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Ok I posted this in another thread I will post it hear as a recap.

Ok I just got a email from... well lets just call them a reliable source of someone that would likely know and have no reason to lie. Below is quoted from the email on the record.

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For the moment Alluria is dead in the water. The quality of the books was simply to high; they didn't even come close to making back what they put into them, and basicly went bankrupt. If the money stream somehow comes in, Alluria will be back.

They said more off the record but because they said off the record I won't repeat what they said. Very sad to hear, but kinda what i expected. They had very high quality art and work on their books, I was kinda afraid of this. Anyways i thought I would pass this along to those that was interested.

I am going to try and see if I can get in contact with them and maybe talk them into trying a pledge drive for future products and to help recoup some of their loses.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Now I was finally able to get into contact with someone at Alluria Publishing. So far just kinda touching base but they are interested in a idea that would let them get back into publishing. I pitched a idea for a pledge drive to them. But if anyone else has any idea's feel free to post them. Plus I will post updates on what I find out here and hopefully get Alluria publishing to some post here as well. So if you want to see this company make it after the great products they made. Then go buy their products if you haven't yet and or post some idea's here.

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I'm up for making a pledge.

Aside from that, the only thing that comes to mind as another solution would be something akin to Sinister Adventure's Indulgences series. Very small products that would hopefully be cheap to produce, with re-used/no artwork. I'm not sure if that would actually help or if would be counterproductive though. And as for what those products would be...I'd like to see some expansion of their previous products such as Cerulean Seas, but it would probably be best to cast a wider net. Then again, cheap "intro" products for Cerulean Seas or their other larger products might be worth doing.

(I would actually buy Cerulean Seas again just to give them more money, but you can't buy multiple pdfs for yourself. Gift purchases however...)


I'd recommend a pledge or some other kind of kickstarter - perhaps one for a no art art/no maps, low cost series of pdfs to support Cerulean Seas and draw people in? I guess the excellent layout of the book is still viable for even small pdfs and should give an inkling of what they would be capable of...

Liberty's Edge

I will have a look at their products right now and see how I can fit buying some of them in my awfully tight budget.

Though these are financially difficult times for me, such praise from D_M, who is the very best reviewer on the boards IMHO, demands that I do what I can to support people who make high-quality products for the game we all love.

I urge all readers to do the same.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

I have ordered the complete Print & PDF offers by Alluria. I had those books on my radar for a long time, but never actually put them in my shopping cart. Also I'd certainly pitch in for a Kickstarter project.

Dark Archive

I would be tempted to buy a few of their books if they only offered them in print.IMO paying 20$ or more for a PDF is outrageous.

Liberty's Edge

Alluria Publishing has only recently come to my attention thanks to Mikaze's extreme generosity (again, thank you!). Still, I would hate for a company that has devoted so much effort into what seem to be great products to end up like this.

If there is any kind of pledge drive, I would definitely participate.

Dreamscarred Press

Man, that is a shame. I was impressed with Cerulean Seas, which was my first introduction to Alluria Publishing. The quantity and quality of art in the book, I can understand that it cost more than it made - that's a fine line between having too small an art budget and too large an art budget, and it can definitely bite you in both scenarios. I hope they're able to get back into the mix.


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bigkilla wrote:
I would be tempted to buy a few of their books if they only offered them in print.IMO paying 20$ or more for a PDF is outrageous.

Normally I keep my nose out of this but this statement confused me.

Cerulean Seas Campaign Setting Print-On-Demand

The PDF ($19.99) above is half the price of the print product ($39.99) which is standard pricing for the industry.

Its also a 290 page pdf, that's less than 7 cents a page for the PDF, a Pathifnder AP PDF by paizo is generally more than double that at 0.14 cents a page ($13.99 for 96 pages), so by my estimation their books are extremely cheap.

I just don't see it being anywhere near "outrageous", and they do offer them in print, perhaps you could explain your point of view, as I am just not seeing it.

