paizo.com Recent Posts in My feelings about 5E D&Dpaizo.com Recent Posts in My feelings about 5E D&D2012-03-10T02:55:49Z2012-03-10T02:55:49ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DSebastrdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5402012-02-25T01:51:22Z2012-02-25T01:51:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dennis Harry wrote:</div><blockquote> I think the best approach for D&D Next (based upon their stated goals) is to have a stripped down version of the game, very basic withe few rules and options (I guess similar to what Essentials is now but I don't know 4E that is just what I have heard). Then have later releases create greater complexity depending on the flavor the group wants to play. This way the platform is there to add complexity but those who dislike complexity can still pick up and play the system.</blockquote><p>Based on everything they've said thus far, I assume this is exactly what they're doing.Dennis Harry wrote:I think the best approach for D&D Next (based upon their stated goals) is to have a stripped down version of the game, very basic withe few rules and options (I guess similar to what Essentials is now but I don't know 4E that is just what I have heard). Then have later releases create greater complexity depending on the flavor the group wants to play. This way the platform is there to add complexity but those who dislike complexity can still pick up and play the system.
...Sebastrd2012-02-25T01:51:22ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DKip84https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5392012-02-24T23:19:46Z2012-02-24T23:19:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Meattroller wrote:</div><blockquote><p> My feelings about 5E D&D - sub thread, when did you know 4e would crash and burn:</p>
<p>When they replaced half-orcs with teleporting fey elves.
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</blockquote><b>^</b>This is why they can't afford to do this:<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dennis Harry wrote:</div><blockquote>I think the best approach for D&D Next (based upon their stated goals) is to have a stripped down version of the game, very basic withe few rules and options (I guess similar to what Essentials is now but I don't know 4E that is just what I have heard). Then have later releases create greater complexity depending on the flavor the group wants to play. This way the platform is there to add complexity but those who dislike complexity can still pick up and play the system.</blockquote><p>They need to have some "module" stuff in the first release. Otherwise they will miss the mark with a lot of fans that will try the system but dislike the simplicitic options and stop playing before the further module books come out.Meattroller wrote:My feelings about 5E D&D - sub thread, when did you know 4e would crash and burn:
When they replaced half-orcs with teleporting fey elves.
^This is why they can't afford to do this:Dennis Harry wrote:I think the best approach for D&D Next (based upon their stated goals) is to have a stripped down version of the game, very basic withe few rules and options (I guess similar to what Essentials is now but I don't know 4E that is just what I have heard). Then have later...Kip842012-02-24T23:19:46ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DJason Beardsleyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5382012-02-24T22:14:20Z2012-02-24T22:14:20Z<p>More than likely, I'll give it a chance. However, I'd like to either drop FR and Eberron and focus on a new "default" setting, or bring back Planescape.</p>More than likely, I'll give it a chance. However, I'd like to either drop FR and Eberron and focus on a new "default" setting, or bring back Planescape.Jason Beardsley2012-02-24T22:14:20ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DSgt. Ed Itionwarrior (alias of bugleyman)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5372012-02-24T20:42:14Z2012-02-24T20:42:14Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Leafar the Lost wrote:</div><blockquote> D&D 4th edition put D&D in the grave. D&D 5th edition has taken the body out of it's grave, burned it, and then spread the ashes over the Gulf of Mexico. D&D 6th edition will have to resurrect the body so they can kill it again. </blockquote><p>RAWR! I'm steaming mad!Leafar the Lost wrote:D&D 4th edition put D&D in the grave. D&D 5th edition has taken the body out of it's grave, burned it, and then spread the ashes over the Gulf of Mexico. D&D 6th edition will have to resurrect the body so they can kill it again.
RAWR! I'm steaming mad!Sgt. Ed Itionwarrior (alias of bugleyman)2012-02-24T20:42:14ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DBecketthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5362012-02-24T19:55:50Z2012-02-24T19:55:50Z<p>I'm actually interested in just Ravenloft and Dragonlance. Eberron I can take or leave. It's too new in my opinion to really care so much about the storyline, but I wnat some spotlight on those two settings.</p>I'm actually interested in just Ravenloft and Dragonlance. Eberron I can take or leave. It's too new in my opinion to really care so much about the storyline, but I wnat some spotlight on those two settings.Beckett2012-02-24T19:55:50ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DEltonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5352012-02-24T19:45:35Z2012-02-24T19:45:35Z<p>The thing is, I'm waiting on Eberron 5th ed. :) </p>
<p>What I want from D&D Next is the core rules, the psionics addition, and Eberon 5th ed.
