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Disqualification


RPG Superstar™ 2012 General Discussion

Contributor

The following is the unanimous ruling of the judges and Paizo representatives following meeting and discussion:

Unfortunately, we have decided to disqualify competitor Bob Drouin from the 2012 RPG Superstar competition.

The Round 3 rules state that a submission may be disqualified if
"Competitor adds to, expands upon, or clarifies the contents of his or her own submission during the voting period, whether this takes place on paizo.com or elsewhere."

The Official Rules for the entire contest state
"5. During public voting rounds, contestants are prohibited from any public discussion that could be considered as adding to, expanding upon, or clarifying the content of their current submission. This applies to (but is not limited to) interviews, personal blogs, and messageboard posts on paizo.com or elsewhere, including the paizo.com discussion thread for the entry itself. Any such discussion may result in disqualification, in the sole discretion of the judges and/or Paizo."

The competitors were warned during Round 2 about crossing the line for what is acceptable posting, reminded about the FAQ and its safe-to-post statement.

We've reached the point where gentle warnings about "do this one more time and someone is getting disqualified" are not sufficient. While we want this to remain a friendly and pleasant competition, Paizo needs to make sure that competitors can follow the rules of a contest (just as we'd expect them to follow the rules of a work contract or a confidentiality agreement).

In future rounds, competitors will not be allowed to post about about their submissions at all while voting is open.

Bob Drouin's entry is disqualified and he will not advance to the next round. No alternates will be brought in to take his place. To prevent a technical issue where deleting his entry may accidentally redistribute votes for him to other competitors, his entry in the voting booth will have a line through it; if you vote for him, that vote will not count. You are still able to reassign your votes until the voting period ends on Friday, February 20th.

Marathon Voter 2013

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Quote:
In future rounds, competitors will not be allowed to post about about their submissions at all while voting is open.

Is this going to be enforced by the forum software such that they cannot post? With the new PM system, will those be monitored as well?

Paizo Employee PostMonster General

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We are not fans of technological restraints like that. Frankly, if you can't keep your yap shut you don't get to work on NDA'd projects. (Also, I am too lazy to bother writing that code.)

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka Hodge Podge

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That's a shame. :(
Am I correct in assuming we will still be allowed to post the "Thank you, vote for me!" message in our entries?

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

Chris Shaeffer wrote:

That's a shame. :(

Am I correct in assuming we will still be allowed to post the "Thank you, vote for me!" message in our entries?

I'll refer you to...

Sean K. Reynolds wrote:
In future rounds, competitors will not be allowed to post about about their submissions at all while voting is open.

I took that to mean, nothing at all. Besides, who at this point doesn't know that all of you would like to thank those commenting on your thread and encourage them to vote for you? It's kind of superfluous really.

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka Hodge Podge

Yeah, that's why I asked.
Duly noted, and I sort of agree with you on the superfluity.
Thanks!

Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I am always sad to see this happen to someone. :-(

That they have done so to themselves makes it particularly disheartening, though I understand why it needs to be done.


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The unfortunate thing is that Bob's infractions were nowhere near as bad as some of the other competitors during round 2 (albeit they didn't make it to round 3). I understand why the judges did this, and there were repeated warnings in round 2 about this.

I hope Bob bares no ill will and holds his head high on getting this far in the competition, to which he must be given his due credit.

Dedicated Voter 2013, Dedicated Voter 2014

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Tales Subscriber

Argh, I can't tell how much I am pi**ed about the fact that someone who displayed such good entries is not able to follow a very simple rule.

Such a waste is a shame.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

It is indeed a shame. Thanks for the run, Bob.

Neil Spicer wrote:
Chris Shaeffer wrote:

That's a shame. :(

Am I correct in assuming we will still be allowed to post the "Thank you, vote for me!" message in our entries?

I'll refer you to...

Sean K. Reynolds wrote:
In future rounds, competitors will not be allowed to post about about their submissions at all while voting is open.
I took that to mean, nothing at all. Besides, who at this point doesn't know that all of you would like to thank those commenting on your thread and encourage them to vote for you? It's kind of superfluous really.

A follow-up to this (although I suppose it will be clarified in the round 4 rules) - are we allowed to remind others about the contest and issue a general appeal for votes and support? Case in point, I posted this in my PbP threads: In other news - the RPG Superstar round 3 entries are up. As always, I would greatly appreciate your support and your votes.


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Well, I'd like to give both my respect to the judges for making the decision (I'm sure it's never easy to make the choice), compassion to Bob with the disqualification and most of all remind all the other top 16 (15) to be very, very careful in everything they do on these boards. Consider every post, both for wording, politeness and for "is this really worth the chance of even potential disqualification?" as long as the round in question is running. Stay careful, all of you.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014

Neil Spicer wrote:


Sean K. Reynolds wrote:


In future rounds, competitors will not be allowed to post about about their submissions at all while voting is open.
I took that to mean, nothing at all. Besides, who at this point doesn't know that all of you would like to thank those commenting on your thread and encourage them to vote for you? It's kind of superfluous really.

That's certainly the safe way to read Sean's instruction, and is what I will do pending any clarification. It's a shame that the judges feel this is a necessary step, in a couple of ways. Firstly, it's just plain polite to respond to people who take the time to comment. Secondly, responding appropriately to both praise and criticism is a good 'freelancer-ready test'.

So even though this will make life simpler for everyone, and I understand the drivers... it's still a shame.

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Star Voter 2013, Dedicated Voter 2014 aka FaxCelestis

You can still reply to praise/criticism, just after voting's over.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Star Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka Aelryinth

Oh, I'm not mad. Thanks for the sympathy, all!

But they did completely remove my thread, hmm. Which is going to make it deuced hard to get comments on it once the voting is down, as I'd like to go through my thought processes when making my beast.

Am I going to be allowed to repost my submission and deconstruct it once voting is done?

Also, I'd like to post a link to the picture which inspired my creature, and now that I'm out of the competition, was wondering if that was okay...or to once again wait for the voting to end.

And yes, I did vote for some of you other people! ;) Good luck to you all, and hopefully you gnaw your shields longer then I did!

===Bob Drouin

RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014 aka motteditor

I still see your thread, Bob. Sorry about the DQ.

Andoran Star Voter 2013

Hope you try again next year Bob. Keep your chin up.

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, 2011 Top 32, 2012 Top 4

As a fan of Lovecraft/REH/etc, I'm a big fan of your cancer from the void, Bob. Kudos to you and your creative genius. Tough break this time around, but I hope to see you here in the trenches next year!

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 aka MythMage

Always a shame to see any part of a contest end in disqualification. :-(

I also hope you try again next year.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Bob Drouin wrote:

But they did completely remove my thread, hmm. ...

Also, I'd like to post a link to the picture which inspired my creature, and now that I'm out of the competition, was wondering if that was okay...or to once again wait for the voting to end.

We didn't remove it. Not sure why you couldn't see it....

Yes, please wait until voting is closed, just to keep the focus on the votable entries.

Thanks!

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Star Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka Aelryinth

David Ross wrote:

Always a shame to see any part of a contest end in disqualification. :-(

I also hope you try again next year.

Oh, I've already got my item for next year!

==Bob Drouin

Sczarni

Best of luck next year, Bob. I really liked your monster.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Aw, bummer that you got DQed, Bob. I'm really impressed with the way you are carrying yourself throughout this though. Hope to see your work next year.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Star Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka Aelryinth

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Just waiting for results to be announced on Monday for some more posting!

Y'know, not having the stress of competition made this a much more relaxing weekend then last one!

Thanks for the kind comments! Now wish good luck to the survivors!

==Bob Drouin

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