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a character has been introduced to Pathfinder Society play that I have to question about...

Female Chaotic Good Human Fighter (Weapon Master), Level 1, Init +4, HP 12/12, Speed 20 ft
AC 16, Touch 12, Flat-footed 14, Fort +4, Ref +2, Will +0, Base Attack Bonus 1
Horse Chopper (Brace / Trip) +5 (1d12+6, x2)
Dagger (spring loaded Wrist Sheath) (Can draw this as a swift action) +5 (+3 if Thrown) (1d4+4, 19-20/x2)
Armored Coat (+4 Armor, +2 Dex)
Abilities Str 18, Dex 14, Con 14, Int 13, Wis 11, Cha 7
Condition None
CMB: +5, CMD: 17, FCMD: 15

My question is that they claim their character a human female AGE 10 is legal with the stats that they put on their character sheet... It was my understanding that society sanction play had to fall under the minimum age for class (for a human fighter age 15)
I could understand allowing a starting age younger then that if the young template was applied which would :
Young Template per :http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/additionalMonsters/monsterAdvancement.h tml#young-creature-(cr--1)

Quick Rules: +2 on all Dex-based rolls, –2 on all other rolls, –2 hp/HD.

Rebuild Rules: Size decrease by one category; AC reduce natural armor by –2 (minimum +0); Attacks decrease damage dice by 1 step; Ability Scores –4 Strength, –4 Con, +4 size bonus to Dex.

where do the rules stand on this one?


PFS follows RAW unless otherwise stated. If there is a rule allowing her to bypass the minimum age it is not in my copy of the PFS rules. Tell her to get you a rules quotes or use the proper age.

PFS also does not allow templates to be added to characters.

The minimum age for a fighter(human) is 15+1d6, not 15, so she has to at least be 16,


That's the argument that I raised and have yet to get a response from the sanctioned coordinator ... they wanted to start being rule lawyers but i don't think they know the rules...


Unless someone can give you a rules quotes her age should be 15+1d6. It was nice of you to at least check for her though.

Scarab Sages

I am in agreement with Concerro. Any Pathfinder human (not just Pathfinder Society) has to be a minimum of 16.

Grand Lodge *

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Who in their right mind would join a society as Pathfinders at the age of 10. Even more important what Venture captain believe such a person is ready for what ever lies out there.

Rule wise its as stated above, Role play wise its seem to me to be just insane!

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

Not to mention a 10 year old with a 18 STR.


I was thinking the same thing. A 10 year old adventurer is hard to imagine. One with an 18 str is hard to imagine. By hard I mean nigh impossible, and to get both in one package, wishful thinking at best.


Thank you every one for the input ... I will be linking my agreement to this thread as well as the prd rules


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wow just got a response from the coordinator:

Kind of an odd choice for a character, but technically legal. On page five of the Guide, under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice."

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

I'd take the kid and drop it off at the babysitter, or orphanage if they have no parents.

Scarab Sages

Wow, there it is, the guide does state that. I stand corrected.


Well once I pointed out that the PS is under RAW rules he agreed that it was taking advantage of the rule as the in the CORE rules it stats MIN age, and felt that the "intent was for older aged characters"


some answers from James Jacobs

And

some ideas for child Characters


That is an insanely dangerous ten-year-old.


DDrake wrote:

wow just got a response from the coordinator:

Kind of an odd choice for a character, but technically legal. On page five of the Guide, under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice."

If I ever play in PFS, I simply must play a three year old Wizard with an 18 Intelligence, who is apparently the freshly re-incarnated remnant of a much more powerful wizard whose attempt to cheat death went horribly wrong. I will base him off of Baby Herman from Rodger Rabit, cigar and all. :P


Ashiel wrote:
DDrake wrote:

wow just got a response from the coordinator:

Kind of an odd choice for a character, but technically legal. On page five of the Guide, under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice."

If I ever play in PFS, I simply must play a three year old Wizard with an 18 Intelligence, who is apparently the freshly re-incarnated remnant of a much more powerful wizard whose attempt to cheat death went horribly wrong. I will base him off of Baby Herman from Rodger Rabit, cigar and all. :P

I'd go with a prematurely delivered baby adventuring from the day of his birth! It's as legal as playing anything else that's less than the min starting age.


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Newborn barbarian, I will name you, Conan.


HappyDaze wrote:
Ashiel wrote:
DDrake wrote:

wow just got a response from the coordinator:

Kind of an odd choice for a character, but technically legal. On page five of the Guide, under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice."

