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Another over word count entry--truly unbelievable


RPG Superstar™ 2012 General Discussion

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I would submit that it's not that everyone will be able to do it, it's that people choose not to.

Then again, I rarely submit anything on any sort of message board without hitting the preview button compulsively.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32 , Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014 aka Epic Meepo

Clark Peterson wrote:
Just wait till we announce the top 32. Every year there is the "one guy" who accuses us of bias and goes all crazy on the forums. Happens every year. Though sometimes it takes until the "critique my item" thread for it to rear its head when "that guy" has to read that his (or her) item was not actually that close to making the top 32. :)

If I were able to use an alias in the Superstar forums, I would totally be posting as That One Guy right now. :P

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Marathon Voter 2013

I have to admit, I love the energy and enthusiasm I've seen on all sides of RPG Superstar.

I especially love seeing it from the judges, such as Clark. The posts that he, the other judges, and past contestants have made all contain a wonderful mixture of expectation and hope -- including the rants.

The energy I see tells me several things, such as 1) people take RPG Superstar seriously. This is not a joke, or a foregone conclusion by any means; and 2) the judges actually WANT you to enter and impress them with your creativity and design talents.

How often is there a contest where the judges specifically tell you what NOT to do, let alone draw you the best path to success?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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We here at Paizo take RPG Superstar as seriously as we take hiring an employee. Because, to a certain extent, that's what RPG Superstar is. A long, complicated, fun, public job interview.


Honestly, most word processors have the word count displayed as you type. There's no real excuse. Thinking over the list of items, I can't think of an item that even approaches the 300 word limit.

Man if it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't even had known about this contest.
(scurries off to write submission)

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014

What's the record, out of curiosity, for longest submitted item? (And shortest as well.)

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The shortest ones are probably the entries the tech team makes for testing. This year's was the Thing of Testing All the Things (11 words):

This thing test all the things! It real good. And shiny!

Ross submitted the Stick of Poking last year (17 words):

It's a length of wood, sharpened at one end. Either end can be used to poke things.

The first item ever submitted was The Magical Cat Litter Box of Stinky Cleansing (3 words):

It cleans itself!!@!!

Taldor RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka primemover003

If it wasn't completely mean spirited I'd almost want to see a thread or blog of the "Worst of RPG Superstar round 1!" It'd be like the episodes showcasing the intentionally bad singers that try to get on American Idol.

--Vrock bottom

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:


If someone can't follow the incredibly easy-to-understand 300-word rule for R1, that's unbelievable. And by submitting their too-long item, they're wasting my time. They're spending extra time to waste my time on something that'll never advance. So, like seeing the guy who shows up for the American Idol audition and does a mime performance, yeah, the judges are gonna vent a bit, because we're reviewing submissions on our own time, during a holiday.

BTW, one person submitted an item this week that was over 500 words. Really.

I work Help Desk. The first time you discover that someone doesn't follow obvious easy to read instructions is unbelievable.

After awhile though, when you realise that such facts are the common denominator, you come to expect that it's the routine and inevitable result of an information overloaded society. Most people don't retain much of what they don't have a personal connection to. Submission rules don't really qualify.

Not that I'm condoning the condition, but when you work Help Desk, you've come to realize that getting worked up over every such silly thing is a stress ticket to an early unpleasant end.

Qadira Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014 aka Shadowborn

Scott Fernandez wrote:

If it wasn't completely mean spirited I'd almost want to see a thread or blog of the "Worst of RPG Superstar round 1!" It'd be like the episodes showcasing the intentionally bad singers that try to get on American Idol.

--Vrock bottom

I wouldn't, because I'm pretty sure my submission would be featured. Looking back, I can only think that I came down with a serious case of mediocrity compounded by an attack of stupidity.


Shadowborn wrote:
I wouldn't, because I'm pretty sure my submission would be featured. Looking back, I can only think that I came down with a serious case of mediocrity compounded by an attack of stupidity.

Awesome seems to devolve to mediocre stupidity once you've taken a glance at something you've built a few months down the road.

Perception or reality? Both?


Scott Fernandez wrote:
If it wasn't completely mean spirited I'd almost want to see a thread or blog of the "Worst of RPG Superstar round 1!"

Well, it would be completely mean-spirited. Hence, I infer you don't actually want such a thing.

Which is good, because it would be a major disincentive to trying again. If you've given it one go and had your item publicly trashed, why risk the humiliation?

