Earlier today, Nintendo unveiled it's upcoming console, the Wii U. Looks like Nintendo will finally be bringing HD to the table, along with another unique controller. I am both worried and excited about this. The controller definately has some interesting ways it could be implemented, but I think that we'll still have the problem that the Wii did: a bunch of shovelware because of control gimmicks. Anyone have any thoughts?
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It looks like it should just be an accessory that you can buy for the regular wii. It doesn't seem to me that it's worth the whole new console.
Well, it's also adding HD and a lot more power. If you discount those things, then why bother having the PS3 instead of the PS2 (or hell, even the PS1); or the 360 instead of the XBox?
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It looks like it should just be an accessory that you can buy for the regular wii. It doesn't seem to me that it's worth the whole new console.Well, it's also adding HD and a lot more power. If you discount those things, then why bother having the PS3 instead of the PS2 (or hell, even the PS1); or the 360 instead of the XBox?
Since I'm considering getting a PS2 soon and couldn't care less about the PS3, I'd have to say, yeah.
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My Wii console has been used a total of 4 times whilst my Xbox gets used every night.
The problem with the Wii is it has no games I want to play on it. It's a toy whereas my 360 is a proper gaming experience.
No contest IMHO.
Some of the initial titles announced for the Wii U suggest this will be changing, though. Assassin's Creed, Battlefield 3 (hinted at, anyway), Darksiders 2, Ninja Gaiden 3, Tekken... not just kiddie stuff anymore.
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Some of the initial titles announced for the Wii U suggest this will be changing, though. Assassin's Creed, Battlefield 3 (hinted at, anyway), Darksiders 2, Ninja Gaiden 3, Tekken... not just kiddie stuff anymore.My Wii console has been used a total of 4 times whilst my Xbox gets used every night.
The problem with the Wii is it has no games I want to play on it. It's a toy whereas my 360 is a proper gaming experience.
No contest IMHO.
This is exciting, I was hoping the wii would get more RPGs since the console has a total of five worth owning.
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I'd imagine that Nintendo could come up with a lot of interesting ideas for it and honestly they're one of the few game companies out there making games that seem to actually be worth playing these days so it's all good.
The controller I thought was a little odd but it seems like they're pushing even more into the home accessory kind of thing and not specifically the gaming. It happens, Nintendo is a huge company and can afford to diversify more and make something everyone has a potential to use.
It was very interesting in the video with both the golf demo, the drawing demo and the Zelda inventory management set up. There is potential for some awesome things. I also liked the idea of the controller being the screen if the TV was in use by other people. HD I couldn't honestly care less about. Game play should always be the #1 priority for a game.
I'm sure 3rd party titles will be like they always are these days, a couple of really amazing games hiding in a pile of like 3-D Carnival games for grandmothers to accidentally buy their grand kids at the check out line of some store.
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While I've certainly bought more games for my PS3 in the past year or so than for my Wii, I find I probably actually PLAY the Wii games far more than the PS3 games. And enough of this "all Wii games are kiddy shovelware" crap. Is there some games like that on the Wii? Of course. There's also some games like that on the PS3, the 360, and every other console ever release. If you judge a console by it's BAD games, they're all crap. Judge it by it's good games.
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Fair point and yes you are correct, the PS3 and 360 have some real rubbish cluttering the shelves.
However, I look at the shelves for the 360 and I see Red Dead Redemption, Halo: Reach, Mass Effect 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum, LA Noire, Mortal Kombat, Modern Warfare etc. etc. Whereas I look at the Wii shelves and I see... Nothing. Not a thing.
Name a game that is as good as the ones I mentioned and on the Wii.
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Fair point and yes you are correct, the PS3 and 360 have some real rubbish cluttering the shelves.
However, I look at the shelves for the 360 and I see Red Dead Redemption, Halo: Reach, Mass Effect 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum, LA Noire, Mortal Kombat, Modern Warfare etc. etc. Whereas I look at the Wii shelves and I see... Nothing. Not a thing.
Name a game that is as good as the ones I mentioned and on the Wii.
