Defender of the Society worth it for a Dex Build?


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Grand Lodge

This will be an Aldori focused Dex build that will hit 20 dex at level 4. I am thinking on Defender of the Society (+1 AC trait bonus in medium or heavy armours).

Currently I have the character in medium Kikko armour (+5/+4) getting me 19 Dex... with this trait it takes the value of Kikko to +6 armour and once I scrape together 4000gp and go Mithril (I figure level 4) I will have +6 dex AC allowable in the armour. When Mithrilled up its 2 AC points better than a mithril chain shirt with the same benefits.

At the high end, what are PFS characters hitting dex wise by level 9-12? I figure this trait will help keep me alive at level 1 and 2, do ok for me until level 4 (and mithril armour) and break even for me until about level 8...

Whats your experience with high dex builds in armour and is it worth it around end game of a Pathfinders career? What sort of armours are favoured by finesse builds at that point?

Grand Lodge

Celestial armour counts as Light Armour, right? And not the Medium base type?


If you wear mithral (originally medium) armor and lack medium armor proficiency, then in pathfinder you suffer the nonproficiency penalties.

So if it counts as medium for those purposes, it should for the trait as well.


Celestial armor isn't mithral and doesn't follow the normal proficiency rules, thus celestial armor is light and celestial full plate is medium.

James Jacobs wrote:


Celestial armor is not mithral—it's actually made of silver or gold (as mentioned in its description), and thus doesn't gain any of the standard modifiers for being mithral at all. It's its own thing. Its lower arcane spell failure and higher max Dex bonus are a result of its magical qualities, not what it's made out of. In addition, this magic allows folks to wear it as if it were light armor—the mithral versions don't do this because mithral isn't fundamentally magical like the enhancements on celestial armor.
James Jacobs wrote:
Zark wrote:

Thanks James!

Does this mean you don't have do be proficient in medium armor to avoid taking nonproficiency penalties when using Celestial Armor?

Thanks again for the quick answer and the clarification. Have a nice weekend. :-)

Nah; celestial armor only requires light armor proficiency to avoid the penalties. It's a pretty solid armor choice for bards or rogues as a result.

Grand Lodge

Thanks. I figure if I have 22k gold and am getting +8 Dex then I shouldn't be fussed about a +1 trait.

Back to the original questions?


which class you are?

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

StreamOfTheSky wrote:

If you wear mithral (originally medium) armor and lack medium armor proficiency, then in pathfinder you suffer the nonproficiency penalties.

So if it counts as medium for those purposes, it should for the trait as well.

Mithral wrote:
Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor.

Hm... Looks to me like the lighter category applies to everything but proficiency.

Grand Lodge

Aldori Archetype Fighter


Make a goblin! ;P

Grand Lodge

PFS... gotta be standard race

Grand Lodge

Looks like Mithril is the way to go

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

I like it it with the Mithral Kikko armor. Your Armor check penalty goes to 0, you get +6 dex bonus, and with the +1 from DotS that's a potential +12. I've looked at this with dex fighter builds I've contemplated. Can't go wrong.

You said your dex will be 20 at level 4? I'd consider one of the belts that give +2 to more than just dex at that point. Like one that gives +2 dex and +2 con.

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