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Alchemical allocation questions - seems too good to be true.


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shallowsoul wrote:

What's wrong with that?

If someone is wrong about something then they need to be called out on it. Wrong information is bad information.

Whats wrong is that being called "willfully ignorant" is a personal attack. Especially, when I had conceded my point. Got that? I wasn't being willfully ignorant. I conceded my point. He called me "willfully ignorant" twice AFTER I conceded my point.

0gre wrote:
Someone who knows about a rule and chooses to pretent he doesn't is willfully ignorant... it is the definition of the term.

This statement is correct. However, I fail to see how it embodies me. As I stated before, I conceded my point ... THEN he called me "willfully ignorant". Twice.

Thank you for your time, I just wanted to set the record straight (again). If you ask me it appears that Mergy is being "willfully ignorant" that I conceded my point.

Andoran

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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:
Stuff

You can craft a lot of magic items with a higher CL than your caster level....but potions are not one of those items.

PRD wrote:

Brew Potion (Item Creation)

You can create magic potions.
Prerequisite: Caster level 3rd.
Benefit: You can create a potion of any 3rd-level or lower spell that you know and that targets one or more creatures or objects. Brewing a potion takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, otherwise brewing a potion takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. When you create a potion, you set the caster level, which must be sufficient to cast the spell in question and no higher than your own level. To brew a potion, you must use up raw materials costing one half this base price. See the magic item creation rules in Magic Items for more information.
When you create a potion, you make any choices that you would normally make when casting the spell. Whoever drinks the potion is the target of the spell.
The specific rules for potions trump the general rules for item crafting--your potions are capped at your level.

You are right.

I hate how some of those clarification are in a different section of the rules. Putting that in the feat description and then not putting it in the rules about potion crafting is a perfect way to make it a easy t forget limit. It is another little thing that make Brew potions a bad feat, it is the only magic item creation feat with that limit hardwired in the rules. Added to the little thing that you can use Craft Wondrous Item to make elixir with all the spells used to make potions (and a lot that can't be made into potions), setting the CL as high as you wish, it make that feat really lame.

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Diego Rossi wrote:

You are right.

I hate how some of those clarification are in a different section of the rules. Putting that in the feat description and then not putting it in the rules about potion crafting is a perfect way to make it a easy t forget limit. It is another little thing that make Brew potions a bad feat, it is the only magic item creation feat with that limit hardwired in the rules. Added to the little thing that you can use Craft Wondrous Item to make elixir with all the spells used to make potions (and a lot that can't be made into potions), setting the CL as high as you wish, it make that feat really lame.

Yeah, but using elixirs to get around the limitations of Brew Potion is the height of cheesiness. :)

Plus, you'd need GM approval to make any elixir that doesn't show up in an official book, and I suspect most GMs would veto an "Elixir of Potionable Spell X at CL 20" pretty quickly.

Taldor RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

Tarantula wrote:
Random side question: Could you get a Heightened to level 7 potion of barkskin (thus requiring CL 13) in PFS?

I would say that you can't even do that outside of PFS, as Heighten changes the "real" level of the spells so you couldn't go past 3 and still make a potion.


Mmmm, I dunno. Most DMs of mine have allowed anyone to create items that followed the item creation rules. Milage may very, I guess. I wonder how other DMs do this?...

Cheliax

Lune wrote:
shallowsoul wrote:

What's wrong with that?

If someone is wrong about something then they need to be called out on it. Wrong information is bad information.

Whats wrong is that being called "willfully ignorant" is a personal attack. Especially, when I had conceded my point. Got that? I wasn't being willfully ignorant. I conceded my point. He called me "willfully ignorant" twice AFTER I conceded my point.

0gre wrote:
Someone who knows about a rule and chooses to pretent he doesn't is willfully ignorant... it is the definition of the term.

This statement is correct. However, I fail to see how it embodies me. As I stated before, I conceded my point ... THEN he called me "willfully ignorant". Twice.

Thank you for your time, I just wanted to set the record straight (again). If you ask me it appears that Mergy is being "willfully ignorant" that I conceded my point.

Are you still going on about this?

Read what I posted again. I said that if you showed up to a PFS game breaking a rule like this, willful ignorance. Don't break the rules that you're aware of, and you're not.

It's not personal.


I do not believe I was responding to you, Mergy. Read what I wrote. I was responding to Ogre and shallowsoul. Its right there in your quote, in fact. They were "still going on about this".

And yes, you did call me "willfully ignorant" twice after I conceded my point. And, yes, that is a personal attack.

Cheliax

If you mention my name in a post then I'll respond. If you continue talking about me doing something I didn't do then I'll argue; however, I won't attack you personally. I haven't done that yet.


Yes. Yes, you did attack me personally.

To quote my former post:

Lune wrote:

Mergy, you said immediately after quoting PART of the post where I conceded my point:

Mergy wrote:


Sense or no, it's the PFS rules. Wilful ignorance of the PFS rules is just going to get your character kicked from a table when you say "I pull out my CL 20 potions of greater magic fang and barkskin".

(bolding mine)

It sure looks to me like you are calling me out as being willfully ignorant. Especially when you continued to insist that I was arguing with you (after, like I said, I had already conceded my point) by backing up your earlier personal attack by saying:

Mergy wrote:


You're arguing with me about a clear cut PFS rule. That is either ignorance or wilful ignorance.

