"Wonderous" Items vs. "Wondrous" Items


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Remember, too, that you most likely cannot "enchant" a wondrous item, because the item is mindless and is hence immune to spells from the school of Enchantment.

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Captain Brittannica wrote:
Now, really, Mr Spicer, I must protest at this abuse of her Majesty's great language. If you colonial types will insist on flaunting your inability to spell properly, that is one thing, but insisting, nay, demanding that the loyal servants of Ablion must participate in this debasement of our beautiful mother tongue is simply not acceptable. If this keeps up, I shall write a stern letter to the Times about it. You just see if I don't.
"We won a war so we wouldn't have to spell 'color' with a 'u.'" --Erik Mona

My wife is British (English to be specific) but obtained her US Citizenship just a few months ago. I'm going to tell her that she's been given an exciting opportunity to spell correctly.

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I'm sure that'll go over just swimmingly, Jim.

Why don't we have a sarcasm tag on the messageboards?


Captain Brittannica wrote:
insisting, nay, demanding that the loyal servants of Ablion must participate in this debasement of our beautiful mother tongue is simply not acceptable.

Albion?

Captain Brittannica wrote:
Dashed underhand.

Dashedly underhanded.


Stuffy Grammarian wrote:
Captain Brittannica wrote:
insisting, nay, demanding that the loyal servants of Ablion must participate in this debasement of our beautiful mother tongue is simply not acceptable.

Albion?

Captain Brittannica wrote:
Dashed underhand.

Dashedly underhanded.

Albion, madam. This sceptred isle. This green and pleasant land. This England.

I shall accept your rebuke over my grammatical inexactitude. I have been on these forums so long, the colonials' poor practice is starting to affect me.

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Of course, the English of the British Isles is no older than that of the US, though Brits would like to claim it as the original language of Shakeespeare and Chaucer. Nay, the U in color was added to sound more French...why anyone from the British Isles would want that is beyond me, after all, you fought each other for over 100 years...

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This is all Webster's fault...

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Bruno Kristensen wrote:
Of course, the English of the British Isles is no older than that of the US, though Brits would like to claim it as the original language of Shakeespeare and Chaucer. Nay, the U in color was added to sound more French...why anyone from the British Isles would want that is beyond me, after all, you fought each other for over 100 years...

Everyone knows that for correct English you look to Canada not the UK or the US...

*shakes fist* Aluminium! Aloooominy-um!


Captain Brittannica wrote:
Albion, madam. This sceptred isle. This green and pleasant land. This England.

Indeed, sir, I am well-familiar with Albion. It was "Ablion," of which you spoke, about which I was uncertain.


Stuffy Grammarian wrote:
Captain Brittannica wrote:
Albion, madam. This sceptred isle. This green and pleasant land. This England.
Indeed, sir, I am well-familiar with Albion. It was the "Ablion" of which you spoke about which I was ignorant.

Blasted colonial software, sabotaging a true Englishman like that!


Robert Hawkshaw wrote:
*shakes fist* Aluminium! Aloooominy-um!

Four syllables ain't enough for you, bub? Talk about your sense of entitlement!

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Ah I remember the days of usenet, where, with the certainess of the seasons themselves, we'd eventually get...

"Why are all you people spelling color and armor funny?"


Matthew Morris wrote:

Ah I remember the days of usenet, where, with the certainess of the seasons themselves, we'd eventually get...

"Why are all you people spelling color and armor funny?"

Well, if you'd learn to spell them correctly, you wouldn't have to be constantly reminded of your failings, would you?


I suppose that adding random "u"s to words that don't need them is no more goofy than spelling "later" using 2 letters and a numeral -- which is what the kids on both sides of the pond are now doing.

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Captain Brittannica wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Ah I remember the days of usenet, where, with the certainess of the seasons themselves, we'd eventually get...

"Why are all you people spelling color and armor funny?"

Well, if you'd learn to spell them correctly, you wouldn't have to be constantly reminded of your failings, would you?

Paraphrasing BASF "Here in the US we don't make the English Language. We make the English Language better." ;-)

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Bruno Kristensen wrote:
Of course, the English of the British Isles is no older than that of the US, though Brits would like to claim it as the original language of Shakeespeare and Chaucer. Nay, the U in color was added to sound more French...why anyone from the British Isles would want that is beyond me, after all, you fought each other for over 100 years...