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:)</p>The thing is, I'm waiting on Eberron 5th ed. :)
What I want from D&D Next is the core rules, the psionics addition, and Eberon 5th ed.
:)Elton2012-02-24T19:45:35ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DDennis Harryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5342012-02-24T17:54:29Z2012-02-24T17:54:29Z<p>Meattroller that is also how I feel about D&D Next as well. I have sooo many other things waiting on the backburner to play: Cthulhu, Star Wars, Conan the RPG that I am not sure once I have played out what I want to do with 3.5 that I would even want to move to a new edition. Plus by the time I am done running what I want to run (much less what I could run) from 3rd edition, WOTC will be releasing 7th or 8th edition.</p>
<p>I thought 4E would do poorly when they trashed the older versions of the game. Reminds me of something I read in a comic once, I think it was Secret Wars <div class="messageboard-quotee">Wolverine wrote:</div><blockquote><p> "Cyclops may be a jerk but he's our jerk". [/spoiler] No one wants someone else trashing something they like even if they trash it themselves.</p>Meattroller that is also how I feel about D&D Next as well. I have sooo many other things waiting on the backburner to play: Cthulhu, Star Wars, Conan the RPG that I am not sure once I have played out what I want to do with 3.5 that I would even want to move to a new edition. Plus by the time I am done running what I want to run (much less what I could run) from 3rd edition, WOTC will be releasing 7th or 8th edition.
I thought 4E would do poorly when they trashed the older versions of the...Dennis Harry2012-02-24T17:54:29ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DMeattroller (alias of Meat)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5332012-02-24T17:33:11Z2012-02-24T17:33:11Z<p>My feelings about 5E D&D - sub thread, when did you know 4e would crash and burn:</p>
<p>When they replaced half-orcs with teleporting fey elves. </p>
<p>My weekly DM is on the playtest group for 5E and true to his non-disclosure agreement I know:</p>
<p>a) There is or is not a 5th edition D&D coming out.
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b) There is or is not a playtest for it.
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c) There is or is not a non-disclosure agreement. </p>
<p>That said, my old 3.5 groups have gone to one playing PF AP's and the other rotating through all those old game systems we've had gathering dust (Gamma World, Warhammer RPG, Traveller's, Chill (yeah I'm dating myself) plus we play Society at Cons or when everyone can't make it.</p>
<p>5E is going to have to be epically good and fill a flavor niche I'm not sure I need.</p>My feelings about 5E D&D - sub thread, when did you know 4e would crash and burn:
When they replaced half-orcs with teleporting fey elves.
My weekly DM is on the playtest group for 5E and true to his non-disclosure agreement I know:
a) There is or is not a 5th edition D&D coming out.
b) There is or is not a playtest for it.
c) There is or is not a non-disclosure agreement.
That said, my old 3.5 groups have gone to one playing PF AP's and the other rotating through all those old game...Meattroller (alias of Meat)2012-02-24T17:33:11ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DBecketthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5322012-02-24T17:11:01Z2012-02-24T17:06:18Z<p>What about just animating it and commanding it to go lose itself so that no one else can raise it later. . .</p>What about just animating it and commanding it to go lose itself so that no one else can raise it later. . .Beckett2012-02-24T17:06:18ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DLeafar the Losthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5312012-03-21T18:31:55Z2012-02-24T17:03:10Z<p>D&D 4th edition put D&D in the grave. D&D 5th edition has taken the body out of it's grave, burned it, and then spread the ashes over the Gulf of Mexico. D&D 6th edition will have to resurrect the body so they can kill it again.</p>D&D 4th edition put D&D in the grave. D&D 5th edition has taken the body out of it's grave, burned it, and then spread the ashes over the Gulf of Mexico. D&D 6th edition will have to resurrect the body so they can kill it again.Leafar the Lost2012-02-24T17:03:10ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DSteve Geddeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5302012-02-24T16:46:37Z2012-02-24T16:46:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jerry Wright 307 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So few people on forums of any kind use anything resembling logic.</p>
<p>Why are you so focused on it?</p>
<p>This thread is called "My <b>feelings</b> about 5E DD".</p>
<p>Lighten up, people. </blockquote><p>Sorry. I like formal logic. Like many enthusiasts, i occasionally forget that most people arent and that not everyone enjoys analysis of analysis. :/Jerry Wright 307 wrote:So few people on forums of any kind use anything resembling logic.
