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Herolab Claims Dodge Bonuses Affect CMD, Dodge Feat Claims Otherwise


Rules Questions


We recently tried using Herolab to keep track of character sheets, and noticed a discrepancy in its calculation of CMD that went against everything in the book (and we spent hours looking at it under the assumption it might be right). After doing tons of testing to see where the error was coming from, we discovered it was adding 1 to CMD when you took the Dodge feat. The Dodge feat says it gets a +1 Dodge Bonus to your AC, but says nothing about CMD. Is CMD supposed to also benefit from the Dodge Bonus? I guess this conceptually make sense since dodging is important in grappling, but it goes against the actual writing of the rules. I am hoping for a more official response here than a statement of gut feeling, so please be ready to cite some ruling/rule which says that Dodge bonuses count to CMD.

Andoran

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Combat Maneuver Defense wrote:
The special size modifier for a creature's Combat Maneuver Defense is as follows: Fine –8, Diminutive –4, Tiny –2, Small –1, Medium +0, Large +1, Huge +2, Gargantuan +4, Colossal +8. Some feats and abilities grant a bonus to your CMD when resisting specific maneuvers. A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. Any penalties to a creature's AC also apply to its CMD. A flat-footed creature does not add its Dexterity bonus to its CMD.


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"A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. (PFRPG 199 emphasis added)"

damn ninjas


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Clovis15 wrote:
We recently tried using Herolab to keep track of character sheets, and noticed a discrepancy in its calculation of CMD that went against everything in the book (and we spent hours looking at it under the assumption it might be right). After doing tons of testing to see where the error was coming from, we discovered it was adding 1 to CMD when you took the Dodge feat. The Dodge feat says it gets a +1 Dodge Bonus to your AC, but says nothing about CMD. Is CMD supposed to also benefit from the Dodge Bonus? I guess this conceptually make sense since dodging is important in grappling, but it goes against the actual writing of the rules. I am hoping for a more official response here than a statement of gut feeling, so please be ready to cite some ruling/rule which says that Dodge bonuses count to CMD.

Open and shut, don't worry.

prd wrote:

Miscellaneous Modifiers

A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. Any penalties to a creature's AC also apply to its CMD. A flat-footed creature does not add its Dexterity bonus to its CMD.


Thanks everyone for all of the quick responses.

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