If I ever play in PFS, I simply must play a three year old Wizard with an 18 Intelligence, who is apparently the freshly re-incarnated remnant of a much more powerful wizard whose attempt to cheat death went horribly wrong. I will base him off of Baby Herman from Rodger Rabit, cigar and all. :P
I'd go with a prematurely delivered baby adventuring from the day of his birth! It's as legal as playing anything else that's less than the min starting age.

I'd go for a newborn with a 20 Strength (after +2 racial). A baby that only weighs 4 lbs. but can lift 400 would be terrifying!

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Nah gotta make it a summoner so it looks all cute and cuddly then Rawr its teddy bear Eidolon tears you apart limb from limb.


Arikiel wrote:
HappyDaze wrote:
Ashiel wrote:
DDrake wrote:

wow just got a response from the coordinator:

Kind of an odd choice for a character, but technically legal. On page five of the Guide, under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice."

If I ever play in PFS, I simply must play a three year old Wizard with an 18 Intelligence, who is apparently the freshly re-incarnated remnant of a much more powerful wizard whose attempt to cheat death went horribly wrong. I will base him off of Baby Herman from Rodger Rabit, cigar and all. :P
I'd go with a prematurely delivered baby adventuring from the day of his birth! It's as legal as playing anything else that's less than the min starting age.
I'd go for a newborn with a 20 Strength (after +2 racial). A baby that only weighs 4 lbs. but can lift 400 would be terrifying!

Nope, sorry. Just because you can be any age you want in PFS doesn't mean you can ignore your racial height and weight rules. Minimum height (weight) for a human in Pathfinder is 5 ft. 0 in. (130 lbs.) for a male or 4 ft. 7 in. (95 lbs.) for a female. You could opt for half-Elf to still get the +2 racial and be roughly the same size or go Half-Orc and be REALLY big for a newborn.


Talonhawke wrote:
Nah gotta make it a summoner so it looks all cute and cuddly then Rawr its teddy bear Eidolon tears you apart limb from limb.

That reminds me of the episode of the Teen Titans cartoon where Raven is baby siting some super powered kids. ^_^

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@ Happy Daze i would think that you would also have to follow the Min age rules but we see how that is going.


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Power Pack!


Super Fetus?


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I think that rule in the PFS is more for the other way around. Someone wants to play and aged wizard, or a grizly war veteran, but doesn't want to take the age penalties. Or in case of the wizard you don't want to give it to him, but at the same time you don't want to tell them "cool concept but no, now make a teenager".

I don't think it's actually meant to get below the minimum age, which is called minimum for a reason.


HappyDaze wrote:
Arikiel wrote:


I'd go for a newborn with a 20 Strength (after +2 racial). A baby that only weighs 4 lbs. but can lift 400 would be terrifying!
Nope, sorry. Just because you can be any age you want in PFS doesn't mean you can ignore your racial height and weight rules. Minimum height (weight) for a human in Pathfinder is 5 ft. 0 in. (130 lbs.) for a male or 4 ft. 7 in. (95 lbs.) for a female. You could opt for half-Elf to still get the +2 racial and be roughly the same size or go Half-Orc and be REALLY big for a newborn.

Oh my mistake. I'll just play a 5ft 130 lb newborn then..... I feel sorry for his mother.....

PS. 130 lb minimum? When I was in my early twenties I was 5'10 and 120 lbs. Are they saying I couldn't have existed? :(


That 130lb limit is for males not females.


Arikiel wrote:


PS. 130 lb minimum? When I was in my early twenties I was 5'10 and 120 lbs. Are they saying I couldn't have existed? :(

you can exist as well as any of the other figmants of my imagination that hang out around here ;)


I was 5'10" 120lbs. once, it was horrible.


If it's that kind of game—you know, in the wake of a massive disaster, or something of the sort? Still having her milk teeth is not necessarily going to protect your character from having to play hero for real.

However, while child soldiers may not be unlikely in desperate times and situations, child supersoldiers strain my suspension of disbelief. And an 18 Strength on a ten-year-old is "child supersoldier" territory.

Liberty's Edge *

Arikiel wrote:
HappyDaze wrote:
Ashiel wrote:
DDrake wrote:

wow just got a response from the coordinator:

Kind of an odd choice for a character, but technically legal. On page five of the Guide, under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice."

If I ever play in PFS, I simply must play a three year old Wizard with an 18 Intelligence, who is apparently the freshly re-incarnated remnant of a much more powerful wizard whose attempt to cheat death went horribly wrong. I will base him off of Baby Herman from Rodger Rabit, cigar and all. :P
I'd go with a prematurely delivered baby adventuring from the day of his birth! It's as legal as playing anything else that's less than the min starting age.
I'd go for a newborn with a 20 Strength (after +2 racial). A baby that only weighs 4 lbs. but can lift 400 would be terrifying!