Why are you so focused on it?
This thread is called "My feelings about 5E DD".
Lighten up, people.
Sorry. I like formal logic. Like many enthusiasts, i occasionally forget that most people arent and that not everyone enjoys analysis of analysis. :/Steve Geddes2012-02-24T16:46:37ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DBecketthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5292012-02-24T16:42:58Z2012-02-24T16:42:58Z<p>That's a very good point I hadn't even concidered.</p>That's a very good point I hadn't even concidered.Beckett2012-02-24T16:42:58ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DDennis Harryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5282012-02-24T15:58:27Z2012-02-24T15:58:27Z<p>I think the best approach for D&D Next (based upon their stated goals) is to have a stripped down version of the game, very basic withe few rules and options (I guess similar to what Essentials is now but I don't know 4E that is just what I have heard). Then have later releases create greater complexity depending on the flavor the group wants to play. This way the platform is there to add complexity but those who dislike complexity can still pick up and play the system. </p>
<p>I guess the difficult thing would be releasing modules to account for different playstyles. Dungeon though each month could release an adventure for the varying complexities. This is how Dungeon did it in the beginning when Basic D&D and AD&D were released together. The difference would be that the system would be modular to allow the DM and players to build in the complexity themselves should they so choose.</p>I think the best approach for D&D Next (based upon their stated goals) is to have a stripped down version of the game, very basic withe few rules and options (I guess similar to what Essentials is now but I don't know 4E that is just what I have heard). Then have later releases create greater complexity depending on the flavor the group wants to play. This way the platform is there to add complexity but those who dislike complexity can still pick up and play the system.
I guess the difficult...Dennis Harry2012-02-24T15:58:27ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DJerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5272012-02-24T15:29:48Z2012-02-24T15:29:48Z<p>So few people on forums of any kind use anything resembling logic.</p>
<p>Why are you so focused on it?</p>
<p>This thread is called "My <b>feelings</b> about 5E DD".</p>
<p>Lighten up, people.</p>So few people on forums of any kind use anything resembling logic.
Why are you so focused on it?
This thread is called "My feelings about 5E DD".
Lighten up, people.Jerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)2012-02-24T15:29:48ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DFinn Khttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5262012-02-24T09:01:01Z2012-02-24T09:01:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastrd wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Actually, an "appeal to authority" is itself a logical fallacy, so it isn't possible proof of anything. However, if we're going to continue this particular discussion, it's probably best we take it elsewhere. </blockquote><p>As Steve Geddes observed— "appeal to authority" is not always a fallacy. It is when you appeal to unqualified, irrelevant, unsupported, and/or biased authority, that makes it the fallacy of that name. Oddly enough, I've heard professors describe the issue almost exactly the same way SG did in his post. And, "proof", such as it can be determined in most arguments, is determined by preponderance of evidence (absolute, "yes"/"no" proofs are a matter for the formal questions of deductive logic, not the questions regarding informal logic issues).Sebastrd wrote:Actually, an "appeal to authority" is itself a logical fallacy, so it isn't possible proof of anything. However, if we're going to continue this particular discussion, it's probably best we take it elsewhere.
As Steve Geddes observed-- "appeal to authority" is not always a fallacy. It is when you appeal to unqualified, irrelevant, unsupported, and/or biased authority, that makes it the fallacy of that name. Oddly enough, I've heard professors describe the issue almost exactly...Finn K2012-02-24T09:01:01ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DEltonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5252012-02-24T02:16:15Z2012-02-24T02:16:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Finn K wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastrd wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Finn K wrote:</div><blockquote>Piracy increased instead of decreased since their decision to pull PDFs... </blockquote>Citation, please. </blockquote>, but I'm not interested in wading through all the lawyerese to get the major record... </blockquote><p><a href="http://questioncopyright.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Question Copyright dot org.</a> :)
<p>Look up History of Copyright.</p>
<p>In fact, watch this <a href="http://questioncopyright.org/stanford_library_talk_2006" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">video</a>.</p>Finn K wrote:Sebastrd wrote: Finn K wrote:Piracy increased instead of decreased since their decision to pull PDFs...
