paizo.com Recent Posts in Combining Adventure Pathspaizo.com Recent Posts in Combining Adventure Paths2012-03-18T20:21:59Z2012-03-18T20:21:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsSergi.Planashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#232018-07-13T15:45:25Z2012-08-18T15:10:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Medriev wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Am attempting a 4E (sorry) mashup of RotRL, Shattered Star and Jade Regent as a mega-campaign set in north eastern Greyhawk.</p>
<p>The problem I see at the moment is the journey to Tian Xia in Jade Regent either needs to be played as a single arc to its conclusion before a return to the Varisian locales to conclude the other two arcs or the locations of key dungeons need to be moved to where the PCs are, stretching credibility somewhat. A third option, I suppose, would be to play some adventures as flash backs during the journey but not sure whether that would work.</p>
<p>Would like to merge others into multiple arc campaigns so thanks for the ideas here. </blockquote><p>I think it would be best to change the locations, it seems to me as the easiest solution.
<p>I would change a bit about Thassilon so it actually wasn't centered on actual Varisia, but on the Crown of the World. Well, it's been 10.000 years after that and the planet has changed a lot. So you could have most of Rise of the Rune Lords and Shattered Star up on the north (with some changes for them to happen in more inhabited areas) which could give some more Lovecraftian touch a la Beyonds the Mountains of Madness, and that's a plus for me. And finally, after finishing with that threat from the past, the PCS could get to solve the problems in Minkai. Also you could put some locales a bit more to the south, after all, Xin-Shalast already has more than a bit of asian flavour to it, in my opinion.</p>
<p>The main problem, could be how to keep the PCs equally motivated about the three (or two as RoRL and SS I think could be more entwined in motives) different things going on.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>Medriev wrote:Am attempting a 4E (sorry) mashup of RotRL, Shattered Star and Jade Regent as a mega-campaign set in north eastern Greyhawk.
The problem I see at the moment is the journey to Tian Xia in Jade Regent either needs to be played as a single arc to its conclusion before a return to the Varisian locales to conclude the other two arcs or the locations of key dungeons need to be moved to where the PCs are, stretching credibility somewhat. A third option, I suppose, would be to play...Sergi.Planas2012-08-18T15:10:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsSergi.Planashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#222012-08-19T08:25:39Z2012-08-18T15:03:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Someday I plan on combining CotCT and CoT with Shackled City and the first adventure in SD, (Acronymomania) to create a massive urban sandbox AP. Am I insane? </p>
<p>Definitely >:-D </blockquote><p>I actually have been thinking for a while in creating a mega sandbox urban AP by mixing most CoCT, a lot of Cot, maybe Shackled City (I've it, but never give it the read it deserves) and adding to them the Road of Revolution Campaign Arc from 0one Games and some of their urban adventures, all with various factions in the city, inspired also by A Song of Ice and Fire and the Watchman novels of Terry Pratchett.
<p>So, what I mean is, if you're insane, Dm_aka_Dudemeister, you're not alone. :p</p>DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:Someday I plan on combining CotCT and CoT with Shackled City and the first adventure in SD, (Acronymomania) to create a massive urban sandbox AP. Am I insane?