Zelda: twilight princess, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Mad World, No More heroes, Goldeneye, Mario Galaxy, Smash Brothers.
Now am I upset that those games didn't come out on wii, yeah I'm bummed, but does that mean awesome console exclusive games haven't come out on the wii, no it doesn't
I got the Wii for the Metroid and Zelda franchises. Big Disappointment.
The last Zelda hasn't grabbed me, the last Metroid has a potential game breaking bug (near ice beam) , and the Metroid Prime Trilogy can NOT be played with a classic controller. Add to that some horrible graphics and you can see where I'm going.
On to my PS3....
Uncharted, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Resident Evil 5, Dead Space, Infamous, Read Dead Redemption, God of War, Metal Gear, etc. You can see there is much kickassery to be had.
I'll see what the new Wii Zelda/Metroid offerings look like before I make my last Nintendo mistake. I used to love Nintendo, Desna bless the SNES!
Could you guys go and make your own Wii bashing thread somewhere or focus on the topic at hand please? It's getting annoying.
We're trying to discuss the new stuff Nintendo unveiled today.
I was explaining my reasoning for not having faith in Nintendo. See my last paragraph for the possible Wii U purchase criteria.
You know, it's ok for others to have a negative opinion in a public forum.
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I saw the video for the new controller and thought it was neat but it's not original. Especially not for Nintendo. They did this before with the Cube and being able to use the GBA as a controller for some games. In fact some required it if you wanted to play multiplayer, i.e. Zelda Four Swords and FF Crystal Chronicles. I like the idea but I will wait to see what they actually develop with the new hardware before I pass any judgements.
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I saw the video for the new controller and thought it was neat but it's not original. Especially not for Nintendo. They did this before with the Cube and being able to use the GBA as a controller for some games. In fact some required it if you wanted to play multiplayer, i.e. Zelda Four Swords and FF Crystal Chronicles. I like the idea but I will wait to see what they actually develop with the new hardware before I pass any judgements.
Which doesn't inspire faith as I bought FFCC and then couldn't ever play it multiplayer because no-one else I knew had a friggen gameboy advance.
I guess I just don't think the wii has been out long enough nor had enough titles released to justify a new system yet, I also am dissapointed because I likely won't be upgrading which means I'll no longer be able to count myself as current with technology.
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I saw the video for the new controller and thought it was neat but it's not original. Especially not for Nintendo. They did this before with the Cube and being able to use the GBA as a controller for some games. In fact some required it if you wanted to play multiplayer, i.e. Zelda Four Swords and FF Crystal Chronicles. I like the idea but I will wait to see what they actually develop with the new hardware before I pass any judgements.Which doesn't inspire faith as I bought FFCC and then couldn't ever play it multiplayer because no-one else I knew had a friggen gameboy advance.
I guess I just don't think the wii has been out long enough nor had enough titles released to justify a new system yet, I also am dissapointed because I likely won't be upgrading which means I'll no longer be able to count myself as current with technology.
Well, it is an improvement since they're building the screen into the controller which will make it much easier. I like the concept and the potential implications of what they could do with the technology, but I just hope it actually gets some support. Unlike the lack of it when they did it with the Cube.
Something I do worry about though is the price. With a built in screen controllers are going to be costly.
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Well depending on how they go with the actual base system (if it's just another further upgrade of the Wii or a whole new piece of hardware) then the added cost of the controller will probably just push the system up to the normal like $300 range for a new system. Buying an extra one though would be ugly....though, are you meant to have more then one? They're still using the regular wii motes.
Wonder if the DS systems would work in place of something like this too. The new 3DS is supposed to be packing a lot of horsepower for a portable.
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Well depending on how they go with the actual base system (if it's just another further upgrade of the Wii or a whole new piece of hardware) then the added cost of the controller will probably just push the system up to the normal like $300 range for a new system. Buying an extra one though would be ugly....though, are you meant to have more then one? They're still using the regular wii motes.
Well, more than likely they'll probably develop a couple of games that use this new controller for multiplayer ala Four Swords. Where you could open your inventory on the GBA and not have to stop everyone else. This would require all players to have one of these screen controllers.
