? Get Good Hope.GreenMandar2013-04-15T04:42:06ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Gluttonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1312012-04-23T23:55:18Z2012-04-23T23:55:18Z<p>I'm pretty sure I can't use the words people attribute the acronym "PFS" to around here in this forum.</p>I'm pretty sure I can't use the words people attribute the acronym "PFS" to around here in this forum.Glutton2012-04-23T23:55:18ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Lunehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1302012-04-23T12:28:35Z2012-04-23T12:28:35Z<p>Well, I know we aren't talking about PFS here... but even in PFS I'm not sure who would be available to make potions above level 12 anyway due to the level cap. </p>
<p>In home games the issue can be dealth with easily by DM fiat followed by creative role play. I'd still think that potions with CL over minimum would be somewhat available, although high CL potions would be difficult to impossible to find.</p>Well, I know we aren't talking about PFS here... but even in PFS I'm not sure who would be available to make potions above level 12 anyway due to the level cap.
In home games the issue can be dealth with easily by DM fiat followed by creative role play. I'd still think that potions with CL over minimum would be somewhat available, although high CL potions would be difficult to impossible to find.Lune2012-04-23T12:28:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Thalin (alias of Anonymous User 747)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1292012-04-23T12:14:31Z2012-04-23T12:14:31Z<p>Well, not PFS says "don't have 20th level casters vending potions". It's similar to the rule that you can't spend over a certain amount on a single item. Violating that rule leads to the capacity of having overpowered characters.</p>
<p>PFS takes care of that by saying only potions of the lowest level are avail; it's a good rule for home campaigns that want to avoid OP's problem.</p>
<p>There, problem solved on both PFS and home campaigns, assuming the home wants it solved.</p>Well, not PFS says "don't have 20th level casters vending potions". It's similar to the rule that you can't spend over a certain amount on a single item. Violating that rule leads to the capacity of having overpowered characters.
PFS takes care of that by saying only potions of the lowest level are avail; it's a good rule for home campaigns that want to avoid OP's problem.
There, problem solved on both PFS and home campaigns, assuming the home wants it solved.Thalin (alias of Anonymous User 747)2012-04-23T12:14:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1282012-04-23T07:35:25Z2012-04-23T07:35:25Z<p>PFS discussions here have all gotten very ugly. It's not a rule, it's just polite.</p>PFS discussions here have all gotten very ugly. It's not a rule, it's just polite.blackbloodtroll2012-04-23T07:35:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Lunehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1272012-04-23T07:32:25Z2012-04-23T07:32:25Z<p>But its ok to talk about reasons for picking the avatars that we did? Man, I really need to read up on these complex forum rules. </p>
<p>;)</p>But its ok to talk about reasons for picking the avatars that we did? Man, I really need to read up on these complex forum rules.
;)Lune2012-04-23T07:32:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1262012-04-23T06:51:15Z2012-04-23T06:51:15Z<p>I thought we decided to drop the PFS stuff, as the OP never alluded to it.</p>I thought we decided to drop the PFS stuff, as the OP never alluded to it.blackbloodtroll2012-04-23T06:51:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Austin Morganhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1252012-04-23T06:49:32Z2012-04-23T06:49:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Starbuck_II wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/potions </blockquote><p>I'm pretty sure that table isn't PFS-legal.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">That Table wrote:</div><blockquote>The following table is taken from d20srd.org, the definitive 3.5 SRD resource (it was not created or provided by Paizo.)</blockquote><p>Starbuck_II wrote:http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/potions
I'm pretty sure that table isn't PFS-legal. That Table wrote:The following table is taken from d20srd.org, the definitive 3.5 SRD resource (it was not created or provided by Paizo.)Austin Morgan2012-04-23T06:49:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1242012-04-23T06:33:42Z2012-04-23T06:33:42Z<p>My avatar says I am afraid of horses, and hate dogs. Both are true.</p>My avatar says I am afraid of horses, and hate dogs. Both are true.blackbloodtroll2012-04-23T06:33:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Gluttonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1232012-04-23T06:32:11Z2012-04-23T06:32:11Z<p>Was a comic book by Alan Moore (watchmen/V for vendetta etc) that was based on governments rounding up all the weirdos and superheros after WWII and putting them in cities, and the books are mostly about the Cops and their somewhat zany existence. One of the first guys busted in the book is a old nuts cabbie that looks eerily similar to your avatar named <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Characters_from_Top_10#Bob_.22Blindshot.22_Booker" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bob "Blindshot" Booker</a>. You can google search an image, his mantra was "I don't drive the cab, the cab drives me".</p>Was a comic book by Alan Moore (watchmen/V for vendetta etc) that was based on governments rounding up all the weirdos and superheros after WWII and putting them in cities, and the books are mostly about the Cops and their somewhat zany existence. One of the first guys busted in the book is a old nuts cabbie that looks eerily similar to your avatar named Bob "Blindshot" Booker. You can google search an image, his mantra was "I don't drive the cab, the cab drives me".Glutton2012-04-23T06:32:11ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1222012-04-23T06:25:39Z2012-04-23T06:25:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Glutton wrote:</div><blockquote> Haha really you pull it because of top ten? </blockquote><p>I really have no idea what that is.