Definitely >:-D
I actually have been thinking for a while in creating a mega sandbox urban AP by mixing most CoCT, a lot of Cot, maybe Shackled City (I've it, but never give it the read it deserves) and adding to them the Road of Revolution Campaign Arc from 0one Games and some of their urban adventures, all...Sergi.Planas2012-08-18T15:03:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsLord Zebhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#212012-08-17T16:16:56Z2012-08-17T16:16:56Z<p>I'm in the midst of running our group through a combo Age of Worms, Darkmoon Vales Falcons Hollow series, and the Red Hand of Doom l. So far it's working really well.</p>I'm in the midst of running our group through a combo Age of Worms, Darkmoon Vales Falcons Hollow series, and the Red Hand of Doom l. So far it's working really well.Lord Zeb2012-08-17T16:16:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsMedrievhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#202012-08-17T15:17:43Z2012-08-17T15:17:43Z<p>Am attempting a 4E (sorry) mashup of RotRL, Shattered Star and Jade Regent as a mega-campaign set in north eastern Greyhawk.</p>
<p>The problem I see at the moment is the journey to Tian Xia in Jade Regent either needs to be played as a single arc to its conclusion before a return to the Varisian locales to conclude the other two arcs or the locations of key dungeons need to be moved to where the PCs are, stretching credibility somewhat. A third option, I suppose, would be to play some adventures as flash backs during the journey but not sure whether that would work.</p>
<p>Would like to merge others into multiple arc campaigns so thanks for the ideas here.</p>Am attempting a 4E (sorry) mashup of RotRL, Shattered Star and Jade Regent as a mega-campaign set in north eastern Greyhawk.
The problem I see at the moment is the journey to Tian Xia in Jade Regent either needs to be played as a single arc to its conclusion before a return to the Varisian locales to conclude the other two arcs or the locations of key dungeons need to be moved to where the PCs are, stretching credibility somewhat. A third option, I suppose, would be to play some adventures...Medriev2012-08-17T15:17:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsJenner2057https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#192019-05-22T01:05:13Z2012-08-15T15:16:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Knightingale wrote:</div><blockquote> Anyone have any ideas on how to combine those 3 plots and hop back and forth between the various modules?</blockquote><p>Here's some of my REALLY rough brainstorms for ya. Just a quick stab that will need to be smoothed out but...
<p>[Spoiler omitted]
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Hope that at least gives you some ideas.</p>Knightingale wrote:Anyone have any ideas on how to combine those 3 plots and hop back and forth between the various modules?
Here's some of my REALLY rough brainstorms for ya. Just a quick stab that will need to be smoothed out but... [Spoiler omitted]
Hope that at least gives you some ideas.Jenner20572012-08-15T15:16:30ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsEnlight_Bystandhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#182012-08-15T09:44:12Z2012-08-15T09:44:12Z<p>I think Legacy of Fire & Kingmaker would work together well. You could certainly take the first half of LoF and then not have the start of part 4 happen and then go on a kingdom building spree in the area</p>I think Legacy of Fire & Kingmaker would work together well. You could certainly take the first half of LoF and then not have the start of part 4 happen and then go on a kingdom building spree in the areaEnlight_Bystand2012-08-15T09:44:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsDM_aka_Dudemeisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#172012-08-24T05:32:43Z2012-08-14T22:39:59Z<p>Someday I plan on combining CotCT and CoT with Shackled City and the first adventure in SD, (Acronymomania) to create a massive urban sandbox AP. Am I insane? </p>
<p>Definitely >:-D</p>Someday I plan on combining CotCT and CoT with Shackled City and the first adventure in SD, (Acronymomania) to create a massive urban sandbox AP. Am I insane?
Definitely >:-DDM_aka_Dudemeister2012-08-14T22:39:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsDundjinnMasta (alias of Arcmagik)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#162012-08-14T21:36:44Z2012-08-14T21:36:44Z<p>I am not combining them, but I am doing a mash-up of KM and CotCT. I am tweaking a lot of it to my own GM style though so it may not be a good example. I am also taking some bit parts from SD to throw into the game as well with a few other modules here and there (Conquest of Bloodsworn Vale, Realm of the Fellnight Queen, Carnival of Tears).</p>
<p>I have also considered a S&S / KM mash-up as well</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>I am not combining them, but I am doing a mash-up of KM and CotCT. I am tweaking a lot of it to my own GM style though so it may not be a good example. I am also taking some bit parts from SD to throw into the game as well with a few other modules here and there (Conquest of Bloodsworn Vale, Realm of the Fellnight Queen, Carnival of Tears).