Citation, please. , but I'm not interested in wading through all the lawyerese to get the major record... Question Copyright dot org. :) Look up History of Copyright.
In fact, watch this video.Elton2012-02-24T02:16:15ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DSteve Geddeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5242012-02-24T01:10:14Z2012-02-24T01:10:14Z<p>Interestingly, there is a school of thought which suggests that 'appeal to authority' be renamed to 'appeal to inappropriate authority'. The argument goes that, although not a proof, it is nonetheless a reasonable argument to cite a well qualified authority, especially with regard to a technical topic most people are unfamiliar with.</p>
<p>"I believe in the existence of global warming since that is the consensus view of climatologists" is a reasonable argument.</p>
<p>"I believe Star Wars is more popular than Star Trek since I have a friend who runs a video shop and he says Star Wars movies sell far better" isn't.</p>Interestingly, there is a school of thought which suggests that 'appeal to authority' be renamed to 'appeal to inappropriate authority'. The argument goes that, although not a proof, it is nonetheless a reasonable argument to cite a well qualified authority, especially with regard to a technical topic most people are unfamiliar with.
"I believe in the existence of global warming since that is the consensus view of climatologists" is a reasonable argument.
"I believe Star Wars is more...Steve Geddes2012-02-24T01:10:14ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DSebastrdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5232012-02-24T01:04:01Z2012-02-24T01:04:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Finn K wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastrd wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Beckett wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Finn K wrote:</div><blockquote>Seems like evidence enough to me as I'm not blind and I can draw conclusions that seem reasonably backed up by what I can observe </blockquote>Come on, now. When has that ever been good enough. . . :) </blockquote>It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you. </blockquote>Insisting that an 'appeal to authority' is the only possible proof for any claim is itself a logical fallacy. </blockquote><p>Actually, an "appeal to authority" is itself a logical fallacy, so it isn't possible proof of anything. However, if we're going to continue this particular discussion, it's probably best we take it elsewhere.Finn K wrote:Sebastrd wrote: Beckett wrote: Finn K wrote:Seems like evidence enough to me as I'm not blind and I can draw conclusions that seem reasonably backed up by what I can observe
Come on, now. When has that ever been good enough. . . :) It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you. Insisting that an 'appeal to authority' is the only possible proof for any claim is itself a logical fallacy. Actually, an "appeal to authority" is itself a logical fallacy, so it isn't possible...Sebastrd2012-02-24T01:04:01ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DFinn Khttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5222012-02-24T01:03:59Z2012-02-24T00:47:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastrd wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Beckett wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Finn K wrote:</div><blockquote>Seems like evidence enough to me as I'm not blind and I can draw conclusions that seem reasonably backed up by what I can observe </blockquote>Come on, now. When has that ever been good enough. . . :) </blockquote>It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you. </blockquote><p>Insisting that an 'appeal to authority' is the only possible proof for any claim is itself a logical fallacy.Sebastrd wrote:Beckett wrote: Finn K wrote:Seems like evidence enough to me as I'm not blind and I can draw conclusions that seem reasonably backed up by what I can observe
Come on, now. When has that ever been good enough. . . :) It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you. Insisting that an 'appeal to authority' is the only possible proof for any claim is itself a logical fallacy.Finn K2012-02-24T00:47:09ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DArnwynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5212012-02-23T22:20:32Z2012-02-23T22:20:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastrd wrote:</div><blockquote>to use it as a springboard making snarky, passive-agressive comments disparaging those that disagree with said argument.</blockquote><p>Where did that happen?Sebastrd wrote:to use it as a springboard making snarky, passive-agressive comments disparaging those that disagree with said argument.
