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Do Morlocks replace Grimlocks?


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I seem to recall reading something along this line somewhere here in the threads, but cannot find it now. I am running Horror at Dagger Rock for some new to Pathfinder players and have reached the place where it mentions Grimlocks. However, when I look in the Bestiaries for their stats there are none. So I thought I would ask this question, do Morlocks replace Grimlocks?

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There are stats for a grimlock here and since I'm not familiar with the adventure I can't really comment on whether the morlocks swarming and climbing abilities fit flavorwise. They seem resonably close stat wise, so they should be fine to use.

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I believe they are intended to do so. However, Into the Darklands, (which is a 3.5 book, rather than a PFRPG book) mentions both Morlocks and Grimlocks.

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Morlocks are indeed intended to be the thematic replacement for grimlocks. They still do different things, so you can absolutely use them both in the same game or even in the same encounter and they'll still feel different...

...but for Pathifnder, the morlock is the one we're officially sticking with in the category of "violent degenerate underground dwelling were-once-humans" monster.

If we were to reprint Into the Darklands today, the references to grimlocks would change to morlocks.


Wow I feel stupid for not making that connection before now. >.<

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Makes me wonder if the grimlocks (originally introduced in... what? The first edition Fiend Folio, around '80?) were just avoiding-the-lawsuit morlocks to begin with. And then there were the meenlocks (3rd edition's Monster Manual 2, around - what - 2002?) Did 'The Time Machine' become public domain shortly before the Bestiary was released?


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Thanks for the confirmation, James. I am always amazed at the connection the Paizo staff tries to maintain with their fans.


I would like the first few Pathfinders reprinted and updated to Pathfinder Rules. With the knowledge that the reprints are only because of the update to the Pathfinder rules.

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Lincoln Hills wrote:
Makes me wonder if the grimlocks (originally introduced in... what? The first edition Fiend Folio, around '80?) were just avoiding-the-lawsuit morlocks to begin with. And then there were the meenlocks (3rd edition's Monster Manual 2, around - what - 2002?) Did 'The Time Machine' become public domain shortly before the Bestiary was released?

The Time Machine has been in the public domain for a long, long time. The fact that the morlocks are from the distant future is probably more likely why previous editions of the game chose to avoid actually calling the critters that, and instead called them grimlocks. Just my guess.

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Lincoln Hills wrote:
Makes me wonder if the grimlocks (originally introduced in... what? The first edition Fiend Folio, around '80?) were just avoiding-the-lawsuit morlocks to begin with. And then there were the meenlocks (3rd edition's Monster Manual 2, around - what - 2002?) Did 'The Time Machine' become public domain shortly before the Bestiary was released?

Meenlocks are actually rather older than 3e--they first appeared in the Fiend Folio. They also owe rather more a debt to Don't Be Afraid of the Dark than they do to H.G. Wells.

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Thanks for the link, Demiurge. It's fun (in a nerdstorming kind of way) to learn the secret histories of lots of these D&D critters. ;) For instance, I'm pretty sure 1st Edition's wolf-in-sheep's-clothing is pure Looney Tunes. ;)

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Ah, meenlocks. I love those creepy little buggers. Might have to dust them off and Pathfinderize them.


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ME GRIMLOCK CANNOT BE REPLACED! ME GRIMLOCK DESTROY MORLOCKS!


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Blue Star wrote:
ME GRIMLOCK CANNOT BE REPLACED! ME GRIMLOCK DESTROY MORLOCKS!

...and now I want to run a Numerian campaign where the wrecked starship is the Autobot Ark.


Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
Blue Star wrote:
ME GRIMLOCK CANNOT BE REPLACED! ME GRIMLOCK DESTROY MORLOCKS!
...and now I want to run a Numerian campaign where the wrecked starship is the Autobot Ark.

Hanging out with me leads to weird ideas.... mostly because I'm full of weird ideas.

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Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
...and now I want to run a Numerian campaign where the wrecked starship is the Autobot Ark.

MIRAGE: Wow, I sure am glad to see the back of that planet!

BUMBLEBEE: You said it! Bunch of psycho apes is what they were! Home to Cybertron!
ALL: Yay!

(3141 years of being off-line in stasis later:)

OPTIMUS PRIME: Uh, Wheeljack, didn't you say you set our course for Cybertron?
WHEELJACK: Yes sir!
OPTIMUS PRIME: I want you to look in the forward viewscreen and tell me what planet that is.
WHEELJACK: Oh, Primus! I must have forgotten to carry the two!
{GRIMLOCK beheads WHEELJACK. OPTIMUS facepalms.)
ALL: Not agaaaaaaaaaaain!

(Ark crashes.)


Lincoln Hills wrote:

(3141 years of being off-line in stasis later:)

That still beats when they crash landed on earth. The Ark crashed to earth in prehistoric times and. Before being reactivated, they were "at rest" since the time of the dinosaurs.

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But back to the thread topic, I like that Pathfinder just went with morlocks instead of using the grimlocks.

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