It's a "dwarf" world after all?


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You might find this helpful - it has variants for Dwarves at the bottom.

As for the Sundering...well, when it comes to northern climes the first thing that comes to my mind is an ice age. Maybe where the dwarves live are various thermal vents and such, but other areas aren't so lucky and it's gotten too cold for other races to survive. Then again, maybe some sort of great transformation occurred and every other race turned into some variety of Dwarf. A disease that affected other races like the Black Plague could also explain things. Then again, the dwarves could have been shunted into some alternate dimension - an exact copy of their former world but with no other races around.

Since you're concentrating on the northern areas, it would be natural to consider some seafaring types. Dwarves could very easily build metal ships if needed.

If you want to make it all Dwarves, why not treat Dwarves like Humans? They can have a +2 to any one stat. If you want to keep the strong Constitution, this would still not be a game breaker since they'd all have +2 Con and +2 something else. No need for a -2 since there's no other races you're balancing them against.


I always considered Legolas's comment to be just a gibe at Gimli. If you want to see dwarf appearance done to the extreme, check out Terry Pratchet. His dwarves can't even tell wether another dwarf is male/female casually. This leads to some very tricky courting.


BltzKrg242 wrote:

HUGE fan of a Dwarf only campaign. I attempted oner a bit back but encountered the same ambivalence that you are getting or in one case outright Dwarf hate.

I don't get it.
You should Definitely read the Warhammer books on Dwarfs. They are awesome.
Lets chat at a later date and swap ideas?

Drop a line anytime, working a lot ATM, so not a lot of free time.


Warhammer Dwarfs are broken down into clans and castes and they each have various "classes" that would be appropriate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_%28Warhammer%29

This is just a teaser. There is a ton of info on them and THESE are what dwarfs should be. Supported by folks that love them!


Thanks for the link, still working on some things, but doing my best to move forward.


BltzKrg242 wrote:

HUGE fan of a Dwarf only campaign. I attempted oner a bit back but encountered the same ambivalence that you are getting or in one case outright Dwarf hate.

I don't get it.
You should Definitely read the Warhammer books on Dwarfs. They are awesome.
Lets chat at a later date and swap ideas?

Finally got that pesky real world away from my fantasy, and am getting back into working on this project. I am working on ideas how to make the race different (clans, families, etc etc) without defaulting to sub-races.

In Fantasy Craft, they have "Talents" for human characters to take, they give a ability adjustment of some kind, and a few other things to add flavor (example: Agile +2 Dex, Base speed 30, and a few things to show the character being agile.) I was thinking about using something like this converted to PF to show a general talent the character has developed due to upbringing. This would help break up the static ability scores that all characters would begin with.
While the "Specialty" would be something derived from the Clan the belong to. The Specialty" gives class and skill bonuses and possibly a feat as well. This would show the difference between the clans and add even more flavor.
Ideas, comments, suggestions? Feedback as always very welcome.


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Oh damn, thanks for the vid Tels, laughed so hard I spooked the neighbors.


I've watched it 3 dozen or so times, and I still laugh my ass off.

Silver Crusade

I would be on that like a fat kid on a cupcake.


I think the dwarf only world cool concept. Although I have only once played a dwarf I like the race but never felt a real pull to play one.

As of the gnome and halfling hate . . . fie on you I say fie!;)


Tark of the Shoanti wrote:

At lunch today I was reading the new Neverwinter setting, and looking to convert it to PF when I came across the section on the big dwarven city and it got me thinking.

What would it be like to have a setting populated by various dwarven clans and dwarf-like races? Got me thinking about all different types of dwarves there are from like, Forgotten Realms, World of Warcraft, Dragon Age, but also from other books and novels even folklore and myth.
Anyone else think this is a interesting thing, would, if offered, anyone play in such a setting?

I love Playing dwarves! I would be over joyed to play in a campaigne like that!


Kazarath wrote:
mplindustries wrote wrote:
Dwarves are ugly and have ugly beards and I find nothing compelling about their racial stereotypes

I completely disagree. Dwarves are much more interesting then say, elves. Although I'm not a big fan of the 'drunken, axe-wielding moron' stereotype many people associate with them, they have a rich, fantastic legacy dating back to Norse Mythology.

In norse myth, elves were stupid little fairy people who danced around on hill tops and other such nonsense, while the dwarves were cunning, shapeshifting creatures of legend, unparalleled craftsmen that could even outwit the gods. In modern fantasy dwarves are stand offish traditionalists, but they have the wisdom of the deep earth and actually care about the greater world and the people who inhabit it. The elves, on the other hand, are isolated racists who only give a crap about anything if it involves an elf, and anything that isn't is beneath contempt.

As you can probably tell, I think dwarves are extremely unappreciated (and I'm not a big fan of elves).

I couldn't agree more Kazarath! You took the words right outta my mouth.

Dwarves are awsome and amazingly survivable. Elves are cool in pathfinder if you wanna play a wizard, period!


Elves also make good rangers, good rogues, and good bards.

Basically, if it involves dexterity, skills and not wearing lots of armor, elves are good at it.

