Plural for Magus

[Ponswick]

What is the plural for magus? Magusi? Maguses? Magus'? I can't figure it out.

[Hitdice]

Magi

[Grick]

Ponswick wrote:

What is the plural for magus? Magusi? Maguses? Magus'? I can't figure it out.

Magi.

[Kydeem de'Morcaine]

what is the plural possesive for Magus?

[mplindustries]

Ponswick wrote:

What is the plural for magus? Magusi? Maguses? Magus'? I can't figure it out.

Magi

Unless the developers intended to invent a new word completely, in which case it could be Maguses.

Kydeem de'Morcaine wrote:

what is the plural possesive for Magus?

Magi's

Or, in the second case, Maguses'

[Stubs McKenzie]

Kydeem de'Morcaine wrote:

what is the plural possesive for Magus?

My Preciousssssss! ? =P

[FireclawDrake]

The plural possessive would be Magorum, if you were to use the latin.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

Maggy. ;-)

[Hitdice]

Fine Fireclaw, if you want to get classical, gimme the ablative :P

[Gorbacz]

STABCASTYS

[Molech]

Plural form is Gishes.

Since the '80s, Bob has played Gishes everytime we start a new campaign; I wish he would just play fighters OR wizards.

[Matthew Morris]

They're only Maguses if they're a centaur/pegasus hybrid race playing the class.

[Kydeem de'Morcaine]

What if you're talking about something owned by several separate groups made up of several induhvidual magus who are all centaur/pegasus hybrids that speak latin with an Aussie accent?

[seekerofshadowlight]

Stabs Molech in the eye

[W E Ray]

LOL

[GM Fireclaw]

Hitdice wrote:

Fine Fireclaw, if you want to get classical, gimme the ablative :P

Mago/Magos (sing/plural). WHAT UP ;)

[BigNorseWolf]

Magus just basically means wise person.

Wise person = wise guy.

So i suppose that we refer to a group of maguses as a kvetch

[Silent Saturn]

I keep hearing the term "gish"-- what does it mean?

On topic:

One magus, Two magi

One magus's scimitar, Two magi's scimitars

I like the idea of "a kvetch of magi".

[seekerofshadowlight]

Stabs Silent Saturn in the eye

[seekerofshadowlight]

Stabs W E Ray in the eye and lights him on fire

[W E Ray]

In the old days there was the greatest "humanoid" monster ever -- the Githyanki. It's the famous cover monster of the 1981 Fiend Folio. Anyway, the Githyanki had "lieutenants" that were called "Gish" -- they were fighter-mages.

So the nickname "Gish" refers to any class that is a mix of fighter and mage: Duskblade, Hexblade, Mage-Blade, Magus, etc., etc.

Often, "Gish" is used as a pejorative by the many gamers who despise Ftr/Wiz combos.

Though I don't like gish classes, I've never used "Gish" as a pejorative.

Many gamers use the term "gish" instead of "magus" or any of the other gish classes from the past. Paizo can shout it from the mountaintops that it's a "Magus" all they want but sorry, b!&#&es, it's a "Gish." It's always gonna be a "Gish."

[W E Ray]

Ray AM immune Fire!

*Ow, my eye!

[seekerofshadowlight]

Uses acid, frost, and the stuff in the back of the fridge just to be sure

[Silent Saturn]

So do bards and inquisitors count as gishes? They sound like they do.

Also, what did I do to deserve a poke in the eye?

[Chuck Wright]

Silent Saturn wrote:

So do bards and inquisitors count as gishes? They sound like they do.

Also, what did I do to deserve a poke in the eye?

I think seeker just hates grammar. ;)

[Eluhil]

W E Ray wrote:

In the old days there was the greatest "humanoid" monster ever -- the Githyanki. It's the famous cover monster of the 1981 Fiend Folio. Anyway, the Githyanki had "lieutenants" that were called "Gish" -- they were fighter-mages.

So the nickname "Gish" refers to any class that is a mix of fighter and mage: Duskblade, Hexblade, Mage-Blade, Magus, etc., etc.

Often, "Gish" is used as a pejorative by the many gamers who despise Ftr/Wiz combos.

