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The Fifth Edition Announcement - What do you think of their stated intentions?


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memorax wrote:

Another problem is that if you release an edition of an rpg that is too similar to the previous one sometimes the fanabse is not as interested in purchasing it again. I know of some in my gaming circle that while they play in my PF game will not purchase any PF books because it feels too much like 3.5. Chaosium is rel;easing a 7E of Call of cthulhu next year most likely. Without any major changes. I like CoC. Do I want to buy 6E with some minor rules changes no not really. It's a paradox. Gamers don't want the same game wile at the same time don't want a newer version instead. To be honest we a gamers don't really know what the hell we want as a whole but I digress.

No, incorrect. We know what we want, perhaps you do not. The fundamental reason why people are upset over so many hard-stop editions, is that its difficult for players to float from group to group. The rules mostly, but also the cultures that develop at each gaming table are altered dramatically by the edition used. Even the changes from 3.0 to 3.5 were large enough to split up our gaming group, and make us all a bit cynical. Not only that, it hurts gaming retailers.

Now, and only thanks to Paizo's Pathfinder, has there been some consensus and stability among the gamers in my area: "This is a good product that we can all agree and use". And also, not a single retailer within 30 miles of me carries 4e books, its all Pathfinder and Indie titles.

Wizards keeps f'ing with their Kernel. They need to stop doing that and simply put out their equivalent of Adventure Paths and Settings.

From the PAX 2012 Q&A, that sounds like their plan... but I personally doubt they have the integrity to honor those claims.

Andoran

Paulcynic wrote:


No, incorrect. We know what we want, perhaps you do not. The fundamental reason why people are upset over so many hard-stop editions, is that its difficult for players to float from group to group. The rules mostly, but also the cultures that develop at each gaming table are altered dramatically by the edition used. Even the changes from 3.0 to 3.5 were large enough to split up our gaming group, and make us all a bit cynical. Not only that, it hurts gaming retailers.

I know what I want. I also know that unlike myself other gamers don't have the luxury of spending 50$ or more to get into another edition of the gmae all the time. Espcially when it's very similar to the previous edition. I'm not saying your wrong I agree to a certain extent. Yet To act like money is not a factor in gaming purchase is not understanding how the average consumer thinks. I know I have had to deal with consumers for the last 10 years. Spending something on money does matter. It's one of the few things in our hobby not up for debate.

Paulcynic wrote:


And also, not a single retailer within 30 miles of me carries 4e books, its all Pathfinder and Indie titles.

Sorry don't beleive you at all. Considering how the economy is and how the hobby is hurting store owners and retailers are asking to go under if they do such an incredibly dumb short sighted bad business move. Even the most anti-4E store owner in my area carries 4E. He despises it yet he is still going to make money from it. Funny how when a gamer hates a certain edition of a rpg somehow miraclulously no stores carry the edition they hate.

Paulcynic wrote:


Wizards keeps f'ing with their Kernel. They need to stop doing that and simply put out their equivalent of Adventure Paths and Settings.

As long as profit is to be made a decent amount of gamers in the hobby will buy a new edition they will and should not stop. BY that extension Wotc should have just rereleased a pimped up version of 2E. New edition for good or bad are something that will never leave the hobby. Nor is wotc the only person to make new editions either. Green Ronin released not one not two but three version of the core rulebook of a song of ice and fire rpg.

Paulcynic wrote:


From the PAX 2012 Q&A, that sounds like their plan... but I personally doubt they have the integrity to honor those claims.

I'm going to wait and see before assuming the worst. They might do the job right or they might screw it up. I'm hoping they hit it dead on this time around


I believe their intentions are good, and from the columns lately, they seem to have a grasp of the challenge they face, so they have a reasonable chance. I'll have to wait and see what the final product looks like before passing any further judgment than that. They have a delicate balancing act they'll have to master, and if they fail, it's doubtful they'll get another chance. Most people can forgive one mistake, and how they handled early 4E was definitely a mistake. It's been long enough for most people to look past it enough to give the new edition a try, and they do seem to have learned from it, but two mistakes of that caliber without any major successes in between will do enough damage not even the D&D brand name is going to help them.

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Ross Byers wrote:
I removed a post and the replies to it. Personal attacks on industry figures will not be tolerated.

Ah man, it took me like 20 minutes to articulate that post so that it wasn't inflammatory. There were some good things in there too :(


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Paulcynic wrote:
We know what we want, perhaps you do not.

Would that be the royal 'we?'

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This thread is guaranteed to become 500+ posts about nothing.

I refuse to join the "Let's Hate WOTC Because....." religion. I've got better things to do with my life than speculate on what WOTC has done.

WOTC decided to open up the process with it's customers. And some folks would rather open up another can of hate rather than go on with their lives. Of course they'd be opening up the same can if they decided to keep development private.

If you're already in one of these camps, you'll probably remain in it long after Paizo and WOTC are dust in the wind.

For myself, I'll treat it like any other new product. I'll just wait and see.

Cheliax

Scott Betts wrote:


(unfinished magazine subscriptions were automatically rolled over into Pathfinder).

Partially true. That was one of 3-4 options- you could roll over into the new pathfinder AP, you could use it in store credit, you could get a refund and I think one other, but forget now- I think you also got a discount as well on the AP as well....

But that was a excellent marketing strategy for them- you could test the water and with one AP and still get something else if I recall if you didnt like it. It was no risk all reward for the customer. I know I did, I had both dungeon and dragon that still had alot left and practially got the whole AP for what was left.

Andoran

LazarX wrote:

This thread is guaranteed to become 500+ posts about nothing.

I refuse to join the "Let's Hate WOTC Because....." religion. I've got better things to do with my life than speculate on what WOTC has done.

WOTC decided to open up the process with it's customers. And some folks would rather open up another can of hate rather than go on with their lives. Of course they'd be opening up the same can if they decided to keep development private.

If you're already in one of these camps, you'll probably remain in it long after Paizo and WOTC are dust in the wind.

For myself, I'll treat it like any other new product. I'll just wait and see.

We dont often agree yet one of the few times in total agreeement.

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LazarX wrote:
If you're already in one of these camps, you'll probably remain in it long after Paizo and WOTC are dust in the wind.

Undoubtedly.

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