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Rite Publishing wrote:
bigkilla wrote:
I would be tempted to buy a few of their books if they only offered them in print.IMO paying 20$ or more for a PDF is outrageous.

Normally I keep my nose out of this but this statement confused me.

Cerulean Seas Campaign Setting Print-On-Demand

The PDF ($19.99) above is half the price of the print product ($39.99) which is standard pricing for the industry.

Its also a 290 page pdf, that's less than 7 cents a page for the PDF, a Pathifnder AP PDF by paizo is generally more than double that at 0.14 cents a page ($13.99 for 96 pages), so by my estimation their books are extremely cheap.

I just don't see it being anywhere near "outrageous", and they do offer them in print, perhaps you could explain your point of view, as I am just not seeing it.

I would prefer not to buy a POD book from Rpgnow/drivethru as I have no clue on their quality. And even a 1000 page PDF for more than 5$ would be outrageous IMO, PDF's hold little to no value to me.


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The quality of Rpgnow/drivethru is extremely high, I use them for 101 New Skill Uses and Book of Monster Templates.

They are actually printed and shipped by Lightning Source who does a rather large amount of print products for the Indie Rpg Market. A number of RPG companies use them, including Open Design and Monte Cook.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

So, even an Ennie 2011 Nomination for "Best Electronic Product" and several glowing reviews (one even by Dark Mistress herself, plus one by the formidable Endzeiteist) give no indication for quality...

Is there more that can be done to give an indication for quality?

And if you meant printing quality, then be assured, I have bought lots of POD stuff. They have learnt a lot in these last three or four years.

Liberty's Edge

As soon as my wallet stops crying (there, there, little guy. The evil Point of Sale won't be touching you anymore) I'll be buying some of their pdfs.


I agree that shelling out 20 bucks for a pdf might look like a leap of faith, but for 290 pages? Full color? Top quality? I regret not a single cent of my Alluria purchases, especially Cerulean Seas is worth every cent and I stand by my rather glowing review of this being THE definite resource on underwater adventuring. And personally, Lightning source PODs have actually impressed me with their quality - nothing to complain there. I did print out the pdf in full color and had it bound at a local store in this particular instance and never regretted doing it. Just my 2 cents, of course. :)

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Oliver von Spreckelsen wrote:

So, even an Ennie 2011 Nomination for "Best Electronic Product" and several glowing reviews (one even by Dark Mistress herself, plus one by the formidable Endzeiteist) give no indication for quality...

Is there more that can be done to give an indication for quality?

And if you meant printing quality, then be assured, I have bought lots of POD stuff. They have learnt a lot in these last three or four years.

I do not read or put any stock in reviews.Something someone else likes might be something I dislike.To me things like punctuation or spelling mistakes make little to no difference in the quality of a product as long as I can understand what the point was.

I have had their Creepy Creatures book POD version in my want list at RPGnow for sometime now but I have been unwilling to make the purchase due to me not knowing or hearing anything on the print quality.

Dreamscarred Press

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bigkilla wrote:
I would prefer not to buy a POD book from Rpgnow/drivethru as I have no clue on their quality. And even a 1000 page PDF for more than 5$ would be outrageous IMO, PDF's hold little to no value to me.

While I can appreciate that to you personally, PDFs hold little value, please understand that if they were priced at $5 or less, then production value would also have to take a significant drop. Artwork and layout doesn't care if it's for print or PDF - the cost is still the same. And at $5 for a PDF, the publisher gets around $3.50 a copy (3.75 here at Paizo, 3.25 at RPGNow).

Cover art alone would mean that to break even, you'd have to sell dozens of copies. Add in the cost of additional interior artwork - typically in the $25-150 per color graphic range - and you're talking about needing to sell hundreds of copies just to break even at that price point. And if you pay for any other parts of the process - layout, editing, content, raise that volume needed further. That sort of profit on the printed book would make me balk when you're talking color and the higher cost of color graphics.