However, I look at the shelves for the 360 and I see Red Dead Redemption, Halo: Reach, Mass Effect 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum, LA Noire
Many of the games you mention are not on the Wii because it was a low-price system for casual gaming mostly.
From what I've heard, the Wii U will kick the PS3's arse. (I won't even mention the 360). But that's not really an achievement.
Mortal Kombat
Oh, you play the lesser version of MK? The one without Kratos?
Modern Warfare
People who play shooters with pads are animals. I refuse to recognise them as people with actual rights!
Shooters must be played with the correct control scheme, i.e. keyboard and mouse. Though I can make an exception for a different pointing device, like the Wiimote.
Plus, shooters are usually pure eye candy, and the current consoles cannot really compete in that area. Haven't been able to for some time now.
Name a game that is as good as the ones I mentioned and on the Wii.
Okami. Zelda. The Metroids. Mario Kart. The Red Steels. Resident Evil 4. (I also have RE5. For the PC. Because the PS3 is too weak for the game, and it's a shooter and I don't play shooters with pads.)
From what I've heard, they're moving away from the affordable price range into the full-price segment.
Maybe they know what they're doing, but the Wii had phenomenal sales despite inferior graphics power. And the 3DS, which costs as much as the Wii did when it was first released, apparently tanked. I'm not sure whether that's a good move or not.
Since I'm considering getting a PS2 soon and couldn't care less about the PS3, I'd have to say, yeah.It looks like it should just be an accessory that you can buy for the regular wii. It doesn't seem to me that it's worth the whole new console.Well, it's also adding HD and a lot more power. If you discount those things, then why bother having the PS3 instead of the PS2 (or hell, even the PS1); or the 360 instead of the XBox?
The problem with the Wii (and the PS2) and their SD graphics is that they look really ugly on my TV. You can count the pixels.
HD is really appreciated. As would be a decent PS2 emulation for PS3.
@KaeYoss
RE5 ran flawless on my PS3.
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However, I look at the shelves for the 360 and I see Red Dead Redemption, Halo: Reach, Mass Effect 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum, LA Noire, Mortal Kombat, Modern Warfare etc. etc. Whereas I look at the Wii shelves and I see... Nothing. Not a thing.
Funny...short of Batman: Arkham Asylum, I look at that list and see....Nothing. Not a g!*&!~n thing.
LoL @ Nintendo. Their game footage used PC and Xbox 360 video.
LoL @ Nintendo. Their game footage used PC and Xbox 360 video.
That wasn't their game footage. That was third party footage.
I'm puzzled by the cross compatibility between Smash Brothers between the 3DS and the Wii U...I don't even??
I love how a certain someone forgets Okami is a PS2 game.
Plus, he's a WASD neanderthal who can't work dual analogs for shooters.
Frankly, I'm holding out for the NGP, as my Wii has failed at its only purpose, which it should not ever have been considered for in the first place. MH3 should have been on PS3. And the Wii conking out while trying to play it? Weaker than weak.
PS: Red Steel sucked horribly.
PPS: But proper Kratos acknowledgement merits forgiveness.
They announced there will be an Assassin's Creed game for it
Well depending on how they go with the actual base system (if it's just another further upgrade of the Wii or a whole new piece of hardware) then the added cost of the controller will probably just push the system up to the normal like $300 range for a new system. Buying an extra one though would be ugly....though, are you meant to have more then one? They're still using the regular wii motes.
According to what Reggie told the G4 crew immediately after the presentation, it's an entirely new console, but will be compatible with all the Wii accessories. They are being very hush-hush about their price point so far. They're probably still crunching the numbers, figuring out how much the components will cost them once they start production.
And enough of this "all Wii games are kiddy shovelware" crap.
I don't think ALL Wii games are shovelware, however, I do think that the Wii has a lot more of it than PS3 or 360. And that's not Nintendo's fault. They can't control what 3rd party publishers develop for the system (or at least have a lot less control than they did in the NES days). There are good games for the Wii, but they are far outweighed by the number of party games that are essentially they same thing made by different companies.
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Wow I struck a nerve huh?
