paizo.com Recent Posts in Is America a rogue state?paizo.com Recent Posts in Is America a rogue state?2012-07-19T11:03:26Z2012-07-19T11:03:26ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?yellowdingohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#2002012-07-20T00:53:56Z2012-07-19T21:00:19Z<p><a href="http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/07/us-air-force-testing-dangerous-drone-lasers-above-north-dakota/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">cant get more rogue state than lasers to blind your enemies</a></p>cant get more rogue state than lasers to blind your enemiesyellowdingo2012-07-19T21:00:19ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?yellowdingohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1992012-07-19T13:31:04Z2012-07-19T10:03:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Draconis wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Nah it's the same old game that's been played for centuries.
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There's nothing new under the sun. Read history. All the same tricks in new packages. </blockquote><p>The Rogue State Game...Next they will nuke their own population and blame the Russians gaining a +2 Propaganda bonus to production.Alex Draconis wrote:Nah it's the same old game that's been played for centuries.
There's nothing new under the sun. Read history. All the same tricks in new packages.
The Rogue State Game...Next they will nuke their own population and blame the Russians gaining a +2 Propaganda bonus to production.yellowdingo2012-07-19T10:03:17ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?ewan cumminshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1982012-07-19T11:03:12Z2012-07-19T06:52:30Z<p>Short answer: no.</p>
<p>Long answer: The United States is not a rogue state because 'rogue state' is just a label the US political elite slaps on small and relatively weak states that pose obstacles to US foreign policy goals— or small states that make for convenient scapegoats.</p>
<p>The US has a number of clients and allies that commit many of the same sorts of human rights abuses that we read about in places like Cuba or Iran.</p>
<p>North Korea might be a special case. I get the impression that even the Chinese don't much like the North Korean regime— but they have to deal with it and they don't want us fooling around in their corner of the world.</p>
<p>YMMV</p>Short answer: no.
Long answer: The United States is not a rogue state because 'rogue state' is just a label the US political elite slaps on small and relatively weak states that pose obstacles to US foreign policy goals-- or small states that make for convenient scapegoats.
The US has a number of clients and allies that commit many of the same sorts of human rights abuses that we read about in places like Cuba or Iran.
North Korea might be a special case. I get the impression that even the...ewan cummins2012-07-19T06:52:30ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Smarnil le couard (alias of Francois BOURRIAUD)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1972012-07-19T06:58:23Z2012-03-30T10:06:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aretas wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I stand by my deleted post, you all can look up the facts. Flagging my post does not erase reality in the real world guys. </p>
<p>Take care. </blockquote><p>Oh, you are mistaken. I didn't flag anything, as I truly, completely missed your answer and have absolutely no idea of what it was.
<p>Guess it was somehow sufficient to throw the Byersometer off the dial.</p>
<p>For my part, I just hold Israel to the same standards as anyone else, that is : upholding past agreements, and human rights for all, including palestinians.</p>Aretas wrote:I stand by my deleted post, you all can look up the facts. Flagging my post does not erase reality in the real world guys.
Take care.
Oh, you are mistaken. I didn't flag anything, as I truly, completely missed your answer and have absolutely no idea of what it was. Guess it was somehow sufficient to throw the Byersometer off the dial.
For my part, I just hold Israel to the same standards as anyone else, that is : upholding past agreements, and human rights for all, including...Smarnil le couard (alias of Francois BOURRIAUD)2012-03-30T10:06:48ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Sissylhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1962012-07-19T06:52:54Z2012-03-30T09:32:49Z<p>For myself, I am anti-fanaticism and anti-totalitarianism. Doesn't win me much support when discussing with religious people, but still. If someone murders, lies and so on, and backs it up with some kind of religious dogma, then that person is a problem. If the dogma happens to be political instead, such as communism or such, it's just as much a problem. I think this world would be a good sight better if people understood that their rabid views CAN NOT be supported by dogma, they have to take responsibility for their views THEMSELVES.</p>For myself, I am anti-fanaticism and anti-totalitarianism. Doesn't win me much support when discussing with religious people, but still. If someone murders, lies and so on, and backs it up with some kind of religious dogma, then that person is a problem. If the dogma happens to be political instead, such as communism or such, it's just as much a problem. I think this world would be a good sight better if people understood that their rabid views CAN NOT be supported by dogma, they have to take...Sissyl2012-03-30T09:32:49ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?feytharnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1952012-03-30T08:51:53Z2012-03-30T08:51:53Z<p>Ahm...
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To avoid misconceptions
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Try reading your post again.
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It can be very misleading, I think...</p>Ahm...
To avoid misconceptions
Try reading your post again.
