paizo.com Recent Posts in Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Disciplepaizo.com Recent Posts in Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Disciple2016-07-30T09:18:24Z2016-07-30T09:18:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleAlistair Sternholthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2942018-05-12T09:39:59Z2018-05-12T09:39:59Z<p>I'm really happy to see this guide as it goes into a lot of depth about the dragon disciple, which is really handy since I'm trying to build a character utilizing it. The idea is 10 Sorcerer and 10 Dragon Disciple, with a cross blooded Abyssal and Draconic. I am curious however as to exactly what kind of build that would lead to. I'm aiming for something along the lines of the beast caster that is mentioned in the build, but does anyone know exactly where mine will end up on the balance between the two? Pathfinder still isn't exactly something I'm used to, so I can't easily guess, other than that it might be a bit more caster than beast with the example build mentioned.</p>I'm really happy to see this guide as it goes into a lot of depth about the dragon disciple, which is really handy since I'm trying to build a character utilizing it. The idea is 10 Sorcerer and 10 Dragon Disciple, with a cross blooded Abyssal and Draconic. I am curious however as to exactly what kind of build that would lead to. I'm aiming for something along the lines of the beast caster that is mentioned in the build, but does anyone know exactly where mine will end up on the balance...Alistair Sternholt2018-05-12T09:39:59ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleBlikehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2932018-02-27T21:15:04Z2018-02-27T18:45:53Z<p>Not sure if you are still looking at updating your guide, but I'd highly recommend the Scaled Fist Monk archetype being added in as blue especially with unchained monk. The dragon style is only worth it if you go feral combat training but it is not only thematically appropriate but also a really strong option in general.
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Charisma to AC for a sorcerer in addition to your ridiculous natural armor, unarmed strike with flurry if you run out of claws for the day and don't want to use transmutation spells to get more natural attacks, and if you take more than 1 level (4 recommended in my opinion) you get fast movement, a charisma based ki pool that can add more elemental damage to your attacks, and evasion. Doing a build that somewhat balances str, dex, cha you can get an unbelievably strong beater with a ridiculous AC, CMD, and saves.</p>Not sure if you are still looking at updating your guide, but I'd highly recommend the Scaled Fist Monk archetype being added in as blue especially with unchained monk. The dragon style is only worth it if you go feral combat training but it is not only thematically appropriate but also a really strong option in general.
Charisma to AC for a sorcerer in addition to your ridiculous natural armor, unarmed strike with flurry if you run out of claws for the day and don't want to use transmutation...Blike2018-02-27T18:45:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Discipleitazuranarisuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2922017-10-09T15:40:35Z2017-10-09T15:40:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">zza ni wrote:</div><blockquote> if you cross blood sorcerer dragon with shapchanger and pick the other's 3rd level ability, by te time you get form of the dragon (or cast it later) it would last for hours\level </blockquote><p>Dang. That's pretty busted. I don't really want to give up the spells that crossblooded requires. Obviously I can see how much of advantage that change to the shapeshifting spells would be at later levels, but honestly I think it might be a bit much for the rest of the party to keep up if I can become a huge dragon for most of the day.zza ni wrote:if you cross blood sorcerer dragon with shapchanger and pick the other's 3rd level ability, by te time you get form of the dragon (or cast it later) it would last for hours\level
Dang. That's pretty busted. I don't really want to give up the spells that crossblooded requires. Obviously I can see how much of advantage that change to the shapeshifting spells would be at later levels, but honestly I think it might be a bit much for the rest of the party to keep up if I can become a...itazuranarisu2017-10-09T15:40:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Discipleitazuranarisuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2912017-08-31T21:15:45Z2017-08-31T21:15:45Z<p>Fair point. Just wanted to be sure that was known. Also, interesting about shapechange. Don't know if my GM would let me change now, especially if I tell him it's so when I "turn into a boss battle" as Ive been putting it it would last for hours instead of minutes.