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Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Anyone else find it ironic that the user selling their boon on Ebay went by the forum name "badcall"?

-Skeld

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This is why my original recommendation was that Paizo provide the clearinghouse for auctioning these things off and take a percentage.

Point 5 is meaningless to me - if that's really an issue, then trading boons, giving the free resurrection boon to someone else, etc - should be illegal too.

Qadira ***

Mike Mistele wrote:
nosig wrote:

Just a thought.

In old LG days (year 1 I think) I saw an "Cert" in the charity acution at the CON... go bid on it, if you win it you got some fancy thing (I forget what it was now). It was for a good cause (abused woman shelter I think), and it was not 20 certs, just one... I never did figure out how I felt about it. Not sure how I'd feel now...
But every time "Buying Boons" comes up I think about this.

They dropped the practice later - or at least I never saw them auction certs again.

They dropped it.

Charity-auction certs were a not-uncommon thing at conventions which featured RPGA play in the 1990s and early 2000s (especially before 2002, when the RPGA was still a paid-membership organization). I used to play Living Force (the RPGA's Star Wars campaign), and my character has a unique certed starfighter which came from such an auction (I wasn't the one who bought it at auction -- it was given to me by a friend).

About 5-8 years ago, the RPGA decided that, despite the fact that the charity auctions were for good causes, they didn't like the entire idea of selling off certs, and so, they stopped the practice entirely.

yeah, I never decided on how I felt about it. I'm still kind of conflicted over it even now. I won a Gift Ceritficate as a door prize at a CON... if I were to "sell" it to someone for, say gas money to get to the CON, would this be a bad thing? If I sold it for cash to spend on wine and women? or shoes for my kids? Boy, that's a hard call.

Andoran ****

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I sold a book that I won at a Con. I spent most of the money on booze and women. The rest I just wasted.

**** Venture-Captain, New Jersey aka Shivok

If someone won the boon he/she should be allowed to do whatever he/she wants to: trade, sell, auction.

Personally I find it distasteful that a player would sell a boon. It defintely seems WRONGFUL to sell or buy a boon,however it's not illegal. I have nothing against trading boons.

Maybe he got a race boon and doesnt want to play Dhampir. So he sells it for $15 to help buy a PFRPG hardcover, etc

So long as he doesnt sell photocopies of it. This is where PFS should step in and serialize the boons (i.e #1 of 17) it gives out. If your sending them as pdf you can still number them.

The fact that people are finding them on ebay means that THEY'RE LOOKING for them!

I still want the official PFS policy to be to strongly discourage the practice of selling boons. But I think the PFS folks have better things to the BOON POLICE.

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Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Shivok wrote:
But I think the PFS folks have better things to the BOON POLICE.

Miracle Max: "Go away, or I'll call the Boon Squad."

Fezzik: "I'm on the Boon Squad."
Miracle Max: "You *are* the Boon Squad."

Shadow Lodge **

I'm still trying to get over the fact that he had 36 for sale. I mean selling one, whatever but 36? How do you even collect 36, wait until the guy running the table is looking away and grab the stack?

Not trying to accuse the guy selling these of anything but.... 36? That's 4 boons per game on a typical 9 game weekend.

Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Illinois—Decatur aka TwilightKnight

Perhaps he was there with his family (wife+2 kids?) and they all received boons. The average player could earn up to 6 prizes with a couple of bonuses from the special if he was at the right table. Or maybe people just gave him their extras. I dunno, but he could not have "earned" 36 for himself.

*****

The boons were kept under close guard during the convention, I'm assuming that the players that were there together pooled their boons ... but that's neither here nor there at this point.

It happened.. it was stopped ... now to find out from Paizo where we go from here

Cheliax *

Dave the Barbarian wrote:
I sold a book that I won at a Con. I spent most of the money on booze and women. The rest I just wasted.

Spoken like a true Pathfinder.

Osirion ***

Todd Morgan wrote:

With that in mind perhaps next time you'll look into it more before passing judgement and potentially dragging someone's name through the mud :P

I'll consider this an experience to learn from.

Shadow Lodge **

Oops, thought I deleted that post. After I posted I re-read the first post and realized it wasn't nearly that many.

Fluffy — I wasn't trying to accuse anyone of anything goofy, the number just seemed high even for a family, but after re-reading I realized it was my reading comprehension ;)

Osirion

Skeld wrote:
Anyone else find it ironic that the user selling their boon on Ebay went by the forum name "badcall"?

