I love the awards idea..it would be well deserved

I like the categories as well, may have to break adventure and monster books into 2 sections, one less than X pages, one more than, but otherwise it seems really well thought out.

I agree with that, Shadowcat. Otherwise, the "big" 3PPs are likely to win most things and the smaller 3PPs might not get recognition they deserve.

Favorite Adventure: Slumbering Tsar (FGG)
I'm really digging this adventure. It's right up there with Rappan Athuk in the all time greats, IMO.

Favorite Monster Book: Tome of Horrors Complete

I just wanted to thank everyone who mentioned our products.

Steve Russell
Rite Publishing.

I'd like to echo Steve. It really is a morale boost (even when morale is good) to read folks singing the praises of your works.

As for me, I've always thought Cerulean Seas is a top-notch campaign setting. I'd planned to do some support for it, but with a lot of other demands and Alluria having their own issues, it just never happened.

The group had to break out Luven's Guide last night for a prosthetic arm after the ruler in their Kingmaker campaign lost his left arm to a slicer beetle from Tome of Horrors. Thought it was nice little bit of 3PP synergy :).

The group had to break out Luven's Guide last night for a prosthetic arm after the ruler in their Kingmaker campaign lost his left arm to a slicer beetle from Tome of Horrors. Thought it was nice little bit of 3PP synergy :).

Excellent!

The Super Genius Archetype Line of products(Arcane, Archer, Divine and Martial). Different from the paizo style of 'archetype' these allow you to mix and match groups of options regardless of class. Want to add some divine magic to a fighter? No problem. Want a wizard with a bit more combat oomph, we got you covered. These were also the key to my replacement of the wealth system and the vast majority of magic items in my game, allowing me to forever say goodbye to magic mart and the idea that magic items have become mundane and common in my game.

Hmmm... I'm wondering, if archetypes are a one time swap, how did you use it to circumvent the wealth and magic item system? I'd like to know, so I could use it.

Just wanted to chime in to say that I did send off my very personal Top-10-3pp-products list of 2011 - it should come up in one future Pathways issue. Cheers!

Kolokotroni wrote:

The Super Genius Archetype Line of products(Arcane, Archer, Divine and Martial). Different from the paizo style of 'archetype' these allow you to mix and match groups of options regardless of class. Want to add some divine magic to a fighter? No problem. Want a wizard with a bit more combat oomph, we got you covered. These were also the key to my replacement of the wealth system and the vast majority of magic items in my game, allowing me to forever say goodbye to magic mart and the idea that magic items have become mundane and common in my game.

Hmmm... I'm wondering, if archetypes are a one time swap, how did you use it to circumvent the wealth and magic item system? I'd like to know, so I could use it.

I've read about his approach. He allowed the players to take an archetype without having to do the swap, just straight add it to their character. This produced characters more powerful than the norm, and so they require less treasure.

Just wanted to chime in to say that I did send off my very personal Top-10-3pp-products list of 2011 - it should come up in one future Pathways issue. Cheers!

Same here and I found this year it was very very hard to limit it down to 10. My first draft had slightly over 20 products, I finally got it down to 10 but it was hard. i ended up going more on what I liked most on a personal level than anything at that point. Then I found it hard to rate them. I didn't think there was a clear cut number one this year unlike last year. I should note I don't own the tome of Horrors so couldn't list it. Since I have no first hand knowledge of the book.

I am curious to see how our lists match up though.

Endzeitgeist wrote:

Just wanted to chime in to say that I did send off my very personal Top-10-3pp-products list of 2011 - it should come up in one future Pathways issue. Cheers!

Same here and I found this year it was very very hard to limit it down to 10. My first draft had slightly over 20 products, I finally got it down to 10 but it was hard. i ended up going more on what I liked most on a personal level than anything at that point. Then I found it hard to rate them. I didn't think there was a clear cut number one this year unlike last year. I should note I don't own the tome of Horrors so couldn't list it. Since I have no first hand knowledge of the book.

I am curious to see how our lists match up though.

Wow, cool! Can't wait to see both of those lists!

I'm with Marc, I can't wait to see those lists as well.

I'm curious, Dark_Mistress, you said "this year". Have you done top 10 lists before, and if so where would they be available? What about you Endzeitgeist?

End and I both did one last year for Rite Publishing. I believe it was in Pathways #1 which is a free download. Pretty sure someone else did a top 10 list in that issue too but at the moment I can't think of who off the top of my head.