It can be very misleading, I think...feytharn2012-03-30T08:51:53ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Aretashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1942012-03-30T08:03:36Z2012-03-30T08:03:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Stuffy Grammarian wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Aretas wrote:</div><blockquote> "Your critical of Islam? Dead!" </blockquote><p>Under my Grammarian Dictatorship, <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">constant confusion of "your" and "you're" </a> would also be punishable by death!
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>P.S. Just to be clear, I'm as anti-Islamicist as you are; however, I'm also anti-theocrat in general (unlike you, from what I gather).</span> </blockquote><p>I'm not anti Islamist. I and many of my Muslim friends are anti Islamo-Nazis who kill in the name of Allah.
<p>I'm not a Theocrat so please don't call me that. </p>
<p>Peace.</p>Stuffy Grammarian wrote:Aretas wrote: "Your critical of Islam? Dead!"
Under my Grammarian Dictatorship, constant confusion of "your" and "you're" would also be punishable by death! P.S. Just to be clear, I'm as anti-Islamicist as you are; however, I'm also anti-theocrat in general (unlike you, from what I gather). I'm not anti Islamist. I and many of my Muslim friends are anti Islamo-Nazis who kill in the name of Allah. I'm not a Theocrat so please don't call me that.
Peace.Aretas2012-03-30T08:03:36ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Aretashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1932012-03-30T07:58:14Z2012-03-30T07:58:14Z<p>I stand by my deleted post, you all can look up the facts. Flagging my post does not erase reality in the real world guys. </p>
<p>Take care.</p>I stand by my deleted post, you all can look up the facts. Flagging my post does not erase reality in the real world guys.
Take care.Aretas2012-03-30T07:58:14ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Smarnil le couard (alias of Francois BOURRIAUD)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1922012-03-30T07:02:02Z2012-03-30T07:02:02Z<p>I guess I missed Aretas' angry retort. My bad. :)</p>I guess I missed Aretas' angry retort. My bad. :)Smarnil le couard (alias of Francois BOURRIAUD)2012-03-30T07:02:02ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Ross Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1912012-07-19T06:25:12Z2012-03-30T02:02:23Z<p>I removed some posts and the replies to them.</p>
<p>I realize this is a sensitive topic for many people, but posting angry isn't going to help de-escalate any arguments. Take a deep breath, maybe re-read your post to make sure it says what you really mean before hitting submit.</p>
<p>Also, flag it and move on.</p>I removed some posts and the replies to them.
I realize this is a sensitive topic for many people, but posting angry isn't going to help de-escalate any arguments. Take a deep breath, maybe re-read your post to make sure it says what you really mean before hitting submit.
Also, flag it and move on.Ross Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)2012-03-30T02:02:23ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Stuffy Grammarian (alias of Kirth Gersen)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1872012-03-29T22:14:02Z2012-03-29T22:14:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aretas wrote:</div><blockquote> "Your critical of Islam? Dead!" </blockquote><p>Under my Grammarian Dictatorship, <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">constant confusion of "your" and "you're" </a> would also be punishable by death!
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>P.S. Just to be clear, I'm as anti-Islamicist as you are; however, I'm also anti-theocrat in general (unlike you, from what I gather).</span></p>Aretas wrote:"Your critical of Islam? Dead!"
Under my Grammarian Dictatorship, constant confusion of "your" and "you're" would also be punishable by death! P.S. Just to be clear, I'm as anti-Islamicist as you are; however, I'm also anti-theocrat in general (unlike you, from what I gather).Stuffy Grammarian (alias of Kirth Gersen)2012-03-29T22:14:02ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1862012-07-19T06:24:56Z2012-03-29T22:02:40Z<p>I guess I just don't understand why the USA needs to be allied with Israel if it should be AMERICA AGAINST ALL!!, Citizen Aretas.</p>I guess I just don't understand why the USA needs to be allied with Israel if it should be AMERICA AGAINST ALL!!, Citizen Aretas.Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-03-29T22:02:40ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?BigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1832012-07-19T16:22:34Z2012-03-29T17:49:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee"> Aretas wrote:</div><blockquote>Yes we will stand by them. Are you interested in the US getting out of the way so militant Islam can push the Jews into the sea?</blockquote><p>Since the alternative was militant Judaism pushing muslims into increasingly smaller and smaller areas to the point that they became unlivable, yes. Six of one, half a dozen of the other= no need to get involved.Aretas wrote:Yes we will stand by them. Are you interested in the US getting out of the way so militant Islam can push the Jews into the sea?