BAM! BAM! BAM, BAM, BAM!!!

Grand Lodge ***

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bigkilla wrote:
Not to mention a 10 year old with a 18 STR.

In Living Greyhawk we had 80 year olds with that kind of strength since the campaign did not allow aging modifiers.

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

The minimum age rule from the Core Rulebook still aplplies.

Dark Archive

Michael Brock wrote:
The minimum age rule from the Core Rulebook still applies.

So, will this be added to page five of the Guide under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice." in the next iteration of the PFS Guide to Organized Play to prevent the superstrong 10-yr-olds?

Shadow Lodge

I realize that ATM the only way to play a non-core race is a boon, but those races do not have minimumm starting ages listed anywhere, AFAIK

Shadow Lodge *** Star Voter 2013, Dedicated Voter 2014

I'm okay with the whole minimum age thing for PFS, but I don't mind it for home games and lets face it, some classes break credulity more than others. A fighter you go, yea right. A summoner with an imaginary friend or a sorcerer based off Illyana Rastputin (abyssal bloodline) are pretty interesting.

I once thought of writing a AP set at what I called interdimensional Hogwarts.

Grand Lodge ***

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Ian Eastmond wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
The minimum age rule from the Core Rulebook still applies.
So, will this be added to page five of the Guide under "Abilities": "Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice." in the next iteration of the PFS Guide to Organized Play to prevent the superstrong 10-yr-olds?

Given that the minimum age for any race/class combo is well above 10 years old, it's kind of taken care of already.

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

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Added to FAQ

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Varth some answers you just have to dig. So what if you wanted to play a 10 year old, the answer Kobold.

So in fact you can and probably will play a 5 year old in society, during We Be Goblin's, playing a Goblin.

Scarab Sages

So ... with the new FAQ addition, it also includes a line about maximum starting ages as well. How does this apply to someone with a trait like Racial Heritage if they select Dwarven Heritage (or Elven)? Do they go off a dwarven age or their base race's age? Or Breath of Experience which reads that they're younger than average?

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

They go off their base race's age.

Also, I don't believe you can take Breadth of Experience unless you are A dwarf, elf or gnome. I will get further clarification tomorrow from the rules team. The way it is written, is that you have to be one of those three races as well as 100+ years old. It has two prerequisites - a specific race and a certain age.

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Michael Brock wrote:

They go off their base race's age.

Also, I don't believe you can take Breadth of Experience unless you are A dwarf, elf or gnome. I will get further clarification tomorrow from the rules team. The way it is written, is that you have to be one of those three races as well as 100+ years old. It has two prerequisites - a specific race and a certain age.

You might want to check on the Warrior of Old trait, then, too, and whether, or even IF, it will work with non-elves using the Adopted trait.

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

Will do. I will check with the rules team tomorrow.

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

As promised, I checked with the Rules team today.

First, Breadth of Experience does have two pre-requisites -- race and age. If a human, halfling or half-orc take the Racial Heritage trait, and they meet the 100+ years old, they would be able to take the Breadth of Experience feat.

Second, if you take the Adopted Trait to take then Warrior of Old Trait, then sure it is legal. If you want to burn two traits to get a +2 to Initiative, then go for it. However, there are better ways to raise your initiative without burning two traits to do it.

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Michael Brock wrote:


Second, if you take the Adopted Trait to take then Warrior of Old Trait, then sure it is legal. If you want to burn two traits to get a +2 to Initiative, then go for it. However, there are better ways to raise your initiative without burning two traits to do it.

Not quite, bossman. Adopted basically gives you a third trait that must be a race trait from a race not your own. And I have no problem with having multiple sources for that +2 init, or else we'd have a lot of angsty pathfinders who got picked on as kids :D

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

I stand corrected. Sure, if someone wants to use Adopted Trait to take Warrior of Old or Elven Reflexes, and then a second trait for whatever, I am certainly not going to micro-manage them. It isn't breaking the game.


Mike, since you are answering things right now, could you pop over into the thread about the Adopted trait and the gnome trait Etymologist and clarify something? The gnome book, like the other race books, lists the traits in the four basic trait categories, but also calls them racial traits. Does this make the traits that are not in the Social category takeable with Adopted?

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Link?


Mike,

I guess you do not have to worry about it. It has been moved to the regular forums and the person who posted it apparently edited out the part of it being for a PFS character. *shrug*

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