I apologise if my Nintendo animosity has upset anyone. Wasn't my intent. I was just trying to illustrate that the way the Wii has positioned itself means that it does not appeal to me in any way. It's only an opinion guys, be calm.
What I find interesting is that Nintendo are moving away from the casual market and are trying to compete directly with the XBox and PS3. I'm intrigued to find out whether this will work for them and how it will impact the other systems
I worked at a major national retailer of video games (HINT: it rhymes with FramePlop) during the peak of the Wii's success, and it was staggering to see how quickly that system sold. We could barely keep the things on the shelf, and the same was true of the Wii Fit accessory when it debuted (though I never understood the appeal of that particular accessory). I think a lot of that had to do with affordability compared to the two other big consoles; parents were more willing to shell out for a $250 Wii than an Xbox that was still in the $300-$350 range, and the prohibitively expensive PS3. Heck, that's the main reason I bought a Wii long before getting the other two consoles.
The Wii doesn't see much use in our home any more; I mostly use it for emulators and Netflix, and we keep it in the bedroom as a means of watching movies. There were a few great titles for the system, though - Super Mario Galaxy was fun, as was New SMB Wii (I really wish the Zelda franchise would get a similar, updated-old-school treatment like New SMB Wii because I haven't liked anything in that series since A Link to the Past). And Mario Kart is just friggin' incredible. I can play that game any time.
What was lacking was the fact that you couldn't do anything else with the console. The 360 and PS3 both allowed DVD playback, and the PS3 was capable of reasonably good web browsing (prior to the lockout of alternate OSes, anyway). By comparison, the Opera-based Wii web browser was terrible, and only with an unauthorized hack could you use it as a DVD player (and even then, not terribly reliably).
The Wii U, though, may not catch on as well if it's introduced at a markedly higher price point. People will probably be depending on trade-in values of their current Wii to offset the cost of buying the system, and those are almost sure to plummet the closer we get to the release of Wii U. And that controller with the built in screen just looks clunky to me - it reminds me of the original Xbox controllers that were roughly the size of Nerf footballs and darn near impossible to play.
At this point, there's nothing about the Wii U that makes me want to buy one at launch, but then again I've largely shifted away from console gaming in recent years. I loves me some side-scrolling Mario action, but the SMB Mii thing seems kinda overhyped. If that game were being made available as a 1st Gen Wii title with some noticeable upgrades in graphics and whatnot for Wii U users, it might be a different story. I'd also hesitate to buy a Wii U without knowing if all the money I spent on older titles in their shop are for naught; if those games can't be transferred over to the new console at no charge, that's a major drawback in my book - I mean, honestly, how many times am I expected to pay for SMB3 and Final Fantasy VI?
EDIT: And yes, the Wii has a much proportionately higher volume of shovelware titles compared to its competitors. I dealt with many angry customers who wanted to return nigh-unplayably bad games, and inventoried many copies of those terrible games that just didn't sell on secondary market no matter how low they were priced.
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EDIT: And yes, the Wii has a much proportionately higher volume of shovelware titles compared to its competitors.
So too did the PS2, the PS1, the SNES, the NES, and the Atari 2600. "Why?" you ask? Because they were the market leaders of their respective generations. If you're going to sloppily throw together a bit of shovelware in hopes of selling it to the masses, you put it on the console that's the market leader in order to sell as many copies as possible.
@KaeYoss
RE5 ran flawless on my PS3.
That was the wuss version with much less enemies :P (Actually true, in a way: RE5 on the PC had a Mercs game mode with three times as many enemies as usual. They added that for the PC only because the consoles couldn't handle it).
I'm puzzled by the cross compatibility between Smash Brothers between the 3DS and the Wii U...I don't even??
It's Smash Bros. If you play on the 3DS, you'll probably have a lower definition - but you have a smaller screen, too, so that's OK. You probably get less eye candy, too.
Beyond that, it will be the same game, in terms of game play. I can see those games working together on the two systems.
I love how a certain someone forgets Okami is a PS2 game.
I don't forget anything. Okami was PS2 first. Then they did a Wii version, and, frankly, Okami is perfectly suited for the Wii.