I have also considered a S&S / KM mash-up as well
[Spoiler omitted]DundjinnMasta (alias of Arcmagik)2012-08-14T21:36:44ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsKnightingalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#152012-08-14T19:56:52Z2012-08-14T19:56:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">richard develyn wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Does anyone have any recommendations on what APs might combine well into one double (or even triple) sized result?</p>
<p>Richard </blockquote><p>I'm about to start a campaign in which I want to combine the 3 original Varisia Adventure Paths. I'm doing CotCT, RoRL, and SD. I like to use the system where the entire party levels as one, and I have no problem delaying that as we go through the game so that everyone is more or less an appropriate level for the adventure we are currently on.
<p>Anyone have any ideas on how to combine those 3 plots and hop back and forth between the various modules?</p>
<p>Knightingale</p>richard develyn wrote:Does anyone have any recommendations on what APs might combine well into one double (or even triple) sized result?
Richard
I'm about to start a campaign in which I want to combine the 3 original Varisia Adventure Paths. I'm doing CotCT, RoRL, and SD. I like to use the system where the entire party levels as one, and I have no problem delaying that as we go through the game so that everyone is more or less an appropriate level for the adventure we are currently on....Knightingale2012-08-14T19:56:52ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsJames B. Clinehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#142012-03-23T16:38:49Z2012-03-23T16:38:49Z<p>I'm meshing Kingmaker and Second Darkness right now, with an emphasis on Kingmaker.</p>
<p>I don't use XP in any of my games, I just set level up points in the game, by the recommendations of the GM's who have played through them and the guidelines in the adventure.</p>
<p>I've got an outline in the Kingmaker forums that I will be adding to over the next week or so. Or follow along with our group at, [Spoiler omitted]</p>I'm meshing Kingmaker and Second Darkness right now, with an emphasis on Kingmaker.
I don't use XP in any of my games, I just set level up points in the game, by the recommendations of the GM's who have played through them and the guidelines in the adventure.
I've got an outline in the Kingmaker forums that I will be adding to over the next week or so. Or follow along with our group at, [Spoiler omitted]James B. Cline2012-03-23T16:38:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsBellonahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#132012-03-23T15:25:53Z2012-03-23T15:25:53Z<p>If running two APs at the same time (particularly on slow XP advancement), then remember to keep an eye on the party's wealth/treasure. Adventuring usually uses up consumables (potions, scrolls, wands, etc.), so it might be necessary to "drop" more of those. On the other hand, the party might be collecting too much of the permanent magical loot.</p>If running two APs at the same time (particularly on slow XP advancement), then remember to keep an eye on the party's wealth/treasure. Adventuring usually uses up consumables (potions, scrolls, wands, etc.), so it might be necessary to "drop" more of those. On the other hand, the party might be collecting too much of the permanent magical loot.Bellona2012-03-23T15:25:53ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsJenner2057https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#122012-03-22T17:27:02Z2012-03-22T17:27:02Z<p>Yeah I could see advancement being a problem combining two APs. Even on the slow advancement track, they might level too fast. Especially in the early mods as you pointed out.
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What you may look at doing is just doing away with XP and leveling them at story appropriate moments. I know several GMs on the board here use that method to good effects.
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Just something to consider.</p>Yeah I could see advancement being a problem combining two APs. Even on the slow advancement track, they might level too fast. Especially in the early mods as you pointed out.
What you may look at doing is just doing away with XP and leveling them at story appropriate moments. I know several GMs on the board here use that method to good effects.
