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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
Thank god the punk movement came in and killed disco and then promptly died leaving the music scene open for the post-punk and new wave sounds that made the 80's one of the best decades of music.

Yeah, thank god punk killed disco.

Fool.

And how is that disco? Should of used Blondie for your example.


More evidence that punk, post-punk and new wave killed disco.

Gang of Four

Talking Heads

New Order

David Bowie


Xabulba wrote:
Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
Thank god the punk movement came in and killed disco and then promptly died leaving the music scene open for the post-punk and new wave sounds that made the 80's one of the best decades of music.

Yeah, thank god punk killed disco.

Fool.

And how is that disco? Should of used Blondie for your example.

Uh, the beat, the groove, the breakdown during the second verse. Do you even know what disco is?


Kajehase wrote:
Yup. disco's dead in the water.

A dead, flogged horse is what it is

Sovereign Court

The 80s ruled. Without the 80s we wouldn't have Ashes to Ashes.

Or the Ashes to Ashes / Top Gear cross over.


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Anyone care to talk smack about country music?


C'mon, I've got nothing to do for another two hours!


meatrace wrote:
Virtually zero mainstream American bands were worth listening to in the '70s. I'm hard pressed to think of one.

RAMONES!

RAMONES!
R A M O N E S!

I know KISS is a joke now and has been for a long time...but those loveable goofs were a major gateway to my rebellion. Theres still a few good songs on those albums. "She", Cold Gin", "Parasite"

no Eagles, but I like some Jackson Browne stuff.

TOM PETTY...YES!

Alice Cooper had three (or so) amazing albums that influenced a million copycats.

Speaking of that, Edward Van Halen came up with the hard rock noodling that brought fifteen million fingers learnin how to play...and you could hear the fingers pickin and this is what they had to sayyyyyy. (I know Angus and Bon are Aussie/Scottish)

Thats all I can think of, but Im still at work. Ill post again tonight.

Sovereign Court

Country music makes me think of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6qiUMCJCUA&feature=related. It makes me angry.

Unless it's The Man in Black. He's cool.


Country makes me think of this. Makes me happy.

Sovereign Court

Doesn't she do bluegrass? :)

Riders on the Storm from the Blues Brothers was pretty awesome.


Bluegrass - country, just different stages of evolution.


Robert Hawkshaw wrote:
Country music makes me think of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6qiUMCJCUA&feature=related. It makes me angry.

Mashing Warren Zevon and Skynyrd does not a country song make.

But that song also makes me mad because every time I hear it I think it's going to be, well, my song.

Back to the seventies, The Ramones were undeniably awesome, Drunken Nomad, but Citizen Meatrace (or should I say Fool #1?) will claim that they aren't mainstream. Which is more true than his ridiculous claims about soul music, Cheap Trick and The Cars.


And, I apologize for calling people stooges and fools, but I think it's funny. Better here then in the political threads, right?


Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
And, I apologize for calling people stooges and fools, but I think it's funny. Better here then in the political threads, right?

...i just imagine that you are saying it in Mr T's voice...FOO!


Speaking of fools, I went and looked up Citizen Meatrace's age and I have NOT been listening to the Velvet Underground longer than he has been alive, so I retract that.

Dark Archive

Silly Goblin finally showing some sgns of humility about time.


Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Speaking of fools, I went and looked up Citizen Meatrace's age and I have NOT been listening to the Velvet Underground longer than he has been alive, so I retract that.

I was gonna say. You went on this old codger rant and I'm like...I've seen pictures of you, I don't think you're over 40. I've been into VU since senior year of HS, or about 14 years ago. But what does that matter? Timeless music is timeless.

I will take a dig at country though, now that you've put the challenge out. I happen to like old country, like Hank Williams. Not a whole heck of a lot, but I like it. I can't stand anything that's been produced post Garth Brooks though.

And just to alienate as many of you as possible, some stuff I REALLY like:
Autechre
Deadmau5
Massive Attack
Cabaret Voltaire
The Faint

Sovereign Court

Why would massive attack alienate people?

Now Scooter or Lords of Acid could scare people off...


But, of course, I am all about love.

A post that even fools and stooges can enjoy.

Gang of Four--"To Hell With Poverty"

Magazine--"A Song from Under the Floorboards"

Eno--"Baby's On Fire"

The Rezillos--"Top of the Pops"

The Adverts--"Gary Gilmore's Eyes"

The Damned--"Smash It Up"

Alternative TV--"Love Lies Limp"

The X-Ray Spex--"The Day the World Turned Dayglo"


I was this close to posting New Rose by The Damned myself.
Ya know, that's not my favorite era of Eno. I'm a big Roxy fan, and I have probably every album of his from Warm Jets to Apollo, but I can never really get into Warm Jets. There's a long and involved story about why that I don't have time to get into.