Since the alternative was militant Judaism pushing muslims into increasingly smaller and smaller areas to the point that they became unlivable, yes. Six of one, half a dozen of the other= no need to get involved.BigNorseWolf2012-03-29T17:49:21ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Aretashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1812012-03-29T03:06:33Z2012-03-29T03:06:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Smarnil le couard wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Aretas wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">FuelDrop wrote:</div><blockquote><p> so we have a nation that fragrantly ignores international law whenever it feels like it, flouts human rights violations, spent most of the last century threatening anyone they didn't like with nukes, is taking increasingly opressive measures against its own people in the name of security, has a massively corrupt government, invades other nations for their natural resources... and more. </p>
<p>does this behavior classify America a rogue state, just one too big and powerful to take down? you know what, there are plenty of americans around here to speak for themselves. Given some of the other messageboards around here, i know that several of our regular posters will have something to say on the subject. let's keep this civil people and, let's face it, i'd love to be convinced i'm wrong on this one. </blockquote><p>"Lets keep this civil"? LOL. Thats funny after saying all that. I would like to say lets make this conversation factual, not a fabrication of your fanstasy.
<p>I and many Americans have had enough. We are sick and tired of our politicians selling us out to foreign interests. Its time to put America first. Against All! </blockquote><p>Hi Aretas! How are you doin'?
<p>I wasn't under the impression that your politicians were selling you to <b>foreign</b> interests (emphasis mine), but hey, why not? Care to discuss your feelings about it ?</p>
<p>As an afterthought, the only case I can think of where the USA cares about foreign interests is Israel. They have really gone the extra thousand miles to stand by them against... almost everybody else. </blockquote><p>Yes we will stand by them. Are you interested in the US getting out of the way so militant Islam can push the Jews into the sea? The US could have removed itself from the region during the cold war so the Soviets could have done what they pleased.
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Israel is a strategic ally & a friend of the US.</p>Smarnil le couard wrote:Aretas wrote: FuelDrop wrote:so we have a nation that fragrantly ignores international law whenever it feels like it, flouts human rights violations, spent most of the last century threatening anyone they didn't like with nukes, is taking increasingly opressive measures against its own people in the name of security, has a massively corrupt government, invades other nations for their natural resources... and more.
does this behavior classify America a rogue state,...Aretas2012-03-29T03:06:33ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1802012-03-28T20:36:20Z2012-03-28T20:36:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aretas wrote:</div><blockquote><p>"Lets keep this civil"? LOL. Thats funny after saying all that. I would like to say lets make this conversation factual, not a fabrication of your fanstasy. </p>
<p>I and many Americans have had enough. We are sick and tired of our politicians selling us out to foreign interests. Its time to put America first. Against All! </p>
<p></blockquote><p>I'm going to clip this post and frame it. Thank you, Citizen Aretas.Aretas wrote:"Lets keep this civil"? LOL. Thats funny after saying all that. I would like to say lets make this conversation factual, not a fabrication of your fanstasy.
I and many Americans have had enough. We are sick and tired of our politicians selling us out to foreign interests. Its time to put America first. Against All!
I'm going to clip this post and frame it. Thank you, Citizen Aretas.Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-03-28T20:36:20ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Turin the Madhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1792012-07-19T13:29:50Z2012-03-28T17:38:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">houstonderek wrote:</div><blockquote> There's a difference between isolationism and non-interventionism. </blockquote><p>Ah, true. Thanks for pointing that out as the spirit of what I was (trying) to say. o7houstonderek wrote:There's a difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.
Ah, true. Thanks for pointing that out as the spirit of what I was (trying) to say. o7Turin the Mad2012-03-28T17:38:32ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?houstonderekhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1782012-07-19T13:29:42Z2012-03-28T17:21:58Z<p>There's a difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.</p>There's a difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.houstonderek2012-03-28T17:21:58ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Turin the Madhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1772012-07-19T13:29:58Z2012-03-28T16:11:22Z<p>Isolationism has strong appeal when there hasn't been a big global boogeyman for 20+ years.</p>
<p>Let's fix our stuff and leave the 'tardlets to buy our 2nd-grade weapons to blow each other to kingdom come with, eh?</p>Isolationism has strong appeal when there hasn't been a big global boogeyman for 20+ years.
Let's fix our stuff and leave the 'tardlets to buy our 2nd-grade weapons to blow each other to kingdom come with, eh?Turin the Mad2012-03-28T16:11:22ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Is America a rogue state?Smarnil le couard (alias of Francois BOURRIAUD)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nsw6&page=4?Is-America-a-rogue-state#1762012-03-28T14:54:43Z2012-03-28T14:54:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:</div><blockquote> I am always in need of cybersex, semi-Comrade le Couard! </blockquote><p><scroll, scroll, scroll>Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:I am always in need of cybersex, semi-Comrade le Couard!Smarnil le couard (alias of Francois BOURRIAUD)2012-03-28T14:54:43Z