Just something to consider.Jenner20572012-03-22T17:27:02ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure Pathsrichard develynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#112012-03-21T23:11:37Z2012-03-21T23:11:37Z<p>When I ran RotRL and CotCT, I basically tried to follow that idea.</p>
<p>We did R1 not including the last act, then C1, then R1 last act and R2, then C2 and C3, then R3, R4, then C4. Then they had a complete choice of which order to do R5 or C5 in (they did C5 first). Then it was C6 and R6.</p>
<p>It took a bit of tailoring, I have to admit, and the campaign lasted 18 months.</p>
<p>My main problem with the APs is that they progress too quickly up the levels for my tastes. I like a progression of 1 level every 6 sessions, whereas an AP modules goes at 3x that rate (for the first 3 parts, anyway).</p>
<p>My present campaign is based solely on Carrion Crown, and after 6 months they've only done part 1. Part 2 is coming along, and then we should be able to progress the AP with alternate levels because I note that this AP has a lower progression rate (you go to 1 AP for two levels from part 3 rather than part 4).</p>
<p>Next campaign I'd like to do two APs combined, because I basically prefer the quality of the AP modules. There is still the possibility of Greg Vaughn's Tsar to use as one of them, which I've been thinking about for some time. Tsar could combine well with SD maybe.</p>
<p>Richard</p>When I ran RotRL and CotCT, I basically tried to follow that idea.
We did R1 not including the last act, then C1, then R1 last act and R2, then C2 and C3, then R3, R4, then C4. Then they had a complete choice of which order to do R5 or C5 in (they did C5 first). Then it was C6 and R6.
It took a bit of tailoring, I have to admit, and the campaign lasted 18 months.
My main problem with the APs is that they progress too quickly up the levels for my tastes. I like a progression of 1 level...richard develyn2012-03-21T23:11:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsJenner2057https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#102012-03-21T11:30:49Z2012-03-21T11:30:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">richard develyn wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I've also been wondering how the forthcoming S&S and SS (oh dear, acronyms are dying), might dovetail in with SeSk for the former and the likes of JR (beginning) and SD for the latter.
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</blockquote><p>Well I see S&S and SS following each other nicely but I'm gonna guess they can't be run together•.
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S&S looks like it could potentially finish with the PCs as powerful players in the Shackles. Then you could pick up with a new set of PCs (PC's children? Henchmen? Thier old First Mates?) for SS.</p>
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<p>• When I think of run together, that's running the books "as is" (as close as possible), with the same characters, without having to completely redesign the encounters.
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For example: If you were to run CotCT #1 after RotRL #3, you know you're going to be making major changes to the encounters. Even on slow advancement, by the time they finish RotRL #3, the encounters in CotCT #1 aren't going to be a challenge (they'll be 9th-ish level going through a level 1-3 adventure after all).
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When I've been trying to look at combining APs, I've looked at keeping each book as close as possible to the same numbered books. That way there's a minimum of encounter redesign.</p>richard develyn wrote:I've also been wondering how the forthcoming S&S and SS (oh dear, acronyms are dying), might dovetail in with SeSk for the former and the likes of JR (beginning) and SD for the latter.
Well I see S&S and SS following each other nicely but I'm gonna guess they can't be run together*.
S&S looks like it could potentially finish with the PCs as powerful players in the Shackles. Then you could pick up with a new set of PCs (PC's children? Henchmen? Thier old First Mates?)...Jenner20572012-03-21T11:30:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsGreycloak of Bownesshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#92012-03-20T15:34:04Z2012-03-20T15:34:04Z<p>I'm at the halfway point of running RotR/Kingmaker together. They've meshed together quite well.</p>I'm at the halfway point of running RotR/Kingmaker together. They've meshed together quite well.Greycloak of Bowness2012-03-20T15:34:04ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure Pathsrichard develynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#82012-03-20T09:25:22Z2012-03-20T09:25:22Z<p>Thank you once again.</p>
<p>I've also been wondering how the forthcoming S&S and SS (oh dear, acronyms are dying), might dovetail in with SeSk for the former and the likes of JR (beginning) and SD for the latter.</p>
<p>I liked all your ideas, though.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Richard</p>Thank you once again.
I've also been wondering how the forthcoming S&S and SS (oh dear, acronyms are dying), might dovetail in with SeSk for the former and the likes of JR (beginning) and SD for the latter.
I liked all your ideas, though.