"Surrender? Do you think this 'U' in my armour stands for FRANCE?" - Captain Brittanica. ;-)

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Neil Spicer wrote:
Captain Brittannica wrote:
Now, really, Mr Spicer, I must protest at this abuse of her Majesty's great language.

My apologies Captain Needa...

** spoiler omitted **

You've got it backwards, Neil. Its "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" as you step over his lifeless recently force-choked body. YOU don't apologize to HIM. :)

Remember, force choke is your friend.

Welcome to the dark side! Moohahahahaha! (Sorry just warming up for my much anticipated playing of Star Wars The Old Republic which has early access here in a couple days and my guild is Empire aligned)


Clark Peterson wrote:
Neil Spicer wrote:
Captain Brittannica wrote:
Now, really, Mr Spicer, I must protest at this abuse of her Majesty's great language.

My apologies Captain Needa...

** spoiler omitted **

You've got it backwards, Neil. Its "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" as you step over his lifeless recently force-choked body. YOU don't apologize to HIM. :)

Remember, force choke is your friend.

Welcome to the dark side! Moohahahahaha! (Sorry just warming up for my much anticipated playing of Star Wars The Old Republic which has early access here in a couple days and my guild is Empire aligned)

My dear Orcus,

who do you think invented the force choke? The gentleman who played, but did not voice, Darth Vader was English. We have been on the Dark Side for far longer than you can possibly imagine. Why do you think so many British actors play the villain in your movies?


Captain Brittannica wrote:
Why do you think so many British actors play the villain in your movies?

I attribute it to Christopher Lee envy.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
Captain Brittannica wrote:
Why do you think so many British actors play the villain in your movies?
I attribute it to Christopher Lee envy.

Lee-nus envy? Wonderous!


Captain Brittannica wrote:

My dear Orcus,

who do you think invented the force choke? The gentleman who played, but did not voice, Darth Vader was English. We have been on the Dark Side for far longer than you can possibly imagine. Why do you think so many British actors play the villain in your movies?

I would say they play villains in our movies because with their accents, it makes no sense to have them play the good guy.

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Neil Spicer wrote:

I'm sure that'll go over just swimmingly, Jim.

Why don't we have a sarcasm tag on the messageboards?

I was just joining in with the message board fun, Neil. No need for sarcasm tags here. She's much smarter, talented, and educated than I'll ever be. :)

The personal truth is that her talent for writing and languages far exceeds my own, and if I were to be crass enough to actually do that, it would be just absurd. She can speak two languages and read and write in four, including Greek and Hebrew, and obtained her Master's degree in the United States. Prior to that she was a tech-writer for US and British companies for 15 years. I'm very proud of her.

I talk tough, Neil, but I'm not really a mean-spirited person. Perhaps I try too hard. :)

I respectfully return to lurking.

EDIT: And that isn't anything against you. No hard feelings at all. I'm just not good at keeping my foot out of my mouth.


Captain Brittannica wrote:

My dear Orcus,

who do you think invented the force choke? The gentleman who played, but did not voice, Darth Vader was English. We have been on the Dark Side for far longer than you can possibly imagine. Why do you think so many British actors play the villain in your movies?

That man was not the voice of Darth Vader. When you think of Ultimate Badass of Evil, you see Darth Vader and hear his voice, which will haunt you until you lose your hearing and eyesight, and long after you have forgotten all the details of the body. Indeed, that voice will mock you because you can never, NEVER match its epicness.

And I am proud to say that I am from the same country as that brilliant, BRILLIANT man that gave the Galaxy's most epic badass his voice, James Earl Jones.

Captain Brittannica:
And you hear a chant of "U-S-A! U-S-A!..." as you lie their trying to sleep. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


The US and A keeps spelling incorrectly. No surprise there. Some years ago, the country was not able to come to a conclusion as to who was to become their president, at which point the british queen, her royal highness Elizabeth II, may the lord keep her, in her wisdom, sent the previously rebellious colony a letter whereby she rightfully reinstated british rule. She specifically made it known that aluminium and its spelling was one of the changes that would be made and enforced.

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Captain Brittannica wrote:

My dear Orcus,

who do you think invented the force choke? The gentleman who played, but did not voice, Darth Vader was English. We have been on the Dark Side for far longer than you can possibly imagine. Why do you think so many British actors play the villain in your movies?

If Dave Prowse were truly on the dark side, he wouldn't help kids cross the street safely—he'd force-push them in front of cars.