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Two of my PCs are gnomes. One is a chaos gnome brass dragon shaman (wannabe consulting detective) and the other is a dark whisper gnome ninja (3.5 conversion). Dark creature is a fun template in the Tome of Magic that grants darkvision, cold resistance 10, +10 ft. of speed, and Hide in Plain Sight, plus a +6 or +8 racial bonus to Stealth....which really synergizes well with Sudden Strike.
My chaos gnome dragon shaman is an awesome diplomat. Gotta love a racial bonus to Charisma, Skill Focus Diplomacy, a Circlet of Persuasion, and a Cha boosting item. YUM!

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SmiloDan wrote:
[redacted crap about gnomes]

Get you gnomes out of here! This is a discussion of manly dwarves. That being said...

Dwarves are my favorite core race. Humans are a close second since the APG added replacement racial traits. I have played all the core classes as a dwarf and have had no complaints. My elemental (earth) sorcerer may not have been an optimal choice, but he was alot of fun.


Kazarath wrote:

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In norse myth, elves were stupid little fairy people who danced around on hill tops and other such nonsense, while the dwarves [...]

If I'm not mistaken, norse dwarves ARE a kind of elves (/alfr) (just look at Rheingold where a dwarf is named ALBerich)

(to be more precise, AFAIK dwarves are dark elves (svartalfr = black elves) in norse myth)
That fairy people stuff sounds more like celtic elves (/sidhe). And for them, they were far more badass in these days until Shakespeare and others used them for their flower faerie stuff ^^
SwnyNerdgasm wrote:
Kazarath wrote:
Also to those who say all dwarven woman are ugly, take a look at this
Oh I totally would, maybe three or four times

Nah, the way she looks you'd probably won't see her after the first time, just as your purse

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Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
SmiloDan wrote:
[redacted crap about gnomes]

Get you gnomes out of here! This is a discussion of manly dwarves. That being said...

Dwarves are my favorite core race. Humans are a close second since the APG added replacement racial traits. I have played all the core classes as a dwarf and have had no complaints. My elemental (earth) sorcerer may not have been an optimal choice, but he was alot of fun.

Aren't gnomes dwarf-lite? ;-)

I think a dwarf inquisitor or druid would be fun.


Dwarves are cool this is a fine suggestions that does not stop gnomes from ruling all.

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SmiloDan wrote:

Aren't gnomes dwarf-lite? ;-)

I think a dwarf inquisitor or druid would be fun.

I haven't been able to explore the new base classes much, as I mostly DM. And I don't have any dwarf players. Or gnome or elf or half-orc...

I wish more would be done on the Five Kings Mountains.


With the upcoming Races book, I wish I could get my grubby hands on it now, because I like a lot of what I am seeing in the teasers, and it would be a great help to me right now to have it to move along with the initial stages of developing "unique" dwarves.
Also, I am thinking more and more of breaking the usual set up for the "Christmas Tree" as it were. I am thinking about working in something somewhat similar to what they do in the Elder Scrolls games. The material that the weapons and armor are made from add properties and or special abilities perhaps. (still working on a mechanic system for this as well as a listing for various materials.)
I am refining the lore so far for the setting, as well as developing a map currently, well refining the map I should say.


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I know it might be too late to influence it, but I had a brilliant idea the other day, that if you don't use I probably will.

Maybe make the Derro one of the major villains. Re-skin them as 'the False Dwarves', twisted mockeries of true dwarves, made by some vile demon or god. They are 'made' in vast fleshforges deep in the bowels of the earth, where even the dwarves fear to tread. They despise themselves almost as much as they do true dwarves, and this self-loathing spurs their despicable and evil experiments. They have pioneered innumerable dark magics and vile devices, and their wizard-priests gather in secret cabals under dwarven cities to abduct innocents and spread disease and ruin. They seek not only to destroy the dwarves, but to become them, in the vain hope that they can achieve a semblance of normality. In truth, it is only the ravings of a race so intertwined with madness that they cannot separate fantasy from reality.......

EDIT: fixed some grammar.


Tels wrote:
Relevant Video.

Why was I not surprised to see Clinton Boomer's name in the credits?


Kazarath wrote:

I know it might be too late to influence it, but I had a brilliant idea the other day, that if you don't use I probably will.

Maybe make the Derro one of the major villains. Re-skin them as 'the False Dwarves', twisted mockeries of true dwarves, made by some vile demon or god. They are 'made' in vast fleshforges deep in the bowels of the earth, where even the dwarves fear to tread. They despise themselves almost as much as they do true dwarves, and this self-loathing spurs their despicable and evil experiments. They have pioneered innumerable dark magics and vile devices, and their wizard-priests gather in secret cabals under dwarven cities to abduct innocents and spread disease and ruin. They seek not only to destroy the dwarves, but to become them, in the vain hope that they can achieve a semblance of normality. In truth, it is only the ravings of a race so intertwined with madness that they cannot separate fantasy from reality.......

EDIT: fixed some grammar.

Interesting ideas there I do see something I could use thanks for the input.


I did run a short campaign for a small group of Dwarves.

All 4 PCs and the NPC were dwarves. Basically they were sent to repay a debt for a dwarven king to a human kingdom and did some adventuring based out of there. It was a good time.

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ZugZug wrote:

I did run a short campaign for a small group of Dwarves.

All 4 PCs and the NPC were dwarves. Basically they were sent to repay a debt for a dwarven king to a human kingdom and did some adventuring based out of there. It was a good time.

LOL @ "a short campaign!"

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