But that (by and large) is a selection I can get behind, Comrade.

Sovereign Court

What about Kraftwerk? They sing about Madam Curie.

From the 70s but not american. Although they had that lebowski movie made about them.

Neko Case does good country.


Yes, Kraftwerk is awesome. Explain to me how Big Lebowski is about Kraftwerk? I'm baffled.

My girlfriend met Neko Case when she and some of her band ate at the Cracker Barrel where she worked.

Sovereign Court

The german band of nihilists - Autobahn - are a parody of Kraftwerk. So not the whole movie :)


Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
Thank god the punk movement came in and killed disco and then promptly died leaving the music scene open for the post-punk and new wave sounds that made the 80's one of the best decades of music.

Yeah, thank god punk killed disco.

Fool.

And how is that disco? Should of used Blondie for your example.
Uh, the beat, the groove, the breakdown during the second verse. Do you even know what disco is?

Disco is tight nylon clothing and bell-bottoms and shoulder-wide collars, sequined dresses and Cuban healed shoes and mirrored balls. Disco was only partly music the rest was a lifestyle that was killed by punk. The corpse of disco could still be seen in the club scenes of the 80's & 90's only to be finally resurrected into the perverted glory that is the Rave.


Autobahn

And, I didn't look long, but here, The Dude can be holding Autobahn's debut album. NSFW!


Bill Withers is another fairly popular dude from the 70's that his music still stands up. Al Green too. He has a couple of hits in the late 60s but most of his peak creativity is from the 70s.

Kool and the Gang were prominent on FM radio in the 70s.

But I guess the OP (well the OP of lack of US 70s music) is almost right. Most of the 70s stuff I have or listen to is from other places. Australia, UK (Birmingham), Germany, Canada...and the Netherlands (Golden Earring!) Some of the ones listed above are carryovers from the 60s (Simon and Garfunkle for example).

Joe Walsh is a splinter of the Eagles argument, James Gang happened in the 70s, but his solo stuff is 80s.

Parliament/Funkadelic and Bootsy stuff I love, but Im not sure if they weren't widely accepted till Dre and Snoop.

Theres a mess of one hit wonders that I have on vinyl, but Im not sure if they count as mainstream.

Raspberries, Starz, Big Star, and others.

Jefferson Starship released "Jane" in 79, the only song I like by them.

The Nuge was everywhere in the 70's, but he's not my cup of tea. A little wango a little tango!


meatrace wrote:
3)Neil Young and Alice Cooper-fair enough, but the rest of that list is pretty craptastic as well.

He may live in California but Neil Young is Canadian.

Greg

Liberty's Edge

Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
Thank god the punk movement came in and killed disco and then promptly died leaving the music scene open for the post-punk and new wave sounds that made the 80's one of the best decades of music.

Yeah, thank god punk killed disco.

Fool.

Well, Disco begat house which begat pretty much all modern EDM that didn't come from the Kraftwerk/Industrial chain.

Disco never died, it just started taking ecstasy and sucking on pacifiers.

Liberty's Edge

I thought House was built on the Electronica Instrumental era (which was like 2 years at the end of Disco (ELO?))

Liberty's Edge

Oh, gosh. Go to an old school Chicago or Detroit House DJ and mention ELO and they'll laugh so freaking hard you'll have to call a paramedic.


houstonderek wrote:


Well, Disco begat house which begat pretty much all modern EDM that didn't come from the Kraftwerk/Industrial chain.

Disco never died, it just started taking ecstasy and sucking on pacifiers.

This is true. Though I'm amused that you put Kraftwerk and Industrial in the same group. Certainly Kraftwerk was a big influence on House and Electro in the '80s as well.

There's plenty of interplay between those groups as well. Cabaret Voltaire. Depeche Mode. The Belleville Three in Detroit and all Chicago House (Acid) was pretty distinctly Kraftwerk-inspired.


stardust wrote:
I thought House was built on the Electronica Instrumental era (which was like 2 years at the end of Disco (ELO?))

Nah house is just another name for disco after it evolved. The fad died out but the hardcores were still around, feverishly interbreeding with all other forms of dance. House is definitely the widest assortment of dance sounds. Everything from Gloria Estefan, to Madonna, to Technotronic, to The Prodigy to Basement Jaxx can be considered House, or some exponent thereof.

Basically house is anything you'd hear in a generic dance club, one that doesn't specifically cater to a more refined or specific sound like Techno or EBM or Hip-Hop, though, again, those styles have an influence on house as well.

Liberty's Edge

meatrace wrote:
houstonderek wrote:


Well, Disco begat house which begat pretty much all modern EDM that didn't come from the Kraftwerk/Industrial chain.