And don't overestimate the size of the 3PP market - selling over a hundred copies of anything is a success if you don't have the name recognition and distribution options of some of the bigger guys.

If you want a PDF for $5 or less, I would expect it to be under 50 pages with decent graphics - or over 50 pages with limited to no graphics. If you're getting better than that, you're getting a major value for the cost to produce.

Just to put things into perspective from someone who regularly spends money to produce RPGs and has had more than one unprofitable venture. :)

Dreamscarred Press

bigkilla wrote:
I have had their Creepy Creatures book POD version in my want list at RPGnow for sometime now but I have been unwilling to make the purchase due to me not knowing or hearing anything on the print quality.

I had Psionics Unleashed printed through RPGNow (proof to make it available for sale). The only difference I found in it from them vs from our normal printer was that the front cover was slightly higher in color saturation - which would not have been noticeable if I hadn't had both copies side by side.

The binding, paper, and printing quality were comparable to any other softcover RPG book you might find in a gaming store.


jeremy.smith wrote:


I had Psionics Unleashed printed through RPGNow (proof to make it available for sale). The only difference I found in it from them vs from our normal printer was that the front cover was slightly higher in color saturation - which would not have been noticeable if I hadn't had both copies side by side.

The binding, paper, and printing quality were comparable to any other softcover RPG book you might find in a gaming store.

If you enjoyed Psionics Unleashed, I think you'd like what Alluria had in the pipeline before some misfortune befell them. . .

Dark Mistress and others, I think the attention you are showing a Pathfinder PP speaks very well of the community that's cropped up around Paizo and their products, and, of course, I think it also speaks well of Alluria's production values, etc to have garnered such a response.

I mentioned this in the Xmas giveaway thread . . . but it is a damn cool community here.


Matthew AC wrote:
jeremy.smith wrote:


I had Psionics Unleashed printed through RPGNow (proof to make it available for sale). The only difference I found in it from them vs from our normal printer was that the front cover was slightly higher in color saturation - which would not have been noticeable if I hadn't had both copies side by side.

The binding, paper, and printing quality were comparable to any other softcover RPG book you might find in a gaming store.

If you enjoyed Psionics Unleashed, I think you'd like what Alluria had in the pipeline before some misfortune befell them. . .

Dark Mistress and others, I think the attention you are showing a Pathfinder PP speaks very well of the community that's cropped up around Paizo and their products, and, of course, I think it also speaks well of Alluria's production values, etc to have garnered such a response.

I mentioned this in the Xmas giveaway thread . . . but it is a damn cool community here.

Jeremy wrote Psionics Unleashed :)

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
The black raven wrote:
Though these are financially difficult times for me, such praise from D_M, who is the very best reviewer on the boards IMHO, demands that I do what I can to support people who make high-quality products for the game we all love.

I would say End is a far better reviewer than I am. Dawn and Az and others also do very good reviews. Thanks though, I will have to add you to my crazy list now and not the hehe crazy list but the Joker by Heath Ledger crazy list and then back away slowly.

note - As for update I fired off a second email to Alluria to let them know about this thread and what Mikaze did as well. So hopefully they will pop in sometime in the near future to take part as well.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
would say End is a far better reviewer than I am.

Wow. Thanks for the praise, though I wouldn't say that - I got into reviewing due to you. Right now, we have different styles that complement each other.

And yeah, Dawn, Alzrius, Gozuja and of course Megan Robertson all write excellent reviews as well!


Cheapy wrote:


Jeremy wrote Psionics Unleashed :)

Ha! So much for close reading. Um, well then, Jeremy likely knows what I am talking about.


Ahhh I was wondering what happened to them. I did 6 illustrations for Cerulean Seas. They also used 2 other illustrations that I had already done that they where going to buy from me. Then Cerulean Seas was released and I never heard from them again. I never got a single cent from them :[


That's sad to hear, because I bought every Remarkable Races book, Fey Folio, Creepy Creatures and Cerulean Seas, and I like these books.