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka Hodge Podge

I'd say that it would be neat, with the authors' permissions, to see a thread of a selection of the "almost made it"s with tips on what they could have done to step their game up a notch.

Founder, Legendary Games & Publisher, Necromancer Games, RPG Superstar Judge

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Tinalles wrote:
Which is good, because it would be a major disincentive to trying again. If you've given it one go and had your item publicly trashed, why risk the humiliation?

ALL submissions are confidential. In fact, the very fact that you have submitted at all is itself confidential unless you choose to reveal it.

The only people who get any feedback or see their (edited) critiques are those who willingly request it.

So your decision to submit an item as well as the judges thoughts on said item will never be revealed unless you want to reveal it and ask for it to be revealed.

In short: there is no downside. Give it a try!


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I'm totally on-board with word count limits and their purpose, but I'm suddenly reminded of the infamous stories of bands making really weird/specific demands on their venue requirements just to see if the people managing the venue are paying attention. The most well-known of these is Van Halen asking for a bowl of M&Ms with the brown ones removed. The one time they let someone get by without fulfilling that part of the rider, the stage collapsed under them because it couldn't handle the weight of their equipment.

Taldor RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka primemover003

Correct I'm not really advocating for a Worst of Thread/Blog... but like a train wreck sometimes you just can't help but watch (or in this case think about it). I'm sure some people have submitted joke items just to see if they'd get a rise out of the judges. It'd be those I'd like to see more than just plain poorly designed or broken items.

Something crazy like a Left-handed Flumph Scrubber.

Qadira Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014 aka Shadowborn

ThatEvilGuy wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
I wouldn't, because I'm pretty sure my submission would be featured. Looking back, I can only think that I came down with a serious case of mediocrity compounded by an attack of stupidity.

Awesome seems to devolve to mediocre stupidity once you've taken a glance at something you've built a few months down the road.

Perception or reality? Both?

I think the other two items I've submitted in years past were good. Thanks to judge's critique and the threads here I know why they aren't superstar. But year one...yeah, that one was just lame. Really didn't think that one through.

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BTW, from the "it's so obvious you should know better" department:

If, when previewing your entry, you notice that it's over the word count, don't trim required elements like the word "Cost" or the words "Craft Wondrous Item" to make it fit the word count.

Neil will notice that sort of thing. :)

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

Indeed. >(

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor

Does Craft_Wondrous_Item count as one word or three?

Qadira Star Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014

For that matter can we just underscore everything and have a one word submission? ;)

Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

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Hey all, hoping you all had a good holiday and those of you working managed some fun too.

I dont get to reply as often as I like to threads, but one item caught my eye asking why you would risk public humiliation.

This got me a tad cross.

It's not humiliation. It's constructive feedback.

I have entered every year and most years were brave enough to post my item to the feedback threads - I believe whole heartedly that the feedback I got was invaluable, including feedback on the other brave souls like myself who put their item out there.

I have never ever seen a post that ridicules an entry, every single one of them points out where an item fell foul. We all learn from each other and THAT is what makes this competion so enjoyable and unique.

So why do it?

Easy. Without feedback, I cannot grow as a designer. This many years into the competition, I now look back at my first ever attempt and think "Oh my god, what was I thinking?". I hope this means I have gotten better.

Then there is the other side of the coin...

Many, many times Clark (and others) has iterated that working in the business means deadlines, schedules, requirements lists, specifications and restrictions that simply have to be adhered to if you want to carry on working in the business.

This competition, albeit fun, imposes such restrictions to test your professionalism and ability to follow instructions, to read requirements and fulfill those items that have to be followed.

It's not rocket science.

So there you go, a big tuppence ha'penny of support for the competition, the judges and the rules (which are posted and easy to look up from the competition main page).

Anyway, rare cross rant over. Enjoy the competition and cheer on your favourites once they top winners are announced. And dont forget, if you entered, you are a winner, maybe nota top winner but still a winner.

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32 , Dedicated Voter 2013, Star Voter 2014 aka Standback

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@Anthony: I'm pretty sure the "public humiliation" line was referring to the idea of a "Worst of RPG Superstar" thread by the judges, which Scott F suggested in jest. And that's absolutely correct - it's one thing to provide feedback (particularly on request), and quite another to single out hilarious howlers for public entertainment.

I'm sure you see the difference here - Tinalles was talking about actual humiliation and ridicule, not implying that anybody with public negative feedback is being humiliated.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 , Star Voter 2013

Tinalles wrote:
Scott Fernandez wrote:
If it wasn't completely mean spirited I'd almost want to see a thread or blog of the "Worst of RPG Superstar round 1!"

