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The Old Beldame


Kingmaker

Silver Crusade

Anyone had the party attack the Old Beldame and she escaped? Looking for ideas on how others have had her react later when met with violence initially.

Details of the encounter:

Spoiler:
Party, which is mostly good aligned or neutral, knew nothing about the Old Beldame and rang the bell on her hut fence. When she didn't hear it after one ring, the party's rogue walked in and the scarecrow attacked. Once it was destroyed, the group volunteered the party's rogue to enter her hut, so he just went in. The crone, shocked at a strange armed man entering her home and revealing he'd killed her only guardian, gave him a chance to get out and was not swayed that he was only "exploring." Her Scare spell sent him running, at which point all my good characters except one (a cavalier) charged in to kill the old lady in her home. She barely made it out alive and flew away in bird form.

Ironically, the group is in desperate need of a magister, and she would have been perfect...

Shadow Lodge

She escaped in my campaign after the party broke into her house, rummaged through her things and then attacked her after she let them go. She is now in Hargulka's kingdom waiting for the right time to get her revenge.

Silver Crusade

@ doomcrow: I'm leaning to the same way. Unforgivable actions. The party did leave her an "I'm sorry" note with some gold and, after rummaging through her money box and finding nothing they wanted, didn't rob her, but thinking she's got to be pissed.


Assuming the PCs have some law & order in town I'd have her bring charges against the PCs for busting into her home and trying to murder her. Have the PCs come to town one day with an angry mob of 300 peasants shouting for their blood. And the Old Beldame standing before the crowd smugly glaring at the PCs...

Have her be the one insisting on Zone of Truth spells and verification of the accuracy of her accusation.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Card Game, Companion, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

While fun I doubt the Old Beldame could raise so much support in town. After all he is the "old witch of the swamp", the person accused when a child goes missing.

For sure she is pissed off and will try to get some kind of pay back from the characters. As the scarecrow cost 8.000 gp to produce and can be sold for 15.500 gp the characters have done a good deal of damage to her property.


Greetings, fellow travellers.

I don't think she would join Hargulka's forces. She's neutral in alignment and described as a grumpy, bitter woman. I don't see her turning to evil associates even after violation of her property.

Although, due to her bloodline and neighborhood, the development of a closer relationship with the BBEG of the AP would certainly fit.
But then again, I'd rather see her at the baobhan sith's side.

As an alternative, while her reputation is somewhat negative, Grigori might pick up her story and give the PCs hell later.

Ruyan.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

She might also align herself with the Gyronna cultists who appear in Chapter 2 and (I think) 4.

Silver Crusade

PC's run a Lawful Neutral kingdom, so this should come back to haunt them. Grigori is coming soon, and he's got a lot in his bag, from making alliances with kobolds to galavanting around the country while folks need jobs to (now) beating up old ladies.

Ouch, the scarecrow really was a massive loss (besides its ability to let her sleep safely at night), and after beating her down to 3hp with lethal damage, the party's efforts to leave a "we're sorry note" and 100gp isn't much. Figure she's scared but also thinking this was her land first.

Invested in Carnival of Tears module and looking to see if there's any aspect she could fit into for that adventure as well.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

One thing she can definitely do is give information to the PC's enemies. (In particular, Grigori can interview her, maybe get some custom stuff from her, maybe tell her who/how to get information to, and she can end up being a long-term threat to the PCs.)

Silver Crusade

Always a fan of the dying curse as well, laying a curse on their hometown shortly before the Carnival comes would be interesting.


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M P 433 wrote:

Anyone had the party attack the Old Beldame and she escaped? Looking for ideas on how others have had her react later when met with violence initially.

Details of the encounter: ** spoiler omitted **

The Beldame is married to the King in my game. It's a long story


^^ So...tell us! :)

Silver Crusade

Midnight-Gamer wrote:
The Beldame is married to the King in my game. It's a long story

Ahem, it can't be a marriage based on her looks...got to hear this.


Well, she's really charming once you get to know her (high CHA, Charm Person), and she's got a great sense of humour (Laughing Touch, Hideous Laughter).


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Waiwode wrote:
Well, she's really charming once you get to know her (high CHA, Charm Person), and she's got a great sense of humour (Laughing Touch, Hideous Laughter).

Well... since you asked.