I hope they get back on tracks...


As someone that did one complete book for Alluria and a a lot of the monsters for Cerulean seas, The out pouring of affection and concern is touching. Their head poured heart and soul into the books, and wanted them to be every bit as high quality as the core Paizo books. I am not sure if there was every any way to break even instead of broke..but it was a worthwhile company, and it was an honor to be a part of it..and when it rises again, I will be there to help


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Cerulean Seas was easily a benchmark book. It raised the bar in what a 3PP could release in that it contained gorgeous imagery, visually enticing layouts, crunch and fluff that all gelled so perfectly that just reading through it you could feel yourself swimming through the pages. I've introduced my copy to several gamer friends, and everyone of them was blown away to see that it was a small publisher that had released it.

Unfortunately, Cerulean Seas is also the warning book. In bringing so much to the table, it had to have had one costly debt standing behind itself to recoup just to break even, long before truly seeing profit. The large giants in the industry have the money to gamble on books as gorgeous as Alluria's, whereas many 3PP's are taking out mortgage's on their houses and praying.

Within my library I have a handful of Alluria's releases, and am pleased with all of them as solid additions to my game. It's a shame they have fallen to finances, and would be wonderful if the community could find a way to help them get back to doing what they obviously do very well.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Well it has been almost a month since I last heard from them. I am sending another email but at this point I am not going to hold my breath.

Liberty's Edge

Their fey book and remarkable races have been on my long-term shopping list. I'll have to see if I can accelerate the process.


I'm frankly a little confused by what Alluria has to offer. Going by what I found at RPG Now, they have 15 new races written up individually in two separate series -- Remarkable Races(4e) and Remarkable Races Pathway to Adventure (Pathfinder) -- then those same races are available in Compendiums, and have expansion sets.

I'll be honest, most of the racial names turned me off to the point where I didn't even read the description, and in one case where I did read further, the phrase "caterpillar people" was as far as I got. They sound more like space aliens (and I gather from Expansion Set II that some are) and I don't care to mix space opera with my fantasy.

I saw two entries in the Clever Classes series, but it's hard to imagine $14.95 for a single class writeup ($8.95 on sale) being a good value, so again, I didn't do more than skim the description.

The positive reaction their products seem to be getting from others here strongly suggest I'm being unfair in my woefully uninformed assessment. Set me straight. What am I missing?


Cerulean Seas.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Damon it is a few of their recent products that their game really jumped up. Cerulean Seas is the big one. Then Fey Folio and Creepy Creatures where both pretty good. But Cerulean was just outstanding.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Damon it is a few of their recent products that their game really jumped up. Cerulean Seas is the big one. Then Fey Folio and Creepy Creatures where both pretty good. But Cerulean was just outstanding.

Right, sorry. I knew that was theirs. I was thinking that I must be missing something attractive about the products I listed; that's what I meant to ask.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Ah, well cost I imagine is due to art. i don't have any of the books you mentioned but the other ones I do have. All have high quality original art, which is pretty expensive. Which is why they also went bankrupt.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Ah, well cost I imagine is due to art. i don't have any of the books you mentioned but the other ones I do have. All have high quality original art, which is pretty expensive. Which is why they also went bankrupt.

Yeah even at 15-20 dollars a page art can take a huge chunk out of a book.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Ok I just got a reply from them. I am asking if I can just post the reply up here. I will give a few points mentioned that I feel I can give.

1) Something else has happened to hurt the company as well.
2) Several products are close to being finished but just need a little more work to get out the door.
3) Those still involved in the company are trying very hard to get the company going again and at the very least these last products out their door for people.

I am going to try and get Emily to start posting on this thread if I can. She is who I have been emailing with.

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I just got a reply from them that I can post up the email so here it is.

