Create Spawn ability

[Elias Darrowphayne]

HI this is a small rules question for the Create Spawn (su) ability.

Is the creature that is created by this effect under the control of the creator that created it using the Create Spawn ability?

Also for zombies with this ability from virtue of the brain eating zombie variant, classic horror's revisited, does it create a base brain eating zombie or the exact type of brain eating zombie that the creature was. say a Bloody, Brian Eating Juju Zombie.

From the example in Classic horrors revisited which was a Gilmore zombie (Relentless, plague carrying, brain eating zombie) the create spawn ability said the created creature raised as a Gilmore zombie. So i assume you rise as the exact type of zombie that you were killed by.

Any thoughts on this would be most beneficial. Mostly though need a clarification on if the create spawn ability gives the creature that created you any kind of control over you. I've zombie apocalypse plans. lol

[Brambleman]

Usually specified, but for your purposes, at least let it keep the minimum to be infectious.

The exact level of contagiousness is left to taste IIRC, but rule of thumb is the spawn is never a stronger variant than the original.

[wraithstrike]

The specific creature should give the specifics, and I am running a PvP with brain eating zombie creating more of the same kind.
In short if the rules are getting in the way of a good story then change them. :)

If the GM wants the zombie to have anything beyond what the RAW gives it that is up to the GM.

By RAW you only get what the book gives you.

[Chobemaster]

Plague zombies' victims that were infected w/ zombie rot rise as plague zombies.

which is the general trope.

any why it's not called "annoyingly but ultimately not all that seriously contagious" zombie.

[Jorda75]

As said above it should be specific. If it's not specified I would assume the creator has no special control over its spawn but use your best judgement and what you think would be the most fun :)

[Archaeik]

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The exact level of contagiousness is left to taste IIRC, but rule of thumb is the spawn is never a stronger variant than the original.

Well, if you us the Left 4 Dead model, there would be a large number of generic with a small chance of a significantly stronger mutation for each infection.

Either way, it seems like Create Spawn does tie the child to the parent, at least until the parent dies, or releases them based on HD control limits (assuming any).
But I don't think it would hurt any to not have them bound for your purposes...

[Elias Darrowphayne]

Ok i was wondering if there were any universal monster rules for this ability as i could of sworn there was but didnt find any in the bestiaries.

So it looks like rules as written no, the create spawn ability does not give the parent control over its spawn but it does heavily imply that it should?

and it does look like a varient zombie with the brain eating package does create an exact varient of itself when it uses its create spawn ability.

This could be difficult and interesting for me as i am 16th level oracle with the Spirit Vessels Revelation. I have a Maralith that i plan to create as a Bloody, Brain Eating JuJu zombie (which will cost me 48HD to create, i have to use desecrate to create it) which will end up being NG as thats my alignment. but if it creates spawn they will be brain eating bloody juju zombies which we will have no control over....

this could get hairy. lol