</p>Fair point. Just wanted to be sure that was known. Also, interesting about shapechange. Don't know if my GM would let me change now, especially if I tell him it's so when I "turn into a boss battle" as Ive been putting it it would last for hours instead of minutes.itazuranarisu2017-08-31T21:15:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Disciplezza nihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2902017-08-30T14:35:37Z2017-08-30T14:33:44Z<p>if you cross blood sorcerer dragon with shapchanger and pick the other's 3rd level ability, by te time you get form of the dragon (or cast it later) it would last for hours\level</p>if you cross blood sorcerer dragon with shapchanger and pick the other's 3rd level ability, by te time you get form of the dragon (or cast it later) it would last for hours\levelzza ni2017-08-30T14:33:44ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleGisherhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2892017-08-30T09:18:50Z2017-08-30T09:18:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">itazuranarisu wrote:</div><blockquote><p> From how I'm reading Prestigious Spellcaster, it only makes up for one level of missed caster per time you take the feat. Maybe I'm reading that wrong?</p>
<p>Either way, thank you for the answer.</p>
<p>Relevant Text:</p>
<p>"The transition into a spellcasting prestige class is less difficult for you, and because of this, you gain 1 additional effective spellcaster level from your prestige class levels."</p>
<p>"You can select the Prestigious Spellcaster feat multiple times. Each time you select the Prestigious Spellcaster feat, your effective caster level increases by 1" </blockquote><p>Yes, the feat 'only' gets you one level of casting progression. That's arguably the best class ability in the game. It's definitely worth a feat. <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#278" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Read my previous post for a cost/benefit analysis of this approach.</a> I definitely recommend going DD and using Prestigious Spellcaster over straight Sorcerer.itazuranarisu wrote:From how I'm reading Prestigious Spellcaster, it only makes up for one level of missed caster per time you take the feat. Maybe I'm reading that wrong?
Either way, thank you for the answer.
Relevant Text:
"The transition into a spellcasting prestige class is less difficult for you, and because of this, you gain 1 additional effective spellcaster level from your prestige class levels."
"You can select the Prestigious Spellcaster feat multiple times. Each time you select...Gisher2017-08-30T09:18:50ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Discipleitazuranarisuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2882017-08-30T09:12:09Z2017-08-30T09:02:02Z<p>From how I'm reading Prestigious Spellcaster, it only makes up for one level of missed caster per time you take the feat. Maybe I'm reading that wrong?</p>
<p>Either way, thank you for the answer.</p>
<p>Relevant Text:</p>
<p>"The transition into a spellcasting prestige class is less difficult for you, and because of this, you gain 1 additional effective spellcaster level from your prestige class levels."</p>
<p>"You can select the Prestigious Spellcaster feat multiple times. Each time you select the Prestigious Spellcaster feat, your effective caster level increases by 1"</p>From how I'm reading Prestigious Spellcaster, it only makes up for one level of missed caster per time you take the feat. Maybe I'm reading that wrong?
Either way, thank you for the answer.
Relevant Text:
"The transition into a spellcasting prestige class is less difficult for you, and because of this, you gain 1 additional effective spellcaster level from your prestige class levels."
"You can select the Prestigious Spellcaster feat multiple times. Each time you select the Prestigious...itazuranarisu2017-08-30T09:02:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleDragonborn3https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2872017-08-29T17:13:53Z2017-08-29T17:13:53Z<p>I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but an Arcanist with the Spell Specialist archetype qualifies for Dragon Disciple. Since DD says if you don't have the Draconic bloodline you gain it, using your DD as your Sorc level, it also activates Bloodline Development. I used this combo for a melee DD with Eldritch Heritage(Orc) and had quite a lot of fun Shapeshifting into 30-40s in Strength.</p>I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but an Arcanist with the Spell Specialist archetype qualifies for Dragon Disciple. Since DD says if you don't have the Draconic bloodline you gain it, using your DD as your Sorc level, it also activates Bloodline Development. I used this combo for a melee DD with Eldritch Heritage(Orc) and had quite a lot of fun Shapeshifting into 30-40s in Strength.Dragonborn32017-08-29T17:13:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Disciplezza nihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2862017-08-29T17:04:19Z2017-08-29T17:03:55Z<p>seem like the op is not sure if bloodrager bloodline stack with dd like a sorcerer.
