Alchemist 2x Vestigial Arms 2 Two-Handed Weapons TWF Question

[e-Spaceshot]

I know this has been posted a lot, but I haven't found the answer out of any of the ones I've found.

My question is with that current build; Alchemist, 2x Vestigial Arm discovery (earliest level 3 and wielding 2 two-handed weapons (lets say greatswords), would I be able to dual wield them?

Now if I can dual wield them, can I use TWF feat to reduce the tax on my to hit?

If TWF does alter it, does it go down to -4/-4 in which RAW says, being a main-hand and the off-hand isn't light? Or does it get a special alteration for the circumstance

The issue here is, is that most, if not all of the rules in the core rules are built on the assumption that players only have 2 arms. I doubt that would be the issue otherwise they would have made additional rules in APG (where eidolon's can get 4 or more arms) or in UM (Vestigial Arm/s) or have FAQed this by now.

Once all that is answered, we can then worry about the off-hand (and possibly even main-hand) bonus Str damage.

I am asking these TWF questions because the character in question I'm thinking of building is a PFS character, thus multiweapon-fighting isn't available. If someone know's of the answer, and could point me towards it I will be very thankful.

[Muser]

Going by the Multiweapon Fighting feat, creatures with lots of arms have one primary hand and the rest are off-hands. This, however, has very little bearing on the rules for fighting with two arms since there doesn't seem to be a rule for what happens when a character uses two off-hands to wield one weapon. Therefore, I'd go with the existing rules and let you dual-wield with the normal -4/-4 penalties for fighting without the off-hand weapon being light. Naturally you may pick up light weapons for your off-hands and use the lessened penalties.

As for strength, you still have the extra hands needed to hold a weapon two-handed, but all your hands except one are off-hand, so you'd get 1.5 str with one weapon and 0.5 with the second. Unless someone can clarify what happens when you use several off-hands to wield a weapon?

[BigNorseWolf]

e-Spaceshot wrote:

I know this has been posted a lot, but I haven't found the answer out of any of the ones I've found.

My question is with that current build; Alchemist, 2x Vestigial Arm discovery (earliest level 3 and wielding 2 two-handed weapons (lets say greatswords), would I be able to dual wield them?

RAW (rules as written) yes. You are not gaining extra actions, you are not gaining extra attacks, you are not violating any of the listed prohibitions on the use of the arms.

RAI (rules as intended) no. This is specifically something the Devs did not intend people to do with the feat. Linky

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Now if I can dual wield them, can I use TWF feat to reduce the tax on my to hit?

Yes

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If TWF does alter it, does it go down to -4/-4 in which RAW says, being a main-hand and the off-hand isn't light? Or does it get a special alteration for the circumstance

Its still -4 -4. Extra arms or not swinging that much metal out in front of you is going to throw you off balance.

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Once all that is answered, we can then worry about the off-hand (and possibly even main-hand) bonus Str damage.

I beleive that the offhand penalties still applies. There is no such thing as a right or left handed character in pathfinder , off handed refers specifically to dual weilding, which you are doing.

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I am asking these TWF questions because the character in question I'm thinking of building is a PFS character, thus multiweapon-fighting isn't available. If someone know's of the answer, and could point me towards it I will be very thankful.

I would not make this build as a pathfinder character. The extra arms to become dual weilding greatsword wielding maniac thing is a questionable use of the rules, which you should avoid as the foundation of a character when a judge may say "oh hell no"

[e-Spaceshot]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

RAI (rules as intended) no. This is specifically something the Devs did not intend people to do with the feat. Linky

I did read that first, I know it's not intended, but there are other RAW builds that aren't RAI, doesn't make them any less viable. The only issue is that for PFS you practically need an offical rule/rulings to allow something otherwise a judge/GM can just say no to it at the table.

That is what I'm trying to find, an offical rulling, or at least something already made that has the same set of rullings to it (such as a 4armed monster using two two-handed weapons and only using TWF to get the decrease). You can in theory go two-handed weapon and off-hand/main-hand weapon TWF with a lot less trouble, the trouble seems to come from wanting to get that second two-handed weapon in the fight.

[blackbloodtroll]

A Dorn Dergar is actually a good choice for this, as you wield one with reach, and one without.