Well, it would be completely mean-spirited. Hence, I infer you don't actually want such a thing.

Which is good, because it would be a major disincentive to trying again. If you've given it one go and had your item publicly trashed, why risk the humiliation?

Have you ever watched* reality TV? Lots of people think they're hot, when they're told over and over again that they have no talent.

What always blows me away is the people who get constructive criticism from the judges, and then get all upset.

*

Spoiler:
Donna was big on reality TV. I never liked the auditions since even though these people weren't ashamed to show they had no talent I felt embarressed to watch them. Finally she'd just DVR the audition episodes and watch when I wasn't around.


Scott Fernandez wrote:
Something crazy like a Left-handed Flumph Scrubber.

*Sigh* So much for that idea. Thought I was on to something...

Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

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Benicio Del Espada wrote:
Scott Fernandez wrote:
Something crazy like a Left-handed Flumph Scrubber.
*Sigh* So much for that idea. Thought I was on to something...

I'm right handed too - shame he didnt create one for us.

Founder, Legendary Games & Publisher, Necromancer Games, RPG Superstar Judge

Guys, you will not believe it. We just had a 1137 word entry.

Seriously.

1137 words.

I am in awe of its sheer rules violation-y-ness. It is resplendent in its auto-rejection glory. Never before has an item so truly achieved auto-rejection.

Of course, in keeping with nearly all over word-count items, it has way more problems than just being over word count. It fails to use the template properly. It fails to include price or construction requirements. But in omitting those key words, it manages to include not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5 but SIX paragraphs of backstory (which, at least, they put at the end rather than the beginning, not that that actually makes it OK). It also included many grammar mistakes.

And I was shocked when we had a 500+ item earlier this contest. This one eclipses that by a long shot. This is nearly 4 times the max word count. Crazy.


Sounds like you just got trolled. I bet it was a katana.

Qadira

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Clark Peterson wrote:

Guys, you will not believe it. We just had a 1137 word entry.

I do wonder if they were aiming for 1337 and miscounted.

Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

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Oh dear god. I really feel for you judges.

That almost smacks of done on purpose for some weird and unknown reason.

I hope not. But one does wonder.

Star Voter 2013, Dedicated Voter 2014

Clark Peterson wrote:

Guys, you will not believe it. We just had a 1137 word entry.

Seriously.

1137 words.

Crud. Double checked my copy of my entry.

I thought it weird that the word counter said "point-seven". I figured the BBC code must not count as whole words.
Here I sit, thinking I was doing great with half the word count and had to keep adding more awesome only to find out my screen needed cleaning :P

Spoiler:
just kidding. Clark speaks not of my entry. I have worked too hard to miss Top 32 on a technicality. (I will miss it on mojo-less-ness instead :)


In my failed *sob* attempt to beat the submission clock I was typing directly into the text entry box and checking with the 'preview' button, but I didn't see any word count indicator. Was I not seeing it or Opera not displaying it? For next year, how about setting up something similar to the feedback/question forms on various websites, with separate fields for Title, etc, and a character/word limit counter that updates as you type (unless it was there per ^, in which case nevermind).

Contributor

When you hit Preview, the word count is listed after you're item's name in the subject line, like this fake utterfail entry from last year: LINK


Sean K Reynolds wrote:
When you hit Preview, the word count is listed after you're item's name in the subject line, like this fake utterfail entry from last year: LINK

It was wrong because it dealt with a single-timeline theory of time travel, right?

geez, i could do this judge thing in my sleep [/kidding]

seriously, though, one of my greatest fears was getting rejected based on something like word count or formatting. I probably spent more time previewing my item and checking it for errors than i did making the dang thing... and it took me days to finalize it!

Qadira Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014 aka Shadowborn

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
When you hit Preview, the word count is listed after you're item's name in the subject line, like this fake utterfail entry from last year: LINK

One day, Sean, your character will be totally killed by that sword.


I'm a little worried that I didn't change my avi name in time. If I changed my avi name after submitting am I ok?

Contributor

Avi name?


Avatar. Really I should say screen name. I registered on the site a while ago as a customer. I lurked a bit but never posted. So I didn't know my screen name was my own until after I submitted. I saw that you aren't supposed to use your real name.