<p>I chose it because it looked like a goofy old man running around in a blindfold like a RAVING lunatic.</p>Glutton wrote:Haha really you pull it because of top ten?
I really have no idea what that is. I chose it because it looked like a goofy old man running around in a blindfold like a RAVING lunatic.Ravingdork2012-04-23T06:25:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Gluttonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1212012-04-23T06:15:35Z2012-04-23T06:15:35Z<p>Haha really you pull it because of top ten?</p>Haha really you pull it because of top ten?Glutton2012-04-23T06:15:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1202012-04-23T06:10:21Z2012-04-23T06:10:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Glutton wrote:</div><blockquote>RD's the zen taxi driver </blockquote><p>How'd you know? ;PGlutton wrote:RD's the zen taxi driver
How'd you know? ;PRavingdork2012-04-23T06:10:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Gluttonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1192012-04-23T05:46:41Z2012-04-23T05:46:41Z<p>God RD's avatar makes me think of the zen taxi driver</p>God RD's avatar makes me think of the zen taxi driverGlutton2012-04-23T05:46:41ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1182012-04-23T05:13:45Z2012-04-23T05:13:45Z<p>Just remember, the OP was not concerned with PFS, so let that discussion happen somewhere else.</p>Just remember, the OP was not concerned with PFS, so let that discussion happen somewhere else.blackbloodtroll2012-04-23T05:13:45ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Lunehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1172012-04-23T03:37:02Z2012-04-23T03:37:02Z<p>lol, that just makes it funnier.</p>lol, that just makes it funnier.Lune2012-04-23T03:37:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1162012-04-23T03:15:59Z2012-04-23T03:15:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lune wrote:</div><blockquote> I can't tell if that is a serious suggestion or a sarcastic one, Ravingdork. Either way it is funny. </blockquote><p>I honestly wasn't too sure myself when I wrote it.Lune wrote:I can't tell if that is a serious suggestion or a sarcastic one, Ravingdork. Either way it is funny.
I honestly wasn't too sure myself when I wrote it.Ravingdork2012-04-23T03:15:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Lunehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1152012-04-23T03:11:21Z2012-04-23T03:11:21Z<p>I can't tell if that is a serious suggestion or a sarcastic one, Ravingdork. Either way it is funny. </p>
<p>As far as PFS is concerned I'm not sure what the logic behind getting any items made for you that are higher than CL12, though. Well... I guess except that I suppose a crafter could use the tricks that Ravingdork posted above.</p>I can't tell if that is a serious suggestion or a sarcastic one, Ravingdork. Either way it is funny.