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so <a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1gw#v5748eaic9tml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> you go, enjoy!</p>seem like the op is not sure if bloodrager bloodline stack with dd like a sorcerer.
so here you go, enjoy!zza ni2017-08-29T17:03:55ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Discipleavrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2852017-08-29T13:11:36Z2017-08-29T13:11:36Z<p>Prestigious spellcaster & its prereq favored prestige class. They should be on archives of nethys if you need details.</p>Prestigious spellcaster & its prereq favored prestige class. They should be on archives of nethys if you need details.avr2017-08-29T13:11:36ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Discipleitazuranarisuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2842017-08-29T05:40:38Z2017-08-29T05:40:38Z<p>Which feats? That's not a book I have access to.</p>Which feats? That's not a book I have access to.itazuranarisu2017-08-29T05:40:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleDavid knott 242https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2832017-08-29T02:37:01Z2017-08-29T02:37:01Z<p>And with some feats from Paths of the Righteous, they actually don't have to lose any casting power.</p>And with some feats from Paths of the Righteous, they actually don't have to lose any casting power.David knott 2422017-08-29T02:37:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleElterAgo (alias of Kydeem de'Morcaine)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2822017-08-29T00:11:11Z2017-08-29T00:11:11Z<p>Up to you, but I know of some people that do a sorc/DD that is primarily a caster. They lose a little bit of casting power, but pick up quite a bit of survival boosts. Also, if they get stuck in melee or a magic immune opponent they are not completely helpless.</p>Up to you, but I know of some people that do a sorc/DD that is primarily a caster. They lose a little bit of casting power, but pick up quite a bit of survival boosts. Also, if they get stuck in melee or a magic immune opponent they are not completely helpless.ElterAgo (alias of Kydeem de'Morcaine)2017-08-29T00:11:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Discipleitazuranarisuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2812017-08-28T20:52:29Z2017-08-28T20:52:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Potato disciple wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Alchemist sorcerer15 DD4 with eldritch heritage(abyssal) gives you
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18 base +2 race +4 typeless DD +6 inherent abyssal +6 enhancement belt +10 size form of the dragon III +4 alchemical = 50, +20. Those people who got to 55+ added up the inherent bonuses from orc bloodline, abyssal bloodline and the manual, which RAW is illegal(multiple bonuses of the same type don't stack.
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And as for you poor halfling, people who go DD usually want gishes, and with your base str score of nothing, you're gonna cap at 40 str, which, while is nothing to sneeze at, is still sub optimal. </blockquote><p>Wow, gotcha. Thanks!
<p>I'm definitely not looking for optimization, just a solid build. I don't even necessarily consider gunning for the highest possible strength optimal (though obviously I get that it would go a long way toward improved versatility and I'm glad to see what my options are).</p>
<p>That said, I'd still like to know if I should even be gunning for DD at all (and go the Dragon Mage path) or if I should just try to get the most out of being a sorc that eventually can turn into progressively more and more badass dragons.</p>Potato disciple wrote:Alchemist sorcerer15 DD4 with eldritch heritage(abyssal) gives you
18 base +2 race +4 typeless DD +6 inherent abyssal +6 enhancement belt +10 size form of the dragon III +4 alchemical = 50, +20. Those people who got to 55+ added up the inherent bonuses from orc bloodline, abyssal bloodline and the manual, which RAW is illegal(multiple bonuses of the same type don't stack.
And as for you poor halfling, people who go DD usually want gishes, and with your base str score of...itazuranarisu2017-08-28T20:52:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DisciplePotato disciplehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2802017-08-28T20:50:10Z2017-08-28T09:04:11Z<p>Alchemist sorcerer15 DD4 with eldritch heritage(abyssal) gives you
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18 base +2 race +4 typeless DD +6 inherent abyssal +6 enhancement belt +10 size form of the dragon III +4 alchemical = 50, +20. Those people who got to 55+ added up the inherent bonuses from orc bloodline, abyssal bloodline and the manual, which RAW is illegal(multiple bonuses of the same type don't stack.