Cheliax

Kaanyr Vhok wrote:
Avatar. Really I should say screen name. I registered on the site a while ago as a customer. I lurked a bit but never posted. So I didn't know my screen name was my own until after I submitted. I saw that you aren't supposed to use your real name.

You're not supposed to type your name or any way of indicating who you are into the submission form.

You are supposed to make sure you are using your real name for your account name in your account settings; your avatar name has no bearing on this unless you enter it into any of the submission forms since each submission is anonymous for this round.

Hope this clears things up for you. (I use my real name for most forum posts, this is completely OK.)


Ok that clears it

Andoran

Clark Peterson wrote:

Guys, you will not believe it. We just had a 1137 word entry.

Seriously.

1137 words.

I am in awe of its sheer rules violation-y-ness. It is resplendent in its auto-rejection glory. Never before has an item so truly achieved auto-rejection.

Of course, in keeping with nearly all over word-count items, it has way more problems than just being over word count. It fails to use the template properly. It fails to include price or construction requirements. But in omitting those key words, it manages to include not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5 but SIX paragraphs of backstory (which, at least, they put at the end rather than the beginning, not that that actually makes it OK). It also included many grammar mistakes.

And I was shocked when we had a 500+ item earlier this contest. This one eclipses that by a long shot. This is nearly 4 times the max word count. Crazy.

Like a train wreck I really want to see this item!

Founder, Legendary Games & Publisher, Necromancer Games, RPG Superstar Judge

Azoun The Sage wrote:


Like a train wreck I really want to see this item!

I know, so did I!

I heard from Neil that we had one but I couldnt find it. So I asked Vic/Ross/Gary to link me to it because I had to see it, too.

It was truly amazing.

Andoran

Teasing me! So foul! Now it's like a train wreck on the highway, 35 car pile up, and just throw in a plane for the hell of it! O the torture!

Unless this wonderful contestant decides to later place it in the critic my item aftermath thread!

crosses fingers


Clark Peterson wrote:
Azoun The Sage wrote:


Like a train wreck I really want to see this item!

I know, so did I!

I heard from Neil that we had one but I couldnt find it. So I asked Vic/Ross/Gary to link me to it because I had to see it, too.

It was truly amazing.

Ah, so Orcus is attempting to add Teasing/Taunting to his divine portfolio?


Scott Fernandez wrote:

Correct I'm not really advocating for a Worst of Thread/Blog... but like a train wreck sometimes you just can't help but watch (or in this case think about it). I'm sure some people have submitted joke items just to see if they'd get a rise out of the judges. It'd be those I'd like to see more than just plain poorly designed or broken items.

Something crazy like a Left-handed Flumph Scrubber.

Damn! NOW what am I going to submit in 2013?

Edit: Wasn't the first who thought of this. Damn.


oudeis wrote:
In my failed *sob* attempt to beat the submission clock I was typing directly into the text entry box and checking with the 'preview' button, but I didn't see any word count indicator. Was I not seeing it or Opera not displaying it? For next year, how about setting up something similar to the feedback/question forms on various websites, with separate fields for Title, etc, and a character/word limit counter that updates as you type (unless it was there per ^, in which case nevermind).

On my browser the preview appeared as SKR's example but it put the line with my name and time at the top of the screen, such that I had to scroll up to see my item name and word count.

Shadow Lodge Star Voter 2013, Dedicated Voter 2014

An RL example was used to explain why something was taboo, using an example from RL. One overlong entry (with identifying info removed) could illustrate the point.


Vic Wertz wrote:
Chris A Jackson wrote:
Maybe there should be an auto "flag" page for people who submit over word count entries. Something like "Hey. Can't you count?" Might turn on some otherwise unlit light bulbs.

I actually appreciate that the word count issue helps eliminate people who either can't read the rules or don't choose to follow them. We don't need either of those types working with us as freelancers, after all.

In the first couple of years, we didn't even *have* a word counter on the submission tool—the main reason we created one was so that the judges didn't have to run the word counts themselves after they'd come up with a pool of potential candidates.

Back then, being over word count was one of the last things that would get you eliminated; now it's the first. And I'm ok with that.

I have never been able to find the word count amount by using the preview button on paizo.


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wraithstrike wrote:
I have never been able to find the word count amount by using the preview button on paizo.

It's not on ordinary posts, only on RPG Superstar entries.


I know.
I just read the post that shows it by the title(for the Superstar Contest). I was under 250 so I was safe this year, but next year, if I need to enter I will know where to look.

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