I had pointed out to shallowsoul and Ogre that your accusations of me being "willfully ignorant" came AFTER I had already conceded my point.

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

Now you guys have gone from arguing about PFS in a non-PFS thread to arguing about arguing in a non-arguing thread :P

If either of you feel you've been personally attacked, you should flag the offending post(s) and move on. :)


Wait wait wait... are you arguing about us arguing about arguing about a PFS thread in a non PFS thread?! Thats redonkulous!

Anyway, I hadn't even been talking to Mergy anymore on it. I had been responding to others on the issue. Also, I wasn't even the only person to have pointed out the personal attack. But I digress. I'm happy to move on so long as the issue is dropped and there are no further personal attacks.

Osirion

shallowsoul wrote:
Magicdealer wrote:

As an outside observer, Mergy, it sure does look like you're calling Lune out.

Might want to take more care with your phrasing next time.

What's wrong with that?

If someone is wrong about something then they need to be called out on it. Wrong information is bad information.

The problem, shallowsoul, is one of appropriate conduct. There is more than one way to phrase a sentence. Choosing a phrasing that people find offensive is going to lead to problems, arguments, and in extreme cases suspensions or bans.

In this particular thread, the sheer number of posts that phrasing has generated (distracting from the topic) should be a good indicator that there was a better way to phrase it so that no one felt insulted.


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

We can always forget about whatever we were all offended by and move on. How about discussing the OP's topic? I think that's good place to start.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I skimmed much of the thread after the first 50 posts as it seemed to seriously derail. As to the original topic, however:

If you are going to assume that you can buy CL 20 potions without any trouble at all (something that would be perfectly acceptable in our groups--and I'm surprised to see so much upset about it) than why not go all the way? It's easy enough to buff CL. Just assume you have found a specialist in the desired spell (who also happens to be able to brew potions). For example...

Get a CL 27 potion of extended heroism instead of CL 20!

20 CL base
03 Spell Perfection (doubling other feats bonuses)
02 CL Spell Specialization
01 Varissian Tattoo
01 Orange Prism Ioun Stone

Bards can cast heroism as a 2nd-level spell, allowing you to also extend it. That's 9 hours in between gargles!


I can't tell if that is a serious suggestion or a sarcastic one, Ravingdork. Either way it is funny.

As far as PFS is concerned I'm not sure what the logic behind getting any items made for you that are higher than CL12, though. Well... I guess except that I suppose a crafter could use the tricks that Ravingdork posted above.


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Lune wrote:
I can't tell if that is a serious suggestion or a sarcastic one, Ravingdork. Either way it is funny.

I honestly wasn't too sure myself when I wrote it.


lol, that just makes it funnier.


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

Just remember, the OP was not concerned with PFS, so let that discussion happen somewhere else.


God RD's avatar makes me think of the zen taxi driver


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Glutton wrote:
RD's the zen taxi driver

How'd you know? ;P


Haha really you pull it because of top ten?


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Glutton wrote:
Haha really you pull it because of top ten?

I really have no idea what that is.

I chose it because it looked like a goofy old man running around in a blindfold like a RAVING lunatic.


Was a comic book by Alan Moore (watchmen/V for vendetta etc) that was based on governments rounding up all the weirdos and superheros after WWII and putting them in cities, and the books are mostly about the Cops and their somewhat zany existence. One of the first guys busted in the book is a old nuts cabbie that looks eerily similar to your avatar named Bob "Blindshot" Booker. You can google search an image, his mantra was "I don't drive the cab, the cab drives me".


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My avatar says I am afraid of horses, and hate dogs. Both are true.

Andoran

Starbuck_II wrote:


http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/potions

I'm pretty sure that table isn't PFS-legal.

That Table wrote:
The following table is taken from d20srd.org, the definitive 3.5 SRD resource (it was not created or provided by Paizo.)


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

I thought we decided to drop the PFS stuff, as the OP never alluded to it.


But its ok to talk about reasons for picking the avatars that we did? Man, I really need to read up on these complex forum rules.

;)


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

PFS discussions here have all gotten very ugly. It's not a rule, it's just polite.

Cheliax

Well, not PFS says "don't have 20th level casters vending potions". It's similar to the rule that you can't spend over a certain amount on a single item. Violating that rule leads to the capacity of having overpowered characters.

PFS takes care of that by saying only potions of the lowest level are avail; it's a good rule for home campaigns that want to avoid OP's problem.

There, problem solved on both PFS and home campaigns, assuming the home wants it solved.


Well, I know we aren't talking about PFS here... but even in PFS I'm not sure who would be available to make potions above level 12 anyway due to the level cap.

In home games the issue can be dealth with easily by DM fiat followed by creative role play. I'd still think that potions with CL over minimum would be somewhat available, although high CL potions would be difficult to impossible to find.


I'm pretty sure I can't use the words people attribute the acronym "PFS" to around here in this forum.


Why heroism? Get Good Hope.


Crap sorry for the Necro, by the time I got through this I forgot it came up in a search and wsd an old post.

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

Heroism lasts 10 minutes per level which means you can easily keep it online for 50 minutes with each guzzle. Good hope with just 1 minute per level often winds up a 1-2 encounter buff while heroism is an all day helper.

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