I just wanna say that while it's clear that we wanted this to stop, it would've been perfectly easy for the gent to not take up the mantle of proper conduct and good form, and to a.) leave it up for sale, b.) ignore us all, or c.) not fess up to it.

I'm fairly certain that "badcall" was a forum alias that he made specifically for this occasion to prevent any name-dragging-in-the-mud. I can't say that I blame him.
Another silver lining to this is that we know that our fellow Pathfinder is someone who is active on the boards (or at least reads them with regularity). It wasn't some random person who played once and sold the boons. He's a member of our community, and respects our opinions. It seems one little frown-y face was enough to do the trick.
So, "+1", indeed. (Literally, I gave the post a +1 fav.)

Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Illinois—Decatur aka TwilightKnight

I hold no animosity towards the player in question and I hope everyone else takes this event for what its worth. It appears, to me at least, that he was unaware that this would go viral, and serves as a lesson to the community.

Mike has chimed in and the majority seem to agree that selling free boons for personal gain is distasteful. While it may not be illegal per the written RAW, it is clear that it is based on RAI. Moving forward, until such time as something appears in print, we can be good stewards of the game and notify anyone who does this that it is wrong. Think of it like a neighborhood watch program. We already "police" each other through audits and gameplay Q&A. No harm done.

Good Gaming!!!

Qadira ***

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yeah, what Bob said.

"Custom can be stronger than Law." - some greek guy, long ago.

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Mike Mistele wrote:
Shivok wrote:
But I think the PFS folks have better things to the BOON POLICE.

Miracle Max: "Go away, or I'll call the Boon Squad."

Fezzik: "I'm on the Boon Squad."
Miracle Max: "You *are* the Boon Squad."

Nice reference. :)

Taldor **

I think if they want to inspire more gamers they should allow people who run them to give them out as well.

Whether or not someone has a copy or buys one, what does it matter? People are playing the game and the nerd rage does nothing. The designers want to give incentives for players to go to conventions, which in realty is not the bread and butter of the game. They get exposure but almost all the players at conventions are players already. It is the home gamer introducing the game to new players where the growth is. There are a lot of players who would like a non-standard race who are tired of the same old crap and are unable to spend a week at a convention hoping to roll one. The economy is doing worse and money is getting harder to come by.

Rubia wrote:

Just to play Devil's Advocate. . . .

What exactly is the thing that "doesn't sit well" with selling boons that a person got for use in PFS?

1) Is it the issue that Paizo created something for free that someone else is making money on?

2) Is it the "impurity in allowing the pocketbook" to affect PFS play?

3) Is it that the boon should be TIED TO YOU AND ONLY YOU when you get it?

4) Is it because of a fear that since boons can be easily duplicated (and aren't tracked) that they will be photocopied and distributed?

5) Is it because the person who buys it isn't the person we want to reward?

Perhaps answering why can explain how to address the issue, if one exists.

Rubia

Qadira ***

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??? this thread again.

I thought it was dead and buried.

*** RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

My 2 C-bills (Which I’m sure no one will like.)

Spoiler:

So, someone’s selling a boon they won on e-bay. So it’s been done before. So… what?

Boons are, ostensibly, a reward. Whether it be for hard work (GMing and organizing an event) or just for showing up and being lucky (player boons), you’re rewarded. They’re also commerce at a basic level. “If you come to Event X, you get a shot at boon Y. If you run Event X, you get boon Z.” They’re also bartered as well, and no one objects. “You have two tieflings? I’ll trade you a tengu for one.” The only difference between earning a boon, trading for a boon, and buying a boon on e-bay is the method and means of transaction.

(Aside on my own crusade to open up the races. Using the ‘boon selling’ as an argument for opening up the races won’t work, since it’s the rarity of a boon that has value. If you open up the races, it will just make other ‘character portable’ boons have value.)

Should steps be taken to prevent this from happening? No. Assuming from the seller’s comments that the boons are/were legit, they’re his. He can do whatever he wants to. If he traded them for boons he wanted more, he’d be doing the same thing as selling them for cash. “Corner Cases make for bad law” may be a cliché, but it’s also true. By taking steps to prevent his badwrongfun, you may also hamper legitimate trading of boons. If I had an aasimar boon, for example, I might want to give it to my niece, or as a reward for an event I run. If you make them non-transferable, you impede my ability to do that as well. (And I don’t think anyone would object to me giving a boon I own to someone)

Now clearly Mike can do whatever he wants, it’s good to be the King. But really, selling a boon someone earned (spending time, money or both) to do so is no worse than selling other ‘con swag’ on e-bay.