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And as for you poor halfling, people who go DD usually want gishes, and with your base str score of nothing, you're gonna cap at 40 str, which, while is nothing to sneeze at, is still sub optimal.</p>Alchemist sorcerer15 DD4 with eldritch heritage(abyssal) gives you
18 base +2 race +4 typeless DD +6 inherent abyssal +6 enhancement belt +10 size form of the dragon III +4 alchemical = 50, +20. Those people who got to 55+ added up the inherent bonuses from orc bloodline, abyssal bloodline and the manual, which RAW is illegal(multiple bonuses of the same type don't stack.
And as for you poor halfling, people who go DD usually want gishes, and with your base str score of nothing, you're gonna...Potato disciple2017-08-28T09:04:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon Discipleitazuranarisuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2792017-08-28T06:59:31Z2017-08-28T06:59:31Z<p>Great guide. A few questions for those of you who have had more time with this build. Mostly for flavor, I made a halfling Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer who is obsessed with his Draconic lineage. Super high Charisma, started at level three, now level four. Since I am a halfling my STR is abysmal (an 8). Is it possible to still get a decent build of this with a low strength? Should I just go pure Sorcerer? Also, out of curiosity I saw posts early on talking about buffing to ridiculously high strength 55!?). Didn't see that in the guide. Can anyone elaborate on that? (Not looking to actually go THAT high because my GM's head would explode but if 55 is possible I imagine more reasonable buffs are even more so.</p>
<p>Thanks for any advice!</p>Great guide. A few questions for those of you who have had more time with this build. Mostly for flavor, I made a halfling Draconic Bloodline Sorcerer who is obsessed with his Draconic lineage. Super high Charisma, started at level three, now level four. Since I am a halfling my STR is abysmal (an 8). Is it possible to still get a decent build of this with a low strength? Should I just go pure Sorcerer? Also, out of curiosity I saw posts early on talking about buffing to ridiculously high...itazuranarisu2017-08-28T06:59:31ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleGisherhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2782017-05-07T16:01:35Z2017-05-07T15:35:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kemuri Kunoichi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gisher wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Particle_Man wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).</p>
<p>How does this affect DD builds?</p>
<p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcaster </blockquote>It means that there is basically no reason for a Draconic Sorcerer not to take ten levels of DD. The loss of spell progression was always the biggest cost. </blockquote>Except the fact that it takes 4 feats... </blockquote><p>That's a very small cost. First of all, with ten levels in DD they have one more Bloodline Feat than a straight Sorcerer would, so the cost is effectively three feats. And for those three feats they get an excellent bite attack to go with their claws, an extra use of their breath weapon per day, better wings, Form of the Dragon II twice a day, blindsense, an extra +3 to their natural armor, +4 Str, +2 Int, +2 Con, +2 to their BAB, and they get to replace ten of their d6 hit dice with d12's - all without sacrificing any spellcasting ability. That's worth way, way more than three feats.Kemuri Kunoichi wrote:Gisher wrote: Particle_Man wrote:So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).
How does this affect DD builds?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcaster
It means that there is basically no reason for a Draconic Sorcerer not to take ten levels of DD. The loss of spell...Gisher2017-05-07T15:35:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleKemuri Kunoichi (alias of Slyme)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2772017-05-06T21:15:35Z2017-05-06T21:15:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gisher wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Particle_Man wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).</p>
<p>How does this affect DD builds?</p>
<p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcaster </blockquote>It means that there is basically no reason for a Draconic Sorcerer not to take ten levels of DD. The loss of spell progression was always the biggest cost. </blockquote><p>Except the fact that it takes 4 feats...Gisher wrote:Particle_Man wrote:So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).
How does this affect DD builds?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcaster
It means that there is basically no reason for a Draconic Sorcerer not to take ten levels of DD. The loss of spell progression was always the...Kemuri Kunoichi (alias of Slyme)2017-05-06T21:15:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleEntryhazardhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2762017-05-06T19:01:48Z2017-05-06T18:31:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">XyZiron wrote:</div><blockquote> The new Dandy Archetype for Ranger also gives them bard spellcasting, so you can be a ranger then go into dragon disciple. </blockquote><p>The dandy is still divine
<p>But a Kobold (or a Racial Heritage Human) with Scaled Disciple still can</p>XyZiron wrote:The new Dandy Archetype for Ranger also gives them bard spellcasting, so you can be a ranger then go into dragon disciple.