Though I don't like gish classes, I've never used "Gish" as a pejorative.

Many gamers use the term "gish" instead of "magus" or any of the other gish classes from the past. Paizo can shout it from the mountaintops that it's a "Magus" all they want but sorry, b*@~*es, it's a "Gish." It's always gonna be a "Gish."

I'm new enough to gaming that that description was pretty much informative to the standards of an encyclopedia, or at least wikipedia, okay maybe TVTropes. In any case, thanks.

[BigNorseWolf]

Alchemist: Explosion of alchemists

Cavalier: Brigade

Oracle: Temple

Summoner: Circle

Witch: Coven

Barbarian: Mosh

Bard: Choir

Cleric: Cloister

Fighter: Brawl

Monk: Temple

Paladin: Pulpit

Ranger: Riot

Rogue: Skulk

Sorcerer: ??? The witches stole their coven. A charm (like finches)

Wizard: College

[Silent Saturn]

I would've said a Crusade of Paladins myself, and a Horde of Barbarians. Maybe a Quiver of Rangers? Also you forgot Inquisitors. An Inquisition?

If Oracles and Monks can share Temple, Sorcerors and Witches can share Covens. Why not?

[cattoy]

I'm pretty it's a Horde of Barbarians.

Also: Crusade of Paladins, Battery of Gunslingers and Butsudan of Samurai.

In the western hemisphere it is acceptable to use a Cackle of Witches.

Note: There is no collective noun for Ranger. Or Ninja.

[Wolf Munroe]

cattoy wrote:

Note: There is no collective noun for Ranger. Or Ninja.

One riot, one ranger.

Multiple rangers would be a full-blown revolution.

Ninjas exist in clans, but due to the recent breakthroughs in the Law of Convervation of Ninjitsu (aka Inverse Ninja Theory), it's discouraged for more than one ninja to congregate in one place. Unless they're enemy ninjas, then they should all group up and dress alike.

[LazarX]

Wolf Munroe wrote:

cattoy wrote:

Note: There is no collective noun for Ranger. Or Ninja.

One riot, one ranger.

Multiple rangers would be a full-blown revolution.

Multiple Paladins on Crusade are a cause for panic.

[DreamAtelier]

Multiple Paladins on Crusade are the reason I'm no longer allowed to play paladins, or any other sort of zealot character.

Actually, I'm no longer allowed to play a character who has faith because of that. It makes the rest of the table uncomfortable.

[Matthew Morris]

cattoy wrote:

Note: There is no collective noun for Ranger. Or Ninja.

I thought a group of rangers (more than 5) was called a Saban, or the eastern term Sentai? *ducks*

[karkon]

Magagi? (magagie joke from old simpsons)

[seekerofshadowlight]

Stabs Silent Saturn in the eye and lights them on fire, freezes the ashes, dips them in acid and scatters them across the great beyond

[Cheapy]

It's stabracadabras.

[seekerofshadowlight]

Does not stab cheapy in the eye

[W E Ray]

Silent Saturn wrote:

So do bards and inquisitors count as gishes?

Sorry, "Mage" was the abbreviation for "Magic-User" back in the day, which later became "Wizard." Nowadays there are two Classes, "Wizard" and "Sorcerer," not just one.

So a "Gish" is combo Fighter-Wizard or combo Fighter-Sorcerer.

Inquisitor could never work because it is a Divine caster, not Arcane. "Witch" may have been a better question.

I don't think anyone would ever consider Witch a Gish because the Fluff behind the Class is decidedly not the Fluff behind Gish which is, I'm too dumb to be just a Fighter or just a Wizard. I wanna be BOTH! That way I'm finally cool and am not a loser anymore.

Bard is a much closer Gish Class.

But I'd still say "No." In d20 System terms, the Bard has plenty of "neither Fighter nor Mage" Special abilities, Bardic Music and Bardic Lore, for example. And its Fluff is more a I'm too dumb to be any one Class so I have to try to be all of them -- kinda like a Jack-of-all-Trades, which includes Rogue and a bit of Cleric Divine spells (Cure .... Wounds).

So the Bard is a Fighter-Rogue-Mage, not a Fighter-Mage.

Not a Gish.