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I suppose I'll toss in my .02$ as well.

I am one of those people that would buy a boon. (at least i would have before seeing Mike say please don't)

I buy lot of things for this game.

I want a trait for a character, I buy the book that it is in.

I want a Re-Roll, I buy a shirt.

I want to play a Tengu, I would have been happy to shell out 20$ for one. ((Note, I do NOT want to play a Tengu))

All I am saying is personally I would have been fine with it. Would I rather Paizo simply sold them? Well yeah.

Anyway, having said that I will not be buying any boons as my GM (Mike B) asked me not to.

I will simply hope for a race or 2 at gen-con.

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Related: my birthday's coming up, so if anyone picks up a spare race boon at GenCon.... ;)

Qadira ***

Jiggy wrote:
Related: my birthday's coming up, so if anyone picks up a spare race boon at GenCon.... ;)

sure Jiggy!

DOH!:
...wait, I'm not going to GenCon. Ah well, maybe someone else with think of you.

**** Venture-Captain, New Jersey aka Shivok

Jiggy wrote:
Related: my birthday's coming up, so if anyone picks up a spare race boon at GenCon.... ;)

I've got 5 race boons from conventions. None currently in use at he moment since the one I really want I dont have. sniff sniff...The Holy of Holies will have to wait a little longer...

Although I'm waiting impatiently for Season 4 to roll by. I've got a divination spell active that tells me something's afoot. But you know these divination spells... they're not as accurate as you'd like them to be. ;)

BTW What race are you looking for?

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Shivok wrote:
BTW What race are you looking for?

I don't even know what all's available. I just wanna be one of the cool kids. ;)

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

Matthew Morris wrote:

My 2 C-bills (Which I’m sure no one will like.)

** spoiler omitted **
(edit: cleaned up some formatting)

No worries. I'm not going to make a corner case rule for this. I just expressed my opinion. I didn't lay down the law on the topic.

*** RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Michael Brock wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

My 2 C-bills (Which I’m sure no one will like.)

** spoiler omitted **
(edit: cleaned up some formatting)
No worries. I'm not going to make a corner case rule for this. I just expressed my opinion. I didn't lay down the law on the topic.

Oh, I'm not worried. I'm just saying all of us can just kvetch. You actually can do something. (Edit: hit send to fast) If you chose to do something. Thus "It's good to be King."

Grand Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Illinois—Decatur aka TwilightKnight

This is another one of those subjects where strong opinions exist on both sides and neither is likely to change. PFS leadership has asked that we not sell chronicle boons. I happen to agree with that position. If players started to ignore that request and sell them anyway, there are those of us who would likely take action, not against the individual per say, but against the action. Maybe someone offers multiple copies of the same chronicle for a penny to undercut the original seller. Or perhaps there is an increase in the release of the boons to flood the "market" to drive the price down. Or maybe, Mike just decides that selling boons shows a level of unappreciation for the reward and ceases the program. In any case, *we* have been asked not to sell special chronicles. Please, respect that request.

Lantern Lodge

Jiggy wrote:
Shivok wrote:
BTW What race are you looking for?

Teifling

Damphire(sp)

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Uh... I didn't say what you quoted me as saying...

Andoran *****

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Cards, Companion, Maps, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Jiggy wrote:
Dragnmoon is the best GM ever!!!

Thanks Jiggy! ;)

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Dragnmoon wrote:
Hey Jiggy, I'm sending you all my race boons, including any I get at GenCon this year! Happy Birthday!

Thanks Dragnmoon! ;)

Andoran *****

Seth Gipson wrote:
Dragnmoon and Jiggy have way too much time on their hands.

Yes, yes they do. :P

Osirion ***

Seth Gipson wrote:
Seth Gipson wrote:
Dragnmoon and Jiggy have way too much time on their hands.
I think there may be a lot of that going around. :P

don't they make medication for that now?

Grand Lodge ****

Since everyone else is beating this dead horse...

If you sell boons, you have no class. If you buy boons, see previous statement.

That's, of course, my opinion. A combative and rude opinion at that. :]

Qadira ***

no need to make this "against the LAW". Just make it distasteful.

as I said earlier....

"Custom can be stronger than Law." - some greek guy, long ago.

treat it like someone yelling at their dog. Guy, don't do that around me. If you do, I wont play with you, or judge for you, or even sit near you in a room.

"Nice people don't do that"

"Friends don't let friends..." sell Boons.

Andoran *****

The Toaster wrote:
Hey, buddy, come stick a fork in me.