Same here, though I eliminated ToH from the start - I owned a version of Vol I - III for 3.5 and thus didn't want to pay for the print version. (Though I got the pdf.) Reprints/Conversions, no matter how awesome don't feel like they belong on my list to me.
Crucify me, I still prefer forgotten foes as it feels more NEW than ToH...

And yeah, as I recall it, Steve asked me and D_M to do a list in 2010 and it should be in Pathways #1. :)

P.S.: Marc, check out my final list. ^^

They will appear in Pathways issue #12, and for those looking for last years list its HERE

Disclaimer***
My choices are 3.5 but work fine with PFRPG conversion.

Best 3pp campaign setting - DCC 35 Gazetteer of the Known Realms by Goodman Games. The world of Aereth is a grognards dream (ymmv).
Best 3pp adventure - Castle Whiterock by Goodman Games, Lost City of Barakus by Necromancer Games, and Tomb of Abysthor by Necromancer Games.

Both Goodman and Necro had other greats like The Vault of Larrin Kar, Crypt of The Devil Lich, Grey Citadel, Crucible of Freya, Secret of the Dragon Cult, etc. and remain as my two all time favorite 3PPs. I'm still watching Frog God and Legendary for more magic bullets, time will tell.

As for PFRPG - The only thing ATM that I own is Frog God's complete Tome of Horrors and Tsar 1. Tome is excellent, still on the fence with Tsar.

Wicht wrote:

I don't know who would run it, but a 3pp Pathfinder awards ceremony would be a great event for Paizo Con.

Ok! Now we're collaborating. Take my notion of an Ennie like award, turn it into a Paizo Con event, and nudge Paizo into putting up a vote page.

The only things it seems to need are (1) an independent -- non Paizo employee -- judging panel, arrived at through an independent process and (2) a way for 3pp to submit one product to each category.

Problem #1: Perhaps we can convince Wayfinder to run a judge election process each year, and the first time out of the gate, maybe non-Paizo Wayfinder staff get to be the judges? If Wayfinder was up to it, Liz might serve as the bridge since she jumped from uber fan to staff? I'm sure there are better solutions out there. This one just jumped to my head.

Alternately, maybe whoever posts the most reviews on Paizo.com weighted for how often the reviews receive comments could become a judge automatically? I bet we could devise a formula for that.

Just noodling here.

Problem #2: This one is easy, I think. Submission is PDF only, regardless of whether the product was originally print or pdf.

After that it follows the Ennie pattern:
1. 3pps submit hopefuls.
2. Judges select nominees.
3. Community votes
4. Awards announced at Paizocon

Boy do I like this.

PS DM - I like your categories. Seems like a few short tweaks to a win on that score.

Was just wondering if anything came of this? The 3pp awards deal thingy.

Louis Agresta wrote:

Wicht wrote:

I don't know who would run it, but a 3pp Pathfinder awards ceremony would be a great event for Paizo Con.

Ok! Now we're collaborating. Take my notion of an Ennie like award, turn it into a Paizo Con event, and nudge Paizo into putting up a vote page.

The only things it seems to need are (1) an independent -- non Paizo employee -- judging panel, arrived at through an independent process and (2) a way for 3pp to submit one product to each category.

Problem #1: Perhaps we can convince Wayfinder to run a judge election process each year, and the first time out of the gate, maybe non-Paizo Wayfinder staff get to be the judges? If Wayfinder was up to it, Liz might serve as the bridge since she jumped from uber fan to staff? I'm sure there are better solutions out there. This one just jumped to my head.

Alternately, maybe whoever posts the most reviews on Paizo.com weighted for how often the reviews receive comments could become a judge automatically? I bet we could devise a formula for that.

Just noodling here.

Problem #2: This one is easy, I think. Submission is PDF only, regardless of whether the product was originally print or pdf.

After that it follows the Ennie pattern:
1. 3pps submit hopefuls.
2. Judges select nominees.
3. Community votes
4. Awards announced at Paizocon

Boy do I like this.

PS DM - I like your categories. Seems like a few short tweaks to a win on that score.

Was just wondering if anything came of this? The 3pp awards deal thingy.

I'm curious too!

Yeah I'm interested as well and would be happy to participate/help in any way if it goes somewhere. I'll be at both PaizoCon and GenCon this year.

Just bumping this back up to say I'd be interested in helping out...

:)

I am guessing either Lou forgot about this or decided it was to much effort. Both would be totally understandable.

Got distracted by Razor Coast. If anyone else wants to run with this, please do!

Well, the idea's got our thumbs up over here at Little Red :-)
(Personally, I'm a big fan of a lot of LPJ's material)