(Good question, though!)

[W E Ray]

Cheapy wrote:

It's stabracadabras.

As I've said many times before on the Boards, Stabracadabra is the Prestige Class for Gish.

So,... Three Gishes walk into a bar to order a mug of Zima (they're elves, of course) and the Bartender asks if none of them are cool enough to be Stabracadabras yet.

[Gunslingermage]

In 1st ed. a Bard was a Fighter Thief that had to learn druidic magic just to become a bard.

So not a gish.

[ShadowcatX]

W. E.'s interpretation is not necessarilly true for everyone. In general, any build that mixes melee combat with arcane casting can be considered a gish (though some are more successful than others).

Nor were the gish "too stupid to be a fighter or a wizard" they were gifted enough to excell in both classes. IIRC they were generally level 7 - 9 in both classes, hardly a failure at either one. And if they had a problem with you that neither their wizardry nor their blade skill could solve they'd be more than happy to let the red dragon on which they were riding do the job for them.

[Cheapy]

W E Ray wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

It's stabracadabras.

As I've said many times before on the Boards, Stabracadabra is the Prestige Class for Gish.

So,... Three Gishes walk into a bar to order a mug of Zima (they're elves, of course) and the Bartender asks if none of them are cool enough to be Stabracadabras yet.

So to help the youngin's out, the base pokemon gish evolves into stabracadabra after it gains enough levels.

[W E Ray]

While Shadowcat is technically correct -- everything I said is correct in spirit.

NOTE: I've been trying to define Gish in d20 System terms -- back in the day Gishes were teh awesomeness. (If you were an elf,... were allowed to roll your Ability scores without anyone watching ;)... and actually survived beyond, say, 5th level.

Shadow Cat wrote:

Nor were Gish...

(my bold)

[ShadowcatX]

W.E. If you'll notice I actually wrote "Nor were the gish. . ." not "Nor were gish. . ." I'm not missing out on refering to them as a plural, I'm refering to all of them as a single collective.

But yes, the low levels, for a generic gish build, sucked. In AD&D however, with player's options, you could draw up a very effective Gish build out of the bard class (so I've been told, I never actually used the player's option book myself).

Alternatively, you have my favorite gish build, the dragonkings of athas, who despite never taking a level of fighter, or any other melee class would happily brawl with any fighter class.

[W E Ray]

Ah, Darksun -- fun were the 90s.

[Silak]

Take it from someone who has studdied Latin, 'Magus' is Latinate for a wizard, sorcerer or a wize or learned man, as in the 'Three Magi' of the Christmas story. 'Magi' is the proper plural, as previously stated by Hitdice and others. If you want to on put a feminine spin on it, it would be Maga or Magina, plural Magae or Maginae.

[LazarX]

Silent Saturn wrote:

So do bards and inquisitors count as gishes? They sound like they do.

Also, what did I do to deserve a poke in the eye?

No. They don't. because unlike the original gishes, they don't have command of Wizard spells. That's what makes a gish, a fighter with the full power of arcane offensive magic.

[Gisher]

Did someone call me?

[Sophismata]

LazarX wrote:

Silent Saturn wrote:

So do bards and inquisitors count as gishes? They sound like they do.

Also, what did I do to deserve a poke in the eye?

No. They don't. because unlike the original gishes, they don't have command of Wizard spells. That's what makes a gish, a fighter with the full power of arcane offensive magic.

Actually I'd say the defensive magic is more key. It's one thing to be a fighting man. It's another thing to be an invisible, hasted, flying, greater invisible engine of death, wielding a black blade of disaster.

[LazarX]

Sophismata wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Silent Saturn wrote:

So do bards and inquisitors count as gishes? They sound like they do.

Also, what did I do to deserve a poke in the eye?

No. They don't. because unlike the original gishes, they don't have command of Wizard spells. That's what makes a gish, a fighter with the full power of arcane offensive magic.

Actually I'd say the defensive magic is more key. It's one thing to be a fighting man. It's another thing to be an invisible, hasted, flying, greater invisible engine of death, wielding a black blade of disaster.

And you pretty much need wizard magic to do that. Bard/Inquisitor doesn't cut the mustard.