I was wondering if anyone had compiled lists for the Summom Monster & Summon Nature's Ally spells to included all the possible new entires from Bestiary 2 & 3.
Are there new ones in B2/B3?
I would be surprised if d20pfsrd didn't update it, but so far it's just additional monsters from adventure paths.
There are no new monsters added to the lists from the 2nd and 3rd bestiary.
Bestiary 2 did add the resolute and entropic templates as possibilities to apply to summoned creatures, but that's it.
I have a document in the homebrew section with augment summoning applied. I think another poster made one also, but I dont know if he has the augmented stats or not.
Go here and look at the last 4 posts.
OK, I see what you are saying no. The devs are not adding any monsters to the list from any books because they feel like the summon monster list is strong enough. The only exception are new elementals since the summon monster list allows you to summon elementals.
My advice is to find monsters in a CR range equal to what that specific summon monster has, and compare them. I would not just use CR though. I would look at the actual statblock in case the monster has a an ability that can be abused.
edit:I see you already suggested part of my idea.
I would be very careful adding monsters to the summon lists. Already, a conjurer is the most versatile caster, and as you add monsters with new spell-like abilities, supernatural abilities and different resistances/immunities, you diminish the usefulness of all other schools of magic. You risk escalating power creep, and summoning creatures from off those lists are really the purview of Lesser Planar Ally, Planar Ally and Gate spells, thus you diminish the high-level advantage that a cleric is supposed to have as far as summoning is concerned.
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Summoners are pretty awesome. If a player wanted a bestiary 2 or 3 monster I would remove one from bestiary 1. I would not remove the weakest one either.
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It seems that someone should come up with an "Alternate Summoning" list that says something along the lines of "Remove any number of monsters from the lists of monsters that you can summon with Summon Monster or Summon Nature's Ally spells and replace them with an equal number of monters of the same levels from the Alternate Summoning table. Then the folks at Paizo would only need to update the table with appropriate monsters whenever they come up with one or more that would not cause any problems.
That would still cause the list to become more versatile though since you could cherry pick monsters, and they don't want that either.
Now if they had a book like unearthed arcana with optional rules, that were officially unofficial that might work.
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Actually, it would be easier for the devs to just add new spells with new lists and to achieve balance based on the existence of both types of spells, instead of substituting. Keep an eye out for Summon Weird Monster I in paizo's version of the Spell Compendium.
Keep an eye out for Summon Weird Monster I in paizo's version of the Spell Compendium.
Froghemoth: Slurp! Blargh! Yum-yum! Blerp!*
*you summoned, master?
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Keep an eye out for Summon Weird Monster I in paizo's version of the Spell Compendium.Froghemoth: Slurp! Blargh! Yum-yum! Blerp!*
*you summoned, master?
Yikes!
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