The dandy is still divine But a Kobold (or a Racial Heritage Human) with Scaled Disciple still canEntryhazard2017-05-06T18:31:51ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleGisherhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2752017-05-06T17:50:57Z2017-05-06T17:23:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Particle_Man wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).</p>
<p>How does this affect DD builds?</p>
<p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcaster </blockquote><p>It means that there is basically no reason for a Draconic Sorcerer not to take ten levels of DD. The loss of spell progression was always the biggest cost.Particle_Man wrote:So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).
How does this affect DD builds?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcaster
It means that there is basically no reason for a Draconic Sorcerer not to take ten levels of DD. The loss of spell progression was always the biggest cost.Gisher2017-05-06T17:23:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleGisherhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2742017-05-06T16:52:00Z2017-05-06T16:52:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">XyZiron wrote:</div><blockquote> The new Dandy Archetype for Ranger also gives them bard spellcasting, so you can be a ranger then go into dragon disciple. </blockquote><p>Very interesting. The Silksworn Occultist casts Arcane spells so that is another new option.XyZiron wrote:The new Dandy Archetype for Ranger also gives them bard spellcasting, so you can be a ranger then go into dragon disciple.
Very interesting. The Silksworn Occultist casts Arcane spells so that is another new option.Gisher2017-05-06T16:52:00ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleXyZironhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2732017-05-06T16:36:35Z2017-05-06T16:36:35Z<p>The new Dandy Archetype for Ranger also gives them bard spellcasting, so you can be a ranger then go into dragon disciple.</p>The new Dandy Archetype for Ranger also gives them bard spellcasting, so you can be a ranger then go into dragon disciple.XyZiron2017-05-06T16:36:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleParticle_Manhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2722017-02-07T05:23:21Z2017-02-07T05:23:21Z<p>So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).</p>
<p>How does this affect DD builds?</p>
<p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcaster</p>So with the prestigious spellcaster feat, one could be a sorcerer/dragon disciple/sorcerer without sacrificing any sorcerer spellcaster levels, at the cost of 4 feats (the prereq feat and 3x prestigious spellcaster).
How does this affect DD builds?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/prestigious-spellcasterParticle_Man2017-02-07T05:23:21ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleDalamar666https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2712017-01-25T22:01:04Z2017-01-25T22:01:04Z<p>Question?</p>
<p>Are the Ghoulish Claws really that powerful?</p>
<p>I ask because the save DC is really low. Unlike other blood lines this doesn't tell us to use 10 + 1/2 sorcerer lvl + CHA mod. It tells us to use "as the Ghoul ability (Fort Negates)." Which means we find the paralyzed monster ability and get 10 + 1/2 Racial HD + Con mod. We don't get CHA mod like a ghoul because we aren't undead and have a Con score.</p>
<p>So on the character I was planning after DD con boost at 11th level my save DC would be 10 + 0 + 3 to 6 = 13 to 16 max. doesn't seem very good to me.</p>Question?
Are the Ghoulish Claws really that powerful?
I ask because the save DC is really low. Unlike other blood lines this doesn't tell us to use 10 + 1/2 sorcerer lvl + CHA mod. It tells us to use "as the Ghoul ability (Fort Negates)." Which means we find the paralyzed monster ability and get 10 + 1/2 Racial HD + Con mod. We don't get CHA mod like a ghoul because we aren't undead and have a Con score.
So on the character I was planning after DD con boost at 11th level my save DC would...Dalamar6662017-01-25T22:01:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: Oterisk's Guide to the Dragon DiscipleAthos710https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nffu&page=6?Oterisks-Guide-to-the-Dragon-Disciple#2702016-10-31T10:32:47Z2016-10-31T10:32:47Z<p>In case anyone is here looking, there is an Investigator archetype (Questioner) in Magic Tactics Toolbox that replaces alchemy with Bard spell casting. So, it's another class to meet the DD pre-req's.</p>In case anyone is here looking, there is an Investigator archetype (Questioner) in Magic Tactics Toolbox that replaces alchemy with Bard spell casting. So, it's another class to meet the DD pre-req's.Athos7102016-10-31T10:32:47Z