Where did that happen?Arnwyn2012-02-23T22:20:32ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DSebastrdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5202012-02-23T21:52:48Z2012-02-23T21:52:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">ryric wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastrd wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you. </blockquote>Just because an argument is fallacious does not mean the conclusion is wrong.</blockquote><p>True. But if your argument is fallacious, it's probably best not to use it as a springboard for making snarky, passive-agressive comments disparaging those that disagree with said argument.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">ryric wrote:</div><blockquote>Back on topic, compatibility is less important to me than convertability. I would be hard pressed to say that 2e was compatible with 3e, but most characters could be converted. One of the ways that 4e lost me was that many long-running campaigns and concepts could not even be converted to the intial 4e release. I want to be able to take established campaigns and characters and view them through the lens of the new system.</blockquote><p>Conversion to 4E is definitely possible, but it requires some knowledge of the system. And to be fair, even conversion from 2E to 3E doesn't maintain the integrity of things.
<p>The evolution of D&D characters over the editions reminds me a lot of Superman. The power just kept ramping up until it got a little ridiculous, and someone finally took a step back and realized that things were out of hand.</p>ryric wrote:Sebastrd wrote:
It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you.
Just because an argument is fallacious does not mean the conclusion is wrong.True. But if your argument is fallacious, it's probably best not to use it as a springboard for making snarky, passive-agressive comments disparaging those that disagree with said argument. ryric wrote:Back on topic, compatibility is less important to me than convertability. I would be hard pressed to say that 2e was compatible with...Sebastrd2012-02-23T21:52:48ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&Dryric (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5192012-02-23T21:30:03Z2012-02-23T21:30:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sebastrd wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you. </blockquote><p>Just because an argument is fallacious does not mean the conclusion is wrong.
<p>Begin snark: Besides, I can mathemetically prove that piracy of PDFs went up once they were no longer sold:</p>
<p>A = percent of PDF distribution pirated/total before discontinuing = some % less than 100%</p>
<p>B = percent of PDF distribution pirated/total after discontinuing = 100%</p>
<p>A<B QED </p>
<p>End snark.</p>
<p>Back on topic, compatibility is less important to me than convertability. I would be hard pressed to say that 2e was <i>compatible</i> with 3e, but most characters could be <i>converted</i>. One of the ways that 4e lost me was that many long-running campaigns and concepts could not even be converted to the intial 4e release. I want to be able to take established campaigns and characters and view them through the lens of the new system.</p>Sebastrd wrote:It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you.
Just because an argument is fallacious does not mean the conclusion is wrong. Begin snark: Besides, I can mathemetically prove that piracy of PDFs went up once they were no longer sold:
A = percent of PDF distribution pirated/total before discontinuing = some % less than 100%
B = percent of PDF distribution pirated/total after discontinuing = 100%
Acompatible with 3e, but most characters could be converted. One of the...ryric (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32)2012-02-23T21:30:03ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DBecketthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5182012-02-23T20:43:54Z2012-02-23T20:43:54Z<p>I was under the impression the WotC was now going to start doing PDF's, particularly of the older 1st and 2nd ED stuff.</p>I was under the impression the WotC was now going to start doing PDF's, particularly of the older 1st and 2nd ED stuff.Beckett2012-02-23T20:43:54ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DJerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5172012-02-23T18:11:54Z2012-02-23T18:11:54Z<p>I think that we've seen the last of WotC's forays into PDFs, unless someone can convince the beancounters it would be good for business. And convincing beancounters they're wrong is about like convincing a messageboard lurker <i>he's</i> wrong. Ain't gonna happen.</p>I think that we've seen the last of WotC's forays into PDFs, unless someone can convince the beancounters it would be good for business. And convincing beancounters they're wrong is about like convincing a messageboard lurker he's wrong. Ain't gonna happen.Jerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)2012-02-23T18:11:54ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: My feelings about 5E D&DSebastrdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffy&page=11?My-feelings-about-5E-DD#5162012-02-23T16:47:49Z2012-02-23T16:47:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Beckett wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Finn K wrote:</div><blockquote>Seems like evidence enough to me as I'm not blind and I can draw conclusions that seem reasonably backed up by what I can observe </blockquote>Come on, now. When has that ever been good enough. . . :) </blockquote><p>It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you.Beckett wrote:Finn K wrote:Seems like evidence enough to me as I'm not blind and I can draw conclusions that seem reasonably backed up by what I can observe
Come on, now. When has that ever been good enough. . . :) It's a logical fallacy, but don't let that stop you.Sebastrd2012-02-23T16:47:49Z