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i understand that oracles cannot take the same revelation twice to gain additional uses of an ability. for instance a battle oracle cannot take surprising charge twice and use the ability an additional time each day. however my question is about revelations that grant bonuses to something specific. could a battle oracle take maneuver mastery trip. and then take maneuver mastery disarm. and the same with weapon mastery could he take the revelation once for his polearm then again for his club???
if you find anything on this please include the source so that i can verify it. i am getting ready to start a society game and im thinking about playing a battle oracle.
please do not tell me what your dm allows or what you allow as a dm. i just want to know the paizo official ruling.
In general most abilities or feats can only be taken once. If you can take the feat or ability multiple times it says so in the feat/ability description, as well as if it stacks or needs to be applied to another ability.
For example: Weapon Focus (bolding for emphasis)
Choose one type of weapon. You can also choose unarmed strike or grapple (or ray, if you are a spellcaster) as your weapon for the purposes of this feat.
Prerequisites: Proficiency with selected weapon, base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on all attack rolls you make using the selected weapon.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon.
vs Extra Lay on Hands
You can use your lay on hands ability more often.
Prerequisite: Lay on hands class feature.
Benefit: You can use your lay on hands ability two additional times per day.
Special: You can gain Extra Lay On Hands multiple times. Its effects stack.
So the baseline is unless an ability or a feat says you can take it multiple times, you can only take it once.
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Unfortunately RAW you can't take that twice. I'd be surprised if a GM would enforce that though, it feels like an oversight.
Considering that this revelation pretty much gives you two feats that you don't need prerequisites for and you can get the feat "Extra Revelation" I'm going to guess that it wasn't an oversight
the problem i am facing though is i am preparing for society play and i plan on going to conventions so i need a 100% legit toon. has anyone come across any errata.
Officially: You can't take a revelation more than once unless the revelation specifically states you can. [FAQ]
Officially: When taking revelations that grant feats they are doing just that: granting feats. They will still behave like feats except in the ways that the revelation specifically states otherwise (like not having to meet the prerequisites).
So to sum it up: You couldn't take maneuver mastery twice, regardless of how you attempt to do so. You also couldn't take Weapon Mastery twice. You are now the proud owner of those feats though, so feel free to take other feats that use those as a prerequisite!
Hope that helps.
One must ask though: Are Maneuver Master (trip) and Maneuver Mastery (disarm) the same revelation? Or are they two separate and distinct revelations? :P
For this reason, I'd allow it.
One must ask though: Are Maneuver Master (trip) and Maneuver Mastery (disarm) the same revelation? Or are they two separate and distinct revelations?
Those are not revelations.
There is only Maneuver Mastery (Ex) with which you select one type of combat maneuver.
In order to select multiple combat maneuvers, you would need to take Maneuver Mastery more than once.
It's certainly is debatable. After all, it makes sense the the game developers would want to save space by no writing it out again and again for each combat maneuver that exists.
After all, it makes sense the the game developers would want to save space by no writing it out again and again for each combat maneuver that exists.
All it would have taken was a line about taking the revelation multiple times, like Skill Focus or Weapon Specialization. Those are all specifically the same feat, with a disclaimer. I don't see why the revelation would suddenly be the opposite.
Also, don't you think it's kind of odd to let someone use one feat (Extra Revelation) to gain multiple feats (Improved and Greater [maneuver]) plus bonuses?