Plus, he's a WASD neanderthal who can't work dual analogs for shooters.
ESDF, amateur. If you think those little sticks are so nice, let's meet for a short deathmatch - I use my Keyboard and Mouse, you use your gamepad.
I'll declare you a winner if you manage to get a KDR better than 0.1.
I don't think you'll manage that.
PS: Red Steel sucked horribly.
Nonsense.
PPS: But proper Kratos acknowledgement merits forgiveness.
You will not SEE the end of this day!!!! }>
I don't think ALL Wii games are shovelware, however, I do think that the Wii has a lot more of it than PS3 or 360.
Talking about shovelware: Is there anything that would warrant a PS3 Move?
Whenever I see it in a shop somewhere, it's some silly mini-games with graphics that could as well come from the Wii.
Are there decent titles that use the technology?
Wii Fit accessory when it debuted (though I never understood the appeal of that particular accessory).
I guess it's mainly because people found out that with it, you can play a game where you go tobogganing down a hill. On a cow. :D
I think a lot of that had to do with affordability compared to the two other big consoles; parents were more willing to shell out for a $250 Wii than an Xbox that was still in the $300-$350 range, and the prohibitively expensive PS3. Heck, that's the main reason I bought a Wii long before getting the other two consoles.
I agree, that was probably a big part of it. Gaming consoles shouldn't cost the same as a small car :D
Although the price for the Wii didn't drop for a very long time, while the other consoles had price reductions again and again. Obviously they didn't need to lower the price to achieve the desired market saturation for a long, long time.
What was lacking was the fact that you couldn't do anything else with the console. The 360 and PS3 both allowed DVD playback
DVD playback? Boooring.
The PS3 does Blu-rays, though. One of the reasons I got one.
, and the PS3 was capable of reasonably good web browsing (prior to the lockout of alternate OSes, anyway). By comparison, the Opera-based Wii web browser was terrible
Actually, I like the Wii browsing more than the PS3 browsing. Would probably be different if I had a keyboard.
ESDF, amateur. If you think those little sticks are so nice, let's meet for a short deathmatch - I use my Keyboard and Mouse, you use your gamepad.
I'll declare you a winner if you manage to get a KDR better than 0.1.
Just curious, why do you use ESDF instead of WASD? Also, what is KDR?
I believe KDR is kill-death ratio.
Edit: KDR, not KDF...yeah, I think it's my bedtime. *lol*
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ESDF so you have more room around your fingers for hot keys I'd imagine. They make a special little keypad thing that's supposedly pretty awesome for gaming just to add more room for macros and the like. Then the gaming mice with the extra buttons all over them...yesh.
Back to the topic at hand of course.
Nintendo's information about the Wii U. Looks like it will be only one of those HD controllers, so you don't need to go buy 4 of them.
Ars Technica seems to be pretty impressed with it.
Just curious, why do you use ESDF instead of WASD?
Because when typing, the left index finger belongs on the F in standard positioning. The F has a little bump on it so you can find it by feeling it.
It's the standard position for typing. To me, it's only logical to keep the standard position (more or less - the fingers of left hand, instead of being on ASDF are usually on YSEF).
So it's easier and quicker to find the right positioning like that.
The point where this gives me a little extra space on the left of my hand is just icing on the cake.
Also, what is KDR?
As the others have said: Kill/Death Ratio. So if you finish the round with 17 kills and 10 deaths, you have a KDR of 1.7.
I think a decent player using a keyboard and decent mouse will totally destroy someone using a gamepad. Those analog sticks are no match for a mouse. The KM player will run circles around the GP player, shooting him before he can properly aim (especially since the GP player doesn't get to use auto-aim).
Usually, such contests don't occur - PC players won't play FPS with gamepads - but I think there was one game where console players could pay with PC players. A friend of mine told me about it. You could always readily identify the console players: They were on the bottom of the scoreboard.
They make a special little keypad thing that's supposedly pretty awesome for gaming just to add more room for macros and the like.