Disco never died, it just started taking ecstasy and sucking on pacifiers.

This is true. Though I'm amused that you put Kraftwerk and Industrial in the same group. Certainly Kraftwerk was a big influence on House and Electro in the '80s as well.

There's plenty of interplay between those groups as well. Cabaret Voltaire. Depeche Mode. The Belleville Three in Detroit and all Chicago House (Acid) was pretty distinctly Kraftwerk-inspired.

Yeah, Acid house took a lot of inspiration from Kraftwerk and the Euro scene, but house house was pretty much disco with a bass machine.


houstonderek wrote:


Yeah, Acid house took a lot of inspiration from Kraftwerk and the Euro scene, but house house was pretty much disco with a bass machine.

Well I guess I'd still object to that categorization. Acid House is still house music, just from Chicago...and the first Acid DJs/producers were DJs at the club (The Warehouse) where the term House was coined. House music doesn't particularly sound like disco, it just continued the practice of playing music specifically made for clubs. Which, by 1980, included an awful lot of synthesizer-based music. If you deny a Kraftwerk inspiration, which is legit, you can't then deny a Giorgio Moroder inspiration.

Liberty's Edge

Acid house came along later than just plain old house house (thinking more mid-Eighties). The stuff they were playing at the Warehouse was mostly just mixed disco with a bass machine, and, yeah, some Euro mixed in. And, really, don't forget Yellow Magic Orchestra and all that.

And, um, why would I deny a disco producer's influence? ;-)


Interesting stuff, HD. I'm a huge fan of 80s house myself.

Scarab Sages

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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Look, don't get me wrong: The Velvet Underground are awesome. I lost my virginity to The Velvet Underground (and Simon & Garfunkel).

That must have been one crowded room!

But not to Mrs Robinson?

Scarab Sages

Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Anyone care to talk smack about country music?

No, it's great.


houstonderek wrote:

Acid house came along later than just plain old house house (thinking more mid-Eighties). The stuff they were playing at the Warehouse was mostly just mixed disco with a bass machine, and, yeah, some Euro mixed in. And, really, don't forget Yellow Magic Orchestra and all that.

And, um, why would I deny a disco producer's influence? ;-)

What do you mean by "a bass machine"? And "Euro". Euro typically refers to Euro-house or Eurodance, which is just house music from Europe.

My point is that even regular house, other than the VERY earliest gigs at the Warehouse, was almost entirely electronic. What they called house music in 1977 may have just been cut and paste disco, but by the 1980 it was entirely electronic, as is house music produced to this day.

And that's what I mean when I say it's disco evolved. The spirit and the positive energy stayed the same, but the crowd, production techniques, and styles have changed through the years.

But at least you don't refer to anything vaguely electronic as "techno" which is one of my big pet peeves. Techno=Detroit! *fist held high*

Liberty's Edge

I have way too many dj friend to make that mistake :-)

And, yeah, my basic point was disco isn't dead, it just changed with the times.

Liberty's Edge

I meant drum machine, 303, etc.


houstonderek wrote:
I meant drum machine, 303, etc.

Still confused lol.

A 303 isn't a drum machine.
By "bass machine" do you mean drum machine? Do you mean a monophonic step-sequencing synthesizer like a 303 or a SH-101? Or did you just mean synthesizers in general?

Liberty's Edge

IANADJ, so I guess I just mean everything that isn't a record on a turntable that adds the beats and the other effects.


drunken_nomad wrote:
Speaking of that, Edward Van Halen came up with the hard rock noodling that brought fifteen million fingers learnin how to play...

Correction -- Eddie van Halen stole his "tapping" technique from Steve Hackett, greatest guitarist of the British ProgRock movement of the early '70s, who pioneered its use in rock music.

Listen to Hackett on tracks like "Return of the Giant Hogweed" (from the 1971 Nursery Cryme album, IIRC), and then go back and listen to Eddie. Also, be sure to catch Hackett's solos on "The Musical Box" and "Fountain of Salmacis" on that album -- the man's a god. Hell, Nursery Cryme is probably one of the 20 best albums ever recorded. And it remains one of the greatest travesties of the 20th century that drummer Phil Collins and the other insipid remnants were somehow allowed to call themselves "Genesis" after Peter Gabriel went insane and left after 1974, and Hackett quit in disgust soon thereafter.


Yep. You are right. He didnt invent it. I remember in a biography EVH mentioning Billy Gibbons and someone else (probably Hackett) as people who he took the idea from.

But, he was the one that brought it mainstream.


Trivia: One of my co-workers was married by Rev. Billy Gibbons -- the same one. In an Ikea store, instead of a church. Crazy times, man.


Wow... not even Swedes would think of getting married in an Ikea store.

...T think.

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