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Could I get some advice on pricing "industrial sized" bags of holding?
The type IV is big enough to hold one medium creature, + a little bit 6.3^3.
I'm looking for advice for pricing ones big enough to hold large, huge, and gargantuan creatures; for say, bringing a bunch of horses across a pit, or what have you.
So, one that's 2000 cubic feet (1 large creature), 16000 cubic feet (1 huge creature), and 128000 cubic feet (1 gargantuan creature).
Any advice?
you want to put the TARRASQUE in a pokeball?
Is there a formula to the pricing now? Can't you just continue it? I'm away from books so can't really look at their pricing now.
There is no formula. They were just given whatever prices sounded right.
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I don't know about PF but in 3.5 you REALLY didn't want to put an extradimensional space in another extradimensional space. That never ended well and was even one of the ways to get rid of the Tarrasque (bag of holding and sphere of annihilation if I'm not mistaken).
Is there a formula to the pricing now? Can't you just continue it? I'm away from books so can't really look at their pricing now.
Theres a basic guideline for spell-in a can items. thats it. and there doesnt seem to be much of a pattern with the existing sizes.
as for the combined extradimensional space thing, it only applies for port hole+bag of holding.
just remember that in a bag of holding, said horses or anything else alive must hold its breath.
Have you considered having collars/muzzles/whatever that shrink a creatures size? I know I haves used them before, but I dont recall if it was a house item, or actually in a book
bag in a bag is not allowed, it is considered to be dimension shattering in most cases
bag in a bag is not allowed, it is considered to be dimension shattering in most cases
No. Its only "dimension shattering" in the case of a portable hole and a bag of holding. For every other possible combination, one just stops working, but nothing else happens.
A number of spells and magic items utilize extradimensional spaces, such as rope trick, a bag of holding, a handy haversack, and a portable hole. These spells and magic items create a tiny pocket space that does not exist in any dimension. Such items do not function, however, inside another extradimensional space. If placed inside such a space, they cease to function until removed from the extradimensional space. For example, if a bag of holding is brought into a rope trick, the contents of the bag of holding become inaccessible until the bag of holding is taken outside the rope trick. The only exception to this is when a bag of holding and a portable hole interact, forming a rift to the Astral Plane, as noted in their descriptions.
Found here in the PRD, and page 501 of the core rulebook.
I really wish people would stop saying that "dimension shattering" things happen whenever two extra- or non-dimensional spaces interact. Its not true in either Pathfinder or 3.0/3.5. Only bags of holding and portable holes do that, and they are the exception.
fair enough about the exploding, bbut I am certian about the lack of air inside of a bag of holding
At 7,250 gp a piece, put a bottle of air in each bag.
Cast "Pup shape" on the horses and then carry the cute little critter over. You just have to hurry, because it won't last long :)
Or "Reduce Animal", which makes it a size smaller and lasts for hours, that should be more than enough to do that.
My druid always has a couple of scrolls of those spells, in case I need to get my AC somewhere.
As for the BoH of the sizes you want... considering the biggest one is 250 cu-feet, I really don't have any idea what one for 2000 or 160000 should be prised at.
Operating on the assumption that you want to follow the pattern as written, I plugged each size and its corresponding price into a spreadsheet, then dragged down to continue the pattern. The closest to what you're after is 2012 cubic feet, which goes for 69,720 gold. One hundred and eighty nine rows later, 15,998 cubic feet goes for 540,330.
How accurate that actually is, pattern-wise, is not something for which I can vouch; I try not to math this early in the morning. But those numbers seem as good as any, so that's probably how I'd answer your question in my game(s).
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I think the bigger it gets, the less important the difference in size becomes, personally.
All its really a matter of saying is "does it fit?"
Hmm.
Pricing at the upper end: A Permanent Magnificent Mansion item that counts as a bag should cost 352800, and holds 42,000 cubic feet of stuff. It also includes all of the perks of that spell, such as free food and water, its own supply of air, and 28 servants; as well as being able to use it to hide indefinitely, no risk of the item being destroyed beyond not being able to move the entrance anymore, and a weight of 0. Granted, it would be command word activated, not by opening the bag. But I dont see that as terribly important one way or the other.
That to me says that the 540330 for 16000 cubic feet without the extras is far overpriced.
A portable hole has 282 cubic feet (6' diameter by 10' deep) and has enough air (even when folded) to sustain a Medium creature for 10 minutes, or two Small creatures for a similar amount of time. The portable hole weighs nothing and costs 20,000 gp. There is no weight limit on what can be stored in the [i]portable hole, so long as the item (s) can fit[/i].
Bags of holding are not nearly as efficient. They might have a similar volume (Type IV holds a maximum of 250 cubic feet), but they are severely limited on weight. That same Type IV bag has a maximum weight limit of 1,500 lbs, weighs 60 lbs whether or not it contains any items, and costs 10,000 gp.
Note that although the portable hole is described as 6' in diameter and 10' deep, it can be placed on any surface, including a wall. In which case it is 10' long and has a circular height/width of 6'. This is more than enough to lead a horse in and there should be enough air for it to breath for 5 minutes (large creature consumes 2x that of a medium critter).
For an adventurer, the portable hole is simply a better deal than more traditional bags of holding. Handy haversacks are a different (but similar) form of magic that lets you retrieve a specific item (always on top) as a move action that doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity. When looting a dragon's hoard, you definately want at least one portable hole to haul out the treasure afterwards.
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