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Sissyl wrote:
The US and A keeps spelling incorrectly. No surprise there. Some years ago, the country was not able to come to a conclusion as to who was to become their president, at which point the british queen, her royal highness Elizabeth II, may the lord keep her, in her wisdom, sent the previously rebellious colony a letter whereby she rightfully reinstated british rule. She specifically made it known that aluminium and its spelling was one of the changes that would be made and enforced.

and an H in herb (NSFW)

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It's easy to keep track of, it's Wond R.O.U.S.

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Vic Wertz wrote:

If Dave Prowse were truly on the dark side, he wouldn't help kids cross the street safely—he'd force-push them in front of cars.

That would be a waste of resources; if they could be turned, they would be powerful allies.

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Clark Peterson wrote:
You've got it backwards, Neil. Its "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" as you step over his lifeless recently force-choked body. YOU don't apologize to HIM. :)

Well, I'm glad someone picked up on the reference.

Kthulhu wrote:
Only on the forums of a d20-based game could this topic exceed a full page, and rapidly be closing in on a second. :(

In fairness, I've done all I can to keep it going. ;-)


Neil Spicer wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Only on the forums of a d20-based game could this topic exceed a full page, and rapidly be closing in on a second. :(
In fairness, I've done all I can to keep it going. ;-)

Typical American, ignoring the fine and outstanding efforts of his British Allies.

And Mr Vertz, if Darth Vader was all that evil, he wouldn't have scarifeced himself for his spawn. Even the embodiement of evil is entitled to a few 'quirks', shall we say?

As to Mr Warlock, well, I see you still need a chant with only five letters in. What's the matter, old chap? "You're not singing anymore" too tough for you? Even a Manchester United fan can manage that.

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Neil Spicer wrote:
Clark Peterson wrote:
You've got it backwards, Neil. Its "Apology accepted, Captain Needa" as you step over his lifeless recently force-choked body. YOU don't apologize to HIM. :)

Well, I'm glad someone picked up on the reference.

lol. It was going through my head... Needa. Needa? why do I know the name Needa...? It wasn't until I said it out loud that it sunk in and then because it didn't sound right. Once I said it, my mind filled in the deep bass and respirator breathing... :)


Just make sure all the ones that say Wonderous, go into the auto discard pile, so those of us that spell it correctly, have a better chance!

The more errors that a designer submits, means the more errors the editor has to eradicate. If a designer has 20 errors in his submission, then even if the editor is 95% efficient, one will get through. With books like Ultimate Magic and Ultimate Combat, many designers contributed, under pressure of Gen Con deadlines, many errors were made, thus many errors weren't caught. Better submissions from designers means better product going out.


Captain Brittannica wrote:
As to Mr Warlock, well, I see you still need a chant with only five letters in. What's the matter, old chap? "You're not singing anymore" too tough for you? Even a Manchester United fan can manage that.

Like I've never had my name butchered in that way before. :P

I stopped because I figured there was no need to annoy the two of us. Apparently, I was wrong. Anyway, while I may have to struggle to get the basics of grammar, you, sir, apparently need to return to school because I count six letters in that chant!

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Vic Wertz wrote:


If Dave Prowse were truly on the dark side, he wouldn't help kids cross the street safely—he'd force-push them in front of cars.

And this is why I love Vic. :)

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For those of us using International English I can give some hints if using MS Word.


  • Remove the English (non US) Dictionary from Windows.

  • Make sure to change the Keyboard editing language (Control Panel - Regional and Language Settings) to English (US). I would also personally remove the non-English (US) input device language too.

  • Select all (Ctrl-A) in any existing documents, change the language to English (US). (You can have half a document in English (US) and half in International English.)

  • Check center vs. centre, sometimes it marks them both as correct. If it does, do a Google search to check the things above.

  • Create an exclusion dictionary with International English words that you want to mark as incorrect. This is a good web page with a list of exception words: http://www.tysto.com/articles05/q1/20050324uk-us.shtml. Include the words "towards" and "amongst" in this list because they look funny to American readers.

Not so simple, but it's what I've done.

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Matt Goodall wrote:
Not so simple, but it's what I've done.

Thank you for going to the effort Matt to write all that down; much appreciated.

Best Regards
Herremann the Wise

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AdamWarnock wrote:
When you think of Ultimate Badass of Evil, you see Darth Vader and hear his voice

Close, but no cigar. When you think Ultimate Badass of Evil, you hear an Iron Lung, THEN you hear his voice. For some reason, the lack of a background respirator is absolutely essential. No pathetic wheezing, no fear.