Cheers
Richardrichard develyn2012-03-20T09:25:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsScott Andrewshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#72012-03-19T23:00:49Z2012-03-19T23:00:49Z<p>Dotted for awesome</p>Dotted for awesomeScott Andrews2012-03-19T23:00:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsDiamond Bhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#62012-03-19T16:21:14Z2012-03-19T16:21:14Z<p>Dot</p>
<p>For when I'm cycled back into the GM seat in a Pathfinder capacity.</p>Dot
For when I'm cycled back into the GM seat in a Pathfinder capacity.Diamond B2012-03-19T16:21:14ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsJenner2057https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#52019-05-22T00:52:12Z2012-03-19T15:42:40Z<p>I'm trying to think and honestly I can't think of any others that would be an easy fit.</p>
<p>DISCLAIMER: I don't own LoF and haven't read CC (I'm going to be a player in that next). I've also only skimmed JR thus far.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>Just some more random thoughts. </p>
<p>EDIT: Thought of one more. You might be able to mesh SD and KM.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>I'm trying to think and honestly I can't think of any others that would be an easy fit.
DISCLAIMER: I don't own LoF and haven't read CC (I'm going to be a player in that next). I've also only skimmed JR thus far.
[Spoiler omitted]
Just some more random thoughts.
EDIT: Thought of one more. You might be able to mesh SD and KM.
[Spoiler omitted]Jenner20572012-03-19T15:42:40ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure Pathsrichard develynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#42012-03-19T13:41:49Z2012-03-19T13:41:49Z<p>Thank you - that's excellent.</p>
<p>Do you think there are any others (apart from CotCT and RotRL) which would combine better?</p>
<p>Richard</p>Thank you - that's excellent.
Do you think there are any others (apart from CotCT and RotRL) which would combine better?
Richardrichard develyn2012-03-19T13:41:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure PathsJenner2057https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#32012-03-19T12:28:38Z2012-03-19T12:28:38Z<p>Ciretose is right in that both SD and SS have issues (some bad plot/story points) but I think they could be combined with some (probably a lot of) work.</p>
<p>Here's one thought...</p>
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<p>Just some thoughts on how it might be done.</p>Ciretose is right in that both SD and SS have issues (some bad plot/story points) but I think they could be combined with some (probably a lot of) work.
Here's one thought...
[Spoiler omitted]
Just some thoughts on how it might be done.Jenner20572012-03-19T12:28:38ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure Pathsciretosehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#22012-03-18T20:31:12Z2012-03-18T20:31:12Z<p>I also ran a RorRL CoTCT a while back that worked out very well. Those seem the most favorable to joining, IMHO as they have natural crossovers.</p>
<p>I don't see SD and SS working, both had good parts but went off the rails in the second act, by most accounts. Particularly SD.</p>I also ran a RorRL CoTCT a while back that worked out very well. Those seem the most favorable to joining, IMHO as they have natural crossovers.
I don't see SD and SS working, both had good parts but went off the rails in the second act, by most accounts. Particularly SD.ciretose2012-03-18T20:31:12ZForums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Combining Adventure Pathsrichard develynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsyb?Combining-Adventure-Paths#12012-03-18T20:21:59Z2012-03-18T20:21:59Z<p>Does anyone have any recommendations on what APs might combine well into one double (or even triple) sized result?</p>
<p>I ran CotCT and RotRL together a while back, and that worked more or less ok.</p>
<p>What about SD and SS? Don't they both deal with evil underground races. I must admit I don't know the plot sufficiently of some of the other APs to make a stab at this.</p>
<p>Richard</p>Does anyone have any recommendations on what APs might combine well into one double (or even triple) sized result?
I ran CotCT and RotRL together a while back, and that worked more or less ok.
What about SD and SS? Don't they both deal with evil underground races. I must admit I don't know the plot sufficiently of some of the other APs to make a stab at this.
Richardrichard develyn2012-03-18T20:21:59Z