Emily wrote:

The main issue is that our executive director is out of commission due to health reasons, likely permanently. Being a small company, that is a fairly heavy blow. However, the rest of us are trying to get Alluria back on track, and we have a few near completed products that just need a little TLC to finish up and get out there. In the mean time, just spread the good word. Also we are willing to take submissions for new material. You can spread the word on that as well. We will see what we can do to pull this together.

Thanks,
Emily Kubisz
Alluria Publishing

Ok I responded suggesting they do a kick start program. I am using random numbers to make a point. Say it cost 1000 to finish each of the books. So set up a donation for each book and stagger their releases so they are not asking for money for all of them at once. The donation groups would be.

5 dollar - just a donation to help out.
10 dollar - a free PDF of finished book.
25 dollars - free beta PDF now and ability to give feedback and a finished PDF when it is done.
50 dollars - same as the 25 dollar one but name gets listed as a special thanks.

Now the above is just me randomly making stuff up so if others have better suggestions now would be a good time to bring them up.

DM


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I can't give financial aid, but I'd be willing to help write/touch up materiel for free to help them get back into business.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Well what I am trying to suggest is they offer some free samples of the up coming products. Then if someone likes it, and thinks they would buy it. Then no reason not to donate as that gets you the PDF anyways if you donate enough. Hopefully then everyone wins.

But if you are interested in helping out with writing, editing etc. Post up a email here and I will pass along your email and what your offer is to them. Perhaps they can use the help. I honestly don't know what all work still needs done. We are not that far along in talking about this yet.


samhammondmaclay@gmail.com

I'm headed off to Job Corps next month, so the time in which I'm available in limited, but I'll do what I can in the week or two I have to help them out.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

K, I sent the email to them and CCed you on it.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

So far two people have offered to donate time into helping out. Just keeping people updated.


I've made a few homebrewed animus subraces... I could post them here if you guys wish.


JiCi wrote:
I've made a few homebrewed animus subraces... I could post them here if you guys wish.

Sure love to see them


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JiCi wrote:
I've made a few homebrewed animus subraces... I could post them here if you guys wish.
Sure love to see them

Alrighty then !

PERCIFORME (FISH) TRAITS
+2 Wisdom, -2 Intelligence: Perciforme anumi have a keen instinct, but are known to be somewhat dim-witted.
Hold Breath: An perciforme anumus can hold its breath for a number of rounds equal to four times its Constitution score before it risks drowning, and this duration is not reduced by taking standard actions.
Bestial Reflexes: Perciforme anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against area attacks with the electricity, fire, or light descriptors.
Great Swimmers: Perciforme anumi gain a +4 racial bonus to all Swim skill checks.

BOVINE (CATTLE) TRAITS
+2 Wisdom, -2 Intelligence: Bovine anumi have a keen instinct, but are known to be somewhat simplistic.
Enhanced Speed: Bovine anumi have a base speed of 40 feet. This speed is never modified by armor or encumbrance.
Bestial Fortitude: Bovine anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against disease and poison.
Rushing Charge: When making a charge attack, a bovine anumus may make both a bull rush and a basic melee attack (in that order). Other rules for charging and bull rush apply normally.

PRIMATE (MONKEY) TRAITS
+2 Intelligence, -2 Wisdom: Primate anumi are smart, sometimes better than humans, but their curiosity mostly gets the better of them.
Bestial Reflexes: Primate anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against area attacks with the electricity, fire, or light descriptors.
Great Climbers: Primate anumi gain a +4 racial bonus to all Climb skill checks.
Contortionist: Primate anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on Escape Artist skill checks. In addition, they can move through a tight space without having to make an Escape Artist skill check.

MUSTILID (WEASEL) TRAITS
+2 Charisma, -2 Wisdom: Mustilid anumi have a friendly demeanour, but their curiosity mostly gets the better of them.
Bestial Fortitude: Mustilid anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against disease and poison.
Great Climbers: Mustilid anumi gain a +4 racial bonus to all Climb skill checks.
Improved Grapple: Mustilid anumi receive Improved Grapple as a bonus feat at 1st level, even if they do not meet the prerequisites.