Which makes no sense, but a facts a fact. The thought of Darth Vader wheezing like a bronchial grandmother just before assassinating minions haunted my dreams for years growing up...

huuugh pssssh, huuugh psssh...


Matthew Winn wrote:

Close, but no cigar. When you think Ultimate Badass of Evil, you hear an Iron Lung, THEN you hear his voice. For some reason, the lack of a background respirator is absolutely essential. No pathetic wheezing, no fear.

Which makes no sense, but a facts a fact. The thought of Darth Vader wheezing like a bronchial grandmother just before assassinating minions haunted my dreams for years growing up...

huuugh pssssh, huuugh psssh...

Well of course, It's part of the character after all. How foolish of me to forge-

*dies from Force Choke*

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My wife was just reading over my shoulder and asked me:

The Wife wrote:
Kind of like reading an ad in the paper saying, "Pediatrician Wanted! Wear your coat for interview." A guy decides to respond to the ad and walks into a room full of people wearing white doctors coats. He is the only one wearing a long dark trench coat with pockets stuffed with candy. So he quickly runs to his van with tinted windows and peels out.

Not quite...

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Thomas LeBlanc wrote:

My wife was just reading over my shoulder and asked me:

The Wife wrote:
Kind of like reading an ad in the paper saying, "Pediatrician Wanted! Wear your coat for interview." A guy decides to respond to the ad and walks into a room full of people wearing white doctors coats. He is the only one wearing a long dark trench coat with pockets stuffed with candy. So he quickly runs to his van with tinted windows and peels out.
Not quite...

lol

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Matt Goodall wrote:

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For those of us using International English I can give some hints if using MS Word.

That's very useful advice.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'd just like to mention that you don't need to do any of that in respect of wondrous / wonderous. The latter isn't a word in the UK so I'm guessing it isn't a word anywhere else either. (Unless those darned Aussies have been making up words again? I keep telling them they need to get their own Head of State before they can do that.)

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amethal wrote:

For the avoidance of doubt, I'd just like to mention that you don't need to do any of that in respect of wondrous / wonderous. The latter isn't a word in the UK so I'm guessing it isn't a word anywhere else either. (Unless those darned Aussies have been making up words again? I keep telling them they need to get their own Head of State before they can do that.)

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Yer mate, us ocker blokes and bonza sheila from Oz have buckleys of inventing any dinkie-die words. :-)

And yes, even though both a US spellcheck or an non-US spellcheck will pick up wonderous, I suspect that it won't stop some contestants that use international English from making this particular mistake.

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Exactly! I know I did nearly all my editing in a .txt file, which doesn't have spell check in it. If not for someone pointing out a typo I made, I might have forgotten to check it entirely. Stupid typos.

At least I do spell wondrous, bestiary and the tricky words. It's just things like nessicarry. Necissary. Neccesary? Never get that one right. ;)


Depends if you pronounce it nessi-karry, neCISSary or netjeesary. :-)


In that case, maybe what you need is a spelling bee. :)

Spelling Bee
Aura faint divination; CL 1st
Slot --; Price 6000 gp; Weight --
Description
This amber and jet bee comes to life on command and corrects all words into line with RPG Superstar spelling and grammar requirements.
Construction
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, comprehend languages; Cost 3000 gp


HerosBackpack wrote:

In that case, maybe what you need is a spelling bee. :)

Spelling Bee
Aura faint divination; CL 1st
Slot --; Price 6000 gp; Weight --
Description
This amber and jet bee comes to life on command and corrects all words into line with RPG Superstar spelling and grammar requirements.
Construction
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, comprehend languages; Cost 3000 gp

[nitpick]Is there a reason that this does not have a comma in the cost and price lines[/nitpick] At least you did not make it say --lbs or 1th and you did not make it ,; since there are no additional requirements. Also thanks for the advice Neil I did not notice this before.


Because the template provided in the round one rules doesn't have commas in cost and price, and I was in a hurry?

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HerosBackpack wrote:
Because the template provided in the round one rules doesn't have commas in cost and price

BTW, that's because the ZZ in the wondrous item template isn't a number. If you were to put a number there (like for an item submission), you'd add the comma separators (which you can see is done in the Core Rulebook, and most American publications).


Fair enough.

*makes a note*

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