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Int and Wis to damage


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I was thinking over the monk and the deulists and the complaints that they do not do enough damage. but adding dex to str would be suposidly over powered as would wis to hit and damge would amke the monk and deulist a one stat class. so how about these feats to that should make since thematically and work mechanically (sorry for the non formal write up)

Insightful Strike.
type general (figther bonus combat)
requirements int 13 bab +1
You may replace str with int when adding damage on a melee finesse weapon. This damage is ignored by creatues immune to crits and sneak attacks. (i think this has been done before but ive not seen it in feat form just class ability form)

Zen Strike
General combat
Req wis 13 bab +1
same as above except wisdom but may add imp unarmed as a preq instead of bab +1


Insightful Strike seems fine to me,especially since it's precision damage.You might want to throw in Weapon Focus as a prerequisite,however.

Zen Strike,I think,can become easily overpowered by having a monk with no MAD at all-they can get Wis to AC,attack,Will saves,and damage.*Shrug*

EDIT:The way they get Wisdom to attack is a feat called Guided Hand from Ultimate Combat.


hmm guided hand is kind of very specific though with a cleric levels. id rather have my version and let them keep dex to hit and drop the wisdom to hit feat.


I wouldnt put out the option to use another ability score for damage right off the bat. Perpahs making the BAB requirement +5 (so those that focus on that one stat: Wizards, Monks, Clerics; dont just dip into fighter to get it). Also in a sense I think these should also have Weapon Finnese as a prerequisite, they would seem to fit the theme better.


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vidmaster wrote:

I was thinking over the monk and the deulists and the complaints that they do not do enough damage. but adding dex to str would be suposidly over powered as would wis to hit and damge would amke the monk and deulist a one stat class. so how about these feats to that should make since thematically and work mechanically (sorry for the non formal write up)

Insightful Strike.
type general (figther bonus combat)
requirements int 13 bab +1
You may replace str with int when adding damage on a melee finesse weapon. This damage is ignored by creatues immune to crits and sneak attacks. (i think this has been done before but ive not seen it in feat form just class ability form)

Yep, this one has been gone over many, many times. I would make the prerequisites for the feat Weapon Finesse and Combat Expertise myself, and have it stack with Strength bonus damage (strength is strength, this is precision). I'd also specify that this works with finesse weapons only, and maybe add a high BAB requirement that helps preclude wizards getting uber-damage out of it.

vidmaster wrote:

Zen Strike

General combat
Req wis 13 bab +1
same as above except wisdom but may add imp unarmed as a preq instead of bab +1

Definitely add Improved Unarmed Strike as a pre-requisite, maybe add a cost of a ki-point to gain the advantages for a round, stack with strength.


ok heres another ideal to make the base monk scarier if those two feats wouldn't fix a few problems in and of themselves.

Allow the ki point spent for an extra action to give another standard so you could ideally use the standard as a move then use whats left as a full attack kind of like pounce but you couldn't do it as often (limited by ki points)


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There's the Agile weapon property, adds dex to damage instead of strength. It should make my rogue/fighter/duelist awesome :)


Is it core?


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therealthom wrote:
Is it core?

Sadly not - I think it's in the PFSRD and one of the Golarian supplements.


i think dex for ac damage and hit is a bit to much int to damage makes since and is a good balanceing tool. plus smart figthers yay


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I agree. For a feat, I'd make it int to damage or wis to damage.

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