As far as PFS is concerned I'm not sure what the logic behind getting any items made for you that are higher than CL12, though. Well... I guess except that I suppose a crafter could use the tricks that Ravingdork posted above.Lune2012-04-23T03:11:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1142012-04-22T15:39:07Z2012-04-22T15:39:07Z<p>I skimmed much of the thread after the first 50 posts as it seemed to seriously derail. As to the original topic, however:</p>
<p>If you are going to assume that you can buy CL 20 potions without any trouble at all (something that would be perfectly acceptable in our groups—and I'm surprised to see so much upset about it) than why not go all the way? It's easy enough to buff CL. Just assume you have found a specialist in the desired spell (who also happens to be able to brew potions). For example...</p>
<p>Get a CL 27 potion of extended heroism instead of CL 20!</p>
<p>20 CL base
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03 Spell Perfection (doubling other feats bonuses)
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02 CL Spell Specialization
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01 Varissian Tattoo
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01 Orange Prism Ioun Stone</p>
<p>Bards can cast heroism as a 2nd-level spell, allowing you to also extend it. That's 9 hours in between gargles!</p>I skimmed much of the thread after the first 50 posts as it seemed to seriously derail. As to the original topic, however:
If you are going to assume that you can buy CL 20 potions without any trouble at all (something that would be perfectly acceptable in our groups--and I'm surprised to see so much upset about it) than why not go all the way? It's easy enough to buff CL. Just assume you have found a specialist in the desired spell (who also happens to be able to brew potions). For
...Ravingdork2012-04-22T15:39:07ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1132012-04-22T11:30:22Z2012-04-22T11:30:22Z<p>We can always forget about whatever we were all offended by and move on. How about discussing the OP's topic? I think that's good place to start.</p>We can always forget about whatever we were all offended by and move on. How about discussing the OP's topic? I think that's good place to start.blackbloodtroll2012-04-22T11:30:22ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Magicdealerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1122012-04-22T10:11:20Z2012-04-22T10:11:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">shallowsoul wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Magicdealer wrote:</div><blockquote><p> As an outside observer, Mergy, it sure does look like you're calling Lune out.</p>
<p>Might want to take more care with your phrasing next time. </blockquote><p>What's wrong with that?
<p>If someone is wrong about something then they need to be called out on it. Wrong information is bad information. </blockquote><p>The problem, shallowsoul, is one of appropriate conduct. There is more than one way to phrase a sentence. Choosing a phrasing that people find offensive is going to lead to problems, arguments, and in extreme cases suspensions or bans.
<p>In this particular thread, the sheer number of posts that phrasing has generated (distracting from the topic) should be a good indicator that there was a better way to phrase it so that no one felt insulted.</p>shallowsoul wrote:Magicdealer wrote:As an outside observer, Mergy, it sure does look like you're calling Lune out.
Might want to take more care with your phrasing next time.
What's wrong with that? If someone is wrong about something then they need to be called out on it. Wrong information is bad information. The problem, shallowsoul, is one of appropriate conduct. There is more than one way to phrase a sentence. Choosing a phrasing that people find offensive is going to lead to problems,...Magicdealer2012-04-22T10:11:20ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Lunehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1112012-04-22T05:22:00Z2012-04-22T05:22:00Z<p>Wait wait wait... are you arguing about us arguing about arguing about a PFS thread in a non PFS thread?! Thats redonkulous! </p>
<p>Anyway, I hadn't even been talking to Mergy anymore on it. I had been responding to others on the issue. Also, I wasn't even the only person to have pointed out the personal attack. But I digress. I'm happy to move on so long as the issue is dropped and there are no further personal attacks.</p>Wait wait wait... are you arguing about us arguing about arguing about a PFS thread in a non PFS thread?! Thats redonkulous!
Anyway, I hadn't even been talking to Mergy anymore on it. I had been responding to others on the issue. Also, I wasn't even the only person to have pointed out the personal attack. But I digress. I'm happy to move on so long as the issue is dropped and there are no further personal attacks.Lune2012-04-22T05:22:00ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.Benchak the Nightstalker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nxse&page=3?Alchemical-allocation-questions-seems-too#1102012-04-22T05:08:31Z2012-04-22T05:08:31Z<p>Now you guys have gone from arguing about PFS in a non-PFS thread to arguing about arguing in a non-arguing thread :P </p>
<p>If either of you feel you've been personally attacked, you should flag the offending post(s) and move on. :)</p>Now you guys have gone from arguing about PFS in a non-PFS thread to arguing about arguing in a non-arguing thread :P
If either of you feel you've been personally attacked, you should flag the offending post(s) and move on. :)Benchak the Nightstalker (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8)2012-04-22T05:08:31Z