CAMELID (CAMEL) TRAITS
+2 Wisdom, -2 Charisma: Camelid anumi have a keen instinct, but are known to be rude.
Enhanced Speed: Camelid anumi have a base speed of 40 feet. This speed is never modified by armor or encumbrance.
Bestial Fortitude: Camelid anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against disease and poison.
Heat Resistance: Camelid anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against heat and fire effects.

PACHYDERM (ELEPHANT) TRAITS
+2 Wisdom, -2 Intelligence: Pachyderm anumi are known for having a good memory, but not a keen mind.
Bestial Fortitude: Pachyderm anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against disease and poison.
Rushing Charge: When making a charge attack, a pachyderm anumus may make both a bull rush and a basic melee attack (in that order). Other rules for charging and bull rush apply normally.
Pachyderm Resilience: A Pachyderm anumus may reroll a failed Fortitude save. This trait is used as an immediate action after the first save is attempted, but before the results are revealed by the GM. The anumus must take the second result, even if it is worse.

CETACEAN (DOLPHIN) TRAITS
+2 Intelligence, -2 Wisdom: Cetacean anumi are quite smart, but sometimes too trusting.
Bestial Fortitude: Cetacean anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against disease and poison.
Hold Breath: A cetacean anumus can hold its breath for a number of rounds equal to four times its Constitution score before it risks drowning, and this duration is not reduced by taking standard actions.
Great Swimmers: Cetacean anumi gain a +4 racial bonus to all Swim skill checks.

PINNIPED (SEAL) TRAITS
+2 Charisma, -2 Wisdom: Pinniped anumi have a regal bearing, but sometimes too quick to act without a thought.
Hold Breath: An pinniped anumus can hold its breath for a number of rounds equal to four times its Constitution score before it risks drowning, and this duration is not reduced by taking standard actions.
Bestial Reflexes: Pinniped anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against area attacks with the electricity, fire, or light descriptors.
Great Swimmers: Pinniped anumi gain a +4 racial bonus to all Swim skill checks.

CERVID (DEER) TRAITS
+2 Charisma, -2 Intelligence: Cervid anumi have a keen instinct, but are known to be rude.
Enhanced Speed: Cervid anumi have a base speed of 40 feet. This speed is never modified by armor or encumbrance.
Bestial Fortitude: Cervid anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against disease and poison.
Bestial Reflexes: Cervid anumi receive a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against area attacks with the electricity, fire, or light descriptors.

That's it people.

BTW, if you want to make new subraces, here's a few that could need it:
- Squole: the Smoke Squole is mentioned but not developed.
- Entobian: there's a bunch of insects that could be modeled for the metamorphosis, like bees, mantises, ladybugs, even spiders and scorpions.
- Oakling: "Oak" is all but one tree type, we could go with a few other types as well.

Just a few ideas, cheers !


Bump ?

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Nice work, I personally haven't heard anything more from Alluria. If I do I will post it up here.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Nice work, I personally haven't heard anything more from Alluria. If I do I will post it up here.

And in the meantime, I'll keep this topic up so people can know about Alluria's situation.


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Ok. I know this is long overdue. We are going to try a kick starter campaign to try to get back on track. I (Emily) am taking over the Alluria accounts and am working towards getting everything back in gear. I will post a link to the kick starter campaign as soon as it is up.

Grand Lodge

I certainly understand the difficulties they are facing. I'm a one-man outfit with delusions of grandeur myself. I hate to hear the ED is having poor health (prayers his/her way). Finding time to actually set aside and produce something to the quality you know you want is amazingly difficult.

Please keep us updated and I would be happy to do anything I can to help (kickstarter donation, editing, writing, cheering from the sidelines whatever you guys need).

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