No thanks. I'm good. ;)

Osirion ***

Seth Gipson wrote:
The Toaster wrote:
Hey, buddy, come stick a fork in me.
No thanks. I'm good. ;)

so I've been told... I'm waiting to do the detect good myself though...

;)

Qadira ***** RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Just extending the question a bit: I've received physical loot at conventions, like sourcebooks or (heavens help me) a novel or two.

Do y'all feel the same: that selling those -- or maybe trading them for other books I don't own -- is crass?

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

I think it "feels" different when it's an item that's normally available for purchase and you just happened to get it for free, as opposed to something that's supposed to only always be free.

Grand Lodge ****

Chris Mortika wrote:

Just extending the question a bit: I've received physical loot at conventions, like sourcebooks or (heavens help me) a novel or two.

Do y'all feel the same: that selling those -- or maybe trading them for other books I don't own -- is crass?

Go ahead and sell all the apples you want, just don't sell any oranges around me. ;)

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

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MY CABBA- er, ORANGES!

Andoran *****

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Cards, Companion, Maps, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Jiggy wrote:
I think it "feels" different when it's an item that's normally available for purchase and you just happened to get it for free, as opposed to something that's supposed to only always be free.

I agree with Jiggyiggy

That said, every time I win a Book at a Convention *Oddly I always do* I always give it back for another name to be drawn instead, or just hand it to the person behind me.

As an example they had a 3 drawings for 3 prizes at a convention I went to this year...

The First was for We Be Goblins and my number was drawn, I have it but I know a friend of mine wanted it so I kept it to give to her.

The second was all 6 parts plus the players guide for Legacy of Fire AP, My Number was drawn again, but since I owned it I told them to pick a new number.

The Third prize was Ultimate Combat, and once again my number was drawn, to everyone's amusement, especially since I said I would most likely win all 3 after getting We Be Goblins, Well I own that to, so I told them to draw a Number.

Grand Lodge ** RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Dragnmoon wrote:
Jiggyiggy

That's a new one...

Lantern Lodge

Jiggy wrote:
Uh... I didn't say what you quoted me as saying...

Sorry

(there is a reason it's illegal to text and Drive >.<)

still...
I can't afford to go to the 'big' cons... and as much as my local VC is awsome with the boons he is allowed to offer for local events...they are little more than what is offered to the players anyway

in my experience, all the posturing abd talk of "high road" ethics doesnt change the hard facts that it still comes down to the advantage of money

so frankly, if I see a "boon" for 'sale'
I will buy one

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If there were truly a decent sellers market for viable boons I think we'd be seeing a lot more counterfeits floating around out there. If RPGs are a niche market, and Pathfinder is a niche game within that market, and PFS players are yet another niche within said niches then that means we can narrow down those who would be willing to buy a boon on eBay to a guy named Dalton from Scotsdale, Arizona.

But seriously...

RPGs are not competitive per se; so as long as someone at my table playing with a racial boom isn't interfering with my fun, then I could care whether they earned it or paid for it.

Silver Crusade **

Desh Silversun wrote:

in my experience, all the posturing abd talk of "high road" ethics doesnt change the hard facts that it still comes down to the advantage of money

Oh, trust me. It ain't money that makes the difference. I am the perpetually broke college student, who waits until christmas to get new books. But, I went to a con and earned a boon on less than $50. Carpool in, GM to earn your pass, bring your own food from home. It makes it doable. And if you want to see your area get some boons, try to set up an event, talk to Mike Brock! If you can get just 14 other people interested in a weekend event, you could get boon support (3 tables by 1 slot on friday, 3 tables by 2 slots on saturday, 3 tables by 2 slots on sunday). That's 15 tables over the course of a weekend, which is what you need for boon support.

Qadira *

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I am far more bothered by this auction

Sczarni *** Venture-Lieutenant, Connecticut—Manchester aka Cpt_kirstov

If they are a store, then I think they can be reported to free rpg day

Cheliax ***** Owner - Enchanted Grounds

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graywulfe wrote:
I am far more bothered by this auction

At first I was offended that a store who participated in Free RPG Day would do that. Then I thought, isn't this item being sold right here the same kind of sale?

The stores who participated in "Free" RPG Day paid $120 per unit for the privilege. If they are selling leftovers, let them.

Now, if they deliberately held back some of the product by not putting it out during the agreed upon day, that's another matter. How does that get proven, though? If they did do that, karma will get them.

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Alma

I saw a ton of FRPGD products on ebay the day of the event. (I was hoping to find a full set of the q-workshop dice. I really like my d20 but would love the full set)

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