I don't use those. Neither do I use those special gaming keyboards with 20 extra macro buttons on top. They might be OK for WoW or something like that, but for a FPS, the buttons around my left hand on the keyboard are all I need.
Taking the hand off the moving keys to use the extra buttons isn't usually such a smart move, there, and there aren't that many things you need in an FPS.
Then the gaming mice with the extra buttons all over them...yesh.
Oh, I love my G700. It's got all the trimmings: mousewheel you can move right and left, too, a button in front of (or behind, depending on how you see it. I mean closer to the hand) the wheel, a switch button in front of the wheel to make it go in free-wheel mode or back, three buttons for your index finger, right next to the left mouse button (on the left side of it), and four easy-to-reach thumb-buttons.
It's cordless, but can be turned into a corded mouse (when you have trouble with the bluetooth - or need to recharge the battery), you can program the buttons (and do different presets and even store them in the mouse so that you can use them on a strange PC without installing the software. With the software, you can define which programmes use what presets), you can set buttons to be DPI switches if you need different sensitivities (like when you switch from a regular gun to a sniper rifle in a shooter).
So, in short, it's really nice, and I'd like Logitech to contact me soon to get my payment for this little ad ;-).
The fun part is that it's useful with non-game applications, too.
Back to the topic at hand of course.Nintendo's information about the Wii U. Looks like it will be only one of those HD controllers, so you don't need to go buy 4 of them.
Which is interesting. Or weird, depending on how you look at it. We'll have to see how the games utilise it. It does have potential.
Ars Technica seems to be pretty impressed with it.
The part where they talk about the battlefield immediately reminded me of the commander role in Battlefield games.
I'm interested in how far the backwards compatibility will go. I guess the gamecube support will be dropped - or they find a way to make it work without the loops you have to jump through when playing GC games on the Wii.
I'm still resistant to buying a proper memory card to play CG games. I had some cheap ones and they died. Lost my near-end-game in Metroid Prime (Hooray for Metroid Prime Trilogy) and 299/300 Mortal Kombat Konquest mode progress, so now I don't want to buy an unofficial one. And the official ones cost lots of money.
I have a GC version of Ocarina of Time, and several people so far have told me that that was the best Zelda ever, but I'm afraid to play it with the memory cards I have and a bit too cheap to pay the asking price for the genuine article.
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It looks like it can take a standard USB hard drive or thumb drive for data storage which is excellent given how cheap a USB external hard drive is. Heck, thumb drives are given away for free at a lot of places.
I kind of doubt that they'll continue legacy support for the Game Cube. Hopefully they continue to support the GC controller though, that thing is comfy. A USB adapter probably exists somewhere out there for it I'm sure if nothing else.
It looks like it can take a standard USB hard drive or thumb drive for data storage which is excellent given how cheap a USB external hard drive is. Heck, thumb drives are given away for free at a lot of places.
Now, if they also support NTFS, I'll be really happy with this.
I have a PS3 HD. My small 500GB external HD, which I reformatted to FAT32 so the PS3 would recognise it. Which is bad, since FAT32 won't accept files beyond 4gb.
If the Wii U gets NTFS support and decent video playback capabilities, it would be really great.
I kind of doubt that they'll continue legacy support for the Game Cube. Hopefully they continue to support the GC controller though, that thing is comfy. A USB adapter probably exists somewhere out there for it I'm sure if nothing else.
If only there was an adapter for memory cards, so you can use SD cards as memory cards to store games on.
They make a special little keypad thing that's supposedly pretty awesome for gaming just to add more room for macros and the like. Then the gaming mice with the extra buttons all over them...yesh.
I have the Logitech G13 keypad, and I love it. No fancy mouse, though, just a Logitech marble mouse trackball. I couldn't imagine how annoying it would be to have to make wrist movements constantly while playing.
And, yep, it's mostly for WoW.
No fancy mouse, though, just a Logitech marble mouse trackball. I couldn't imagine how annoying it would be to have to make wrist movements constantly while playing.
Why would you have to make wrist movements while playing?
Why would you have to make wrist movements while playing?
Unless they've drastically changed the operation of regular mice in the last few years, they always seemed to take an absurd amount of moving around.