The original Barons wife was involved in a messy affair with a handsome bandit. This bandit was one of the unnamed bandits from the very first encounter. He had been captured and subsequently reformed.

The affair was the result of an ill timed event roll during the monthly kingdom building. I figured, this woman had been left alone for months on end while the husband adventured. A little fling was a natural consequence.

Fast forward a few months later, and the Barons wife and lover are plotting to overthrow the current ruler to install the bandit, here-forth known as Jack.

The old Baron, the Baroness, and quite a few others were killed in a infamous coo attempt. Jack was tried, and somehow, found to be innocent at trial.
The verdict was largely due to Jacks popularity in town, by this point, Jack had been well known for captaining the guards and his heroic fight against an enraged OwlBear.

I was amazed when, rather than execution, Jack was made Baron!

Later, Jack was coerced into marriage by a one of the PC's. I don't know what the motivation was, but said PC possessed Charisma in the stratosphere. He had social skills to go with it.

The Baron was initially hostile to the idea of marriage to the witch of the woods, but he was no match for this guys manipulation.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some details, it was a wild series of events.


My character, a gnomish fighter, was the general in this campaign. I was the unfortunate one who was told of these events, and in an honorable fashion confronted the wife (daughter of the ruler of Restov) about it and demanded she come forward.
The coop attempt followed later that evening with her commanding her personal guards to kill me and the ruler Richard, with Jack helping. After Richard fell in the battle, Jack could not continue the unjust bloodshed and surrendered, after attempting to convince the Baroness to stop and failed.

Later on Jack, the Baroness, and I (They thought I was attempting a coup to gain power) were tried by Oleg, the Kobold King, and the NPC nature priest's name I'm forgetting at the moment in what was supposed to be a fair trial. Jack was found innocent as mentioned by Oleg and the priest, the baroness was found guilty by all three and executed, and only the Kobold King found me innocent. If not for the silver tongue of the party witch, I would have also been executed or exiled.

Later on, we met up with the Beldane, and somehow everybody showed some patience and politely waited, and eventually the silver tongued witch convinced Jack to marry the Beldane after some wheeling and dealing with her for "cabana boys" and other favors to help the kingdom. Jack feeling guilty for his past crimes as a bandit and for his part in the murder of the previous Baron, married her as a person penance.

Somewhere down the line though, she became super hot, which we still have no clue how, so Jack once again lucked out. He's got to be the luckiest NPC bandit I've ever known.

Midnight-Gamer wrote:
Waiwode wrote:
Well, she's really charming once you get to know her (high CHA, Charm Person), and she's got a great sense of humour (Laughing Touch, Hideous Laughter).

Well... since you asked.

The original Barons wife was involved in a messy affair with a handsome bandit. This bandit was one of the unnamed bandits from the very first encounter. He had been captured and subsequently reformed.

The affair was the result of an ill timed event roll during the monthly kingdom building. I figured, this woman had been left alone for months on end while the husband adventured. A little fling was a natural consequence.

Fast forward a few months later, and the Barons wife and lover are plotting to overthrow the current ruler to install the bandit, here-forth known as Jack.

The old Baron, the Baroness, and quite a few others were killed in a infamous coo attempt. Jack was tried, and somehow, found to be innocent at trial.
The verdict was largely due to Jacks popularity in town, by this point, Jack had been well known for captaining the guards and his heroic fight against an enraged OwlBear.

I was amazed when, rather than execution, Jack was made Baron!

Later, Jack was coerced into marriage by a one of the PC's. I don't know what the motivation was, but said PC possessed Charisma in the stratosphere. He had social skills to go with it.

The Baron was initially hostile to the idea of marriage to the witch of the woods, but he was no match for this guys manipulation.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some details, it was a wild series of events.


Great Wyrm Red Dragon wrote:
the baroness was found guilty by all three and executed, and only the Kobold King found me innocent.

The Baroness actually perished during the battle, while brandishing a dagger at her husband in dramatic fashion. I think your misremembering some details.


It was so long ago, yeah I mis-recalled that part. Still an unexpected WTF fight though.

Midnight-Gamer wrote:
Great Wyrm Red Dragon wrote:
the baroness was found guilty by all three and executed, and only the Kobold King found me innocent.
The Baroness actually perished during the battle, while brandishing a dagger at her husband in